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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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Some interesting takes on here. Miles has been good in the air this year. He actually has improved his hold up play as well. The problem has been once he gains control of the ball he is turning it over too easily so decision making needs to improve. He also needs to work on finding space in the box to become more of a goal scoring threat1
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He’s mainly come off the bench this season. When he’s played it’s been in Kelman’s place, who also hasn’t impressed in every appearance and has had fewer shots at goal dispute playing more minutes.kimbo said:
No I don’t. It is a mystery to me why he is picked TBH. It’s the crowd that give him more rope than othersAthletico Charlton said:
Sorry, you think Nathan Jones picks players based on their family history? Just, No.kimbo said:If his surname was not Leaburn he wouldn’t be in the team. He isn’t good enough,fed up pf his lacklustre performance. It’s a shame as pre injury he was good so do feel for him. But should be dropped. Sorry!
That only leaves Olaofe as the alternative, but there must be a reason he rarely starts - I assume he’s seen more as competition for TC.0 -
But when he gets physical he gets penalised by the ref 9 times out of 10. Poor sod can't win.Sword65pf said:
With all due respect for all his size miles isn’t physical enough so if that’s why you would pick him I don’t see the point. Might aswell start Tanto he’s possibly more physical and quicker. Basically miles needs to do better.NabySarr said:
Be interesting to see if he starts at Wrexham after 45 minutes on Saturday and 82 last night. I think Jones will want to start him, especially because Wrexham are one of the more physical opponents we will face this season, but 2.5 games in a week is a risk with LeaburnDamoNorthStand said:Need to manage him this year to try and get through the season broadly injury free. That would be massive for him, and would really allow him to kick on next season. I am sure the succession of thigh / hamstring injuries will be on his mind, but his overall sharpness does seem to be coming on now, and his pace certainly seems better.3 -
The lad is adapting to Championship level football and coming up against seasoned Championship player opposition. Have no complaints so far particularly as he has had far fewer minutes than Kelman and TC so far this season (at least I believe that is the case).Leaburn is a constant threat and more difficult to handle than Kelman imho - Leaburn’s coaching will need to have some focus on how to handle the uptick in oppo defensive capabilities and tricks of the trade. Use body strength, sure, don’t appear to grapple so obviously as he does etc. It will all come in time and he has all the attributes needed to be a top quality CF. The more minutes he gets the better he will become.We are doing great as a team and us fans will need to remain patient with the younger players in the squad, it is not their fault that they may have been thrown in at age 16-18 which gives us a false impression of ‘how developed’ they are just because they have had quite a large number of appearances to date.6
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I know what you’re saying, so he then needs to be more clever, sometimes he gets into a scrap when it’s not needed. He’s young still let’s not forget but needs to learn fast if he’s to fulfill any potential.aliwibble said:
But when he gets physical he gets penalised by the ref 9 times out of 10. Poor sod can't win.Sword65pf said:
With all due respect for all his size miles isn’t physical enough so if that’s why you would pick him I don’t see the point. Might aswell start Tanto he’s possibly more physical and quicker. Basically miles needs to do better.NabySarr said:
Be interesting to see if he starts at Wrexham after 45 minutes on Saturday and 82 last night. I think Jones will want to start him, especially because Wrexham are one of the more physical opponents we will face this season, but 2.5 games in a week is a risk with LeaburnDamoNorthStand said:Need to manage him this year to try and get through the season broadly injury free. That would be massive for him, and would really allow him to kick on next season. I am sure the succession of thigh / hamstring injuries will be on his mind, but his overall sharpness does seem to be coming on now, and his pace certainly seems better.1 -
In terms of aerial duel success he is one of the best strikers in the championship statistically. He’s also very good at heading the ball clear when we are defending set pieces. I think both of these will be very useful against a team like WrexhamSword65pf said:
With all due respect for all his size miles isn’t physical enough so if that’s why you would pick him I don’t see the point. Might aswell start Tanto he’s possibly more physical and quicker. Basically miles needs to do better.NabySarr said:
Be interesting to see if he starts at Wrexham after 45 minutes on Saturday and 82 last night. I think Jones will want to start him, especially because Wrexham are one of the more physical opponents we will face this season, but 2.5 games in a week is a risk with LeaburnDamoNorthStand said:Need to manage him this year to try and get through the season broadly injury free. That would be massive for him, and would really allow him to kick on next season. I am sure the succession of thigh / hamstring injuries will be on his mind, but his overall sharpness does seem to be coming on now, and his pace certainly seems better.5 -
I’d say the crowd almost give him less rope. If Leaburn and TC make a mistake I hear a lot more displeasure from the fans, than with other players.kimbo said:
No I don’t. It is a mystery to me why he is picked TBH. It’s the crowd that give him more rope than othersHi Athletico Charlton said:
Sorry, you think Nathan Jones picks players based on their family history? Just, No.kimbo said:If his surname was not Leaburn he wouldn’t be in the team. He isn’t good enough,fed up pf his lacklustre performance. It’s a shame as pre injury he was good so do feel for him. But should be dropped. Sorry!Quite often it’s not even their fault either, but people just want to get on their backs. Some people shouting at Leaburn yesterday for not getting on long balls when they weren’t even kicked near him, that’s the passer’s fault not his. It’s worse for TC but definitely hearing it with Leaburn too6 -
Both teams were very solid at CB, especially to the aerial stuff. High balls pumped down the pitch were meat and drink to both defences. And it was noticeable how good they were at not giving away fouls on the opposition No 9 either, Jones gave away one foul all game, while Phillips gave away none.RC_CAFC said:I think a lot of the contrasting views here can be right. Miles didn't have his best game last night but as others have said he was up against 3 fantastic Championship defenders.
Other than the header for the penalty, Miles' most dangerous play was when he ran on to Fullah's wonderful pass, that's the side of his game we need to use more.3 -
There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.12
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Sorry, I'm confused. You said "if his surname was not Leaburn he wouldn't be in the team". But you also don't think Jones is picking him because of his family history? So now Jones is picking him because of the crowd?kimbo said:
No I don’t. It is a mystery to me why he is picked TBH. It’s the crowd that give him more rope than othersHi Athletico Charlton said:
Sorry, you think Nathan Jones picks players based on their family history? Just, No.kimbo said:If his surname was not Leaburn he wouldn’t be in the team. He isn’t good enough,fed up pf his lacklustre performance. It’s a shame as pre injury he was good so do feel for him. But should be dropped. Sorry!
I personally think Jones is a bit more independent and stubborn that that.3 -
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Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.Disagree, I think it goes the other way and that he's been given a lot more patience with the supporters because of his surname.He's not a bad footballer either I would add.0
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He’s been good this season in the target man role, has a lot more to his game than just being a target man too. But last night had the air of iwelumo about it, mistimed jumps and not getting his positioning right. It happens, we move on and he wasn’t the only one to have a terrible first 45 mins last night. 21 years old and able to have the shit kicked out of him by championship defenders and still have an impact is no mean feat.1
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I think a lot of the long balls to him last night were quite wayward. Him having to cover decent distance and then compete for the header makes things much harder. I like Kaminski but his kicking is not greatDiebythesword said:He’s been good this season in the target man role, has a lot more to his game than just being a target man too. But last night had the air of iwelumo about it, mistimed jumps and not getting his positioning right. It happens, we move on and he wasn’t the only one to have a terrible first 45 mins last night. 21 years old and able to have the shit kicked out of him by championship defenders and still have an impact is no mean feat.1 -
And the headed goal against Ipswich.Chunes said:
It was Leaburn's header in the box that lead to the penalty.Arthur_Trudgill said:
I'm surprised by that stat tbh; it would be good if the people/companies that compile those could also put out a short video reel showing the events included in the stats. Otherwise it is hard to tell how effective those 12 won headers were. You'd think with AI this would be quite doable.fenaddick said:
Miles won 12/16 aerial duels last night, I don’t think he really could have won more headers when up against 3 big CBsArthur_Trudgill said:If we could get Lloyd Jones to teach Miles how to win more headers, it would give us a dangerous front line.
But last night's tactic of long balls to Miles lost us possession too many times.
At any rate, I want Miles to do well, I much prefer him with the ball at his feet though. Obviously NJ must have had a reason for last night's tactics, but for much of the match, long balls to the forwards seem ineffective.
I'm not saying he cannot sometimes head a ball. It's more whether his heading technique could be improved, and whether we are using him at his most potent.
I find him mesmerising at times, but at other times NJ's game plan does not suit him.0 -
Prime Carl Leaburn ended up mostly using his chest/stomach to hold the ball up. He was brilliant at this as super Clive and Morts would testify.0
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He was never pacey, but has definitely lost some pace since the injury.1
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Frustrating thing with Leaburn is that he tries and plays like a 5’9 winger not a 6’7 target man. If he put on more muscle and learnt how to hold the ball better he would comfortably be the best forward at the club because all the stuff he shouldn’t be good at which you would expect with his frame like his footwork and skill and even his pace for someone of his size is great. Needs to accept what he is and start playing to what should be his strengths2
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Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.
Is it dislike or attempt at balance?
There's just as many people that wont accept any sort of criticism of him - theres been all sorts of reasons for a poor Leaburn performance up to and including the weather - for some he's still that player that burst into the team and was going to be worth 20mil, whether he bangs in a hatty or stands still in the centre circle picking his nose - injury has set him back clearly, hes still a talent and easily championship on his day but the manner in which he's revered is just a tad excessive, especially when compared to other players.
Theres the academy tag, which elevates a player and divides opinion, see also TC and of course, we'll be seeing the same "Love/ Hate" (it isnt but ya know) relationship with Fullah too. People cant be measured in their opinions of the youth to first team. Compare comments from those threads to those of Kelman etc. and you'll likely find plenty of double standards.
Lets look at Zach Mitchell, a player hardly known to many but was often spoken up as being the next one off the production line, a few cameo appearances and decent loan and yeah hes looking good. Start of this summer and almost everyone (myself included) are putting him on the bench in our fantasy match day squads - based on forum opinion that he's "proper Mustard" and not much else, but a meh preseason where he looks far from the finished article and he's currently on loan unable to get a game in Scotland.
The hype around some of them is astronomical that when they dont live up to it on the pitch, that turns into frustration, far from "hate"1 -
Don’t necessarily agree with this I’d say more an undercurrent of expectancy without trying to put too much pressure on him due to who he is. I think any potential dislike would be down to him not being as good as he should be on any given day,because he obviously has a lot of talent. so in fact more disappointment than dislike. I’ve never heard anyone in the crowd comment on anything other than performance with Miles.Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.1 -
There have been a lot of comments about his 'body language', saying things like: 'He obviously doesn't want to be here' - which to my mind, must stem from an undercurrent, because I can't see they're justified in reality.Sword65pf said:
Don’t necessarily agree with this I’d say more an undercurrent of expectancy without trying to put too much pressure on him due to who he is. I think any potential dislike would be down to him not being as good as he should be on any given day,because he obviously has a lot of talent. so in fact more disappointment than dislike. I’ve never heard anyone in the crowd comment on anything other than performance with Miles.Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.
Also, last season he got stick for not winning his headers - this was while he was in the top 5 in League One for aerial duels, despite missing four months of the season. That's another criticism not justified in reality.
People also say he can't press. And yet he's top of the Championship for winning the possession in the final 3rd.
@ElfsborgAddick said he gets a lot more patience because he's Carl's son. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that he needs patience to watch. I think he contributes well for a 21-year-old striker.10 -
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I’ve seen/heard people calling both him and TC lazy. Which to me seems absolutely mental, especially with TC who probably covers more ground than most championship forwardsChunes said:
There have been a lot of comments about his 'body language', saying things like: 'He obviously doesn't want to be here' - which to my mind, must stem from an undercurrent, because I can't see they're justified in reality.Sword65pf said:
Don’t necessarily agree with this I’d say more an undercurrent of expectancy without trying to put too much pressure on him due to who he is. I think any potential dislike would be down to him not being as good as he should be on any given day,because he obviously has a lot of talent. so in fact more disappointment than dislike. I’ve never heard anyone in the crowd comment on anything other than performance with Miles.Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.
Also, last season he got stick for not winning his headers - this was while he was in the top 5 in League One for aerial duels, despite missing four months of the season. That's another criticism not justified in reality.
People also say he can't press. And yet he's top of the Championship for winning the possession in the final 3rd.
@ElfsborgAddick said he gets a lot more patience because he's Carl's son. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that he needs patience to watch. I think he contributes well for a 21-year-old striker.8 -
Polarising opinion, its in his blood3
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Yeah I don’t subscribe to the body language thing at all, again I think stats are bollox to be honest just my opinion of course, but for example a stat saying he’s won the duel doesn’t necessarily mean the ball has been beneficial to us or gone to one of our players. Again I see him running and closing down enough NJ wouldn’t accept him not doing these things. For me it’s just about upping the quality levels of everything he does which there is loads of time to do. But as I said previously I don’t think it’s dislike as all your examples are about performance.Chunes said:
There have been a lot of comments about his 'body language', saying things like: 'He obviously doesn't want to be here' - which to my mind, must stem from an undercurrent, because I can't see they're justified in reality.Sword65pf said:
Don’t necessarily agree with this I’d say more an undercurrent of expectancy without trying to put too much pressure on him due to who he is. I think any potential dislike would be down to him not being as good as he should be on any given day,because he obviously has a lot of talent. so in fact more disappointment than dislike. I’ve never heard anyone in the crowd comment on anything other than performance with Miles.Chunes said:There's always been this weird undercurrent of dislike for Leaburn that I have never understood.
Also, last season he got stick for not winning his headers - this was while he was in the top 5 in League One for aerial duels, despite missing four months of the season. That's another criticism not justified in reality.
People also say he can't press. And yet he's top of the Championship for winning the possession in the final 3rd.
@ElfsborgAddick said he gets a lot more patience because he's Carl's son. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find that he needs patience to watch. I think he contributes well for a 21-year-old striker.1 -
I feel sorry for Miles as we all know he is still very young and alot of our fanbase have built him up into a supposed £10m player. This isnt meant in a critical way at all but since he came back from the last injury he has been a shadow of the player he was, hopefully he gets back to where he was as we all want him to do well but atm I think it is stretching it a bit to claim he is a player other teams would be falling over themselves to sign0
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It is also worth remembering that whether his aerial duels are effective or not aren't just down to him. The ball to him and anyone getting on the end of it arent at all or soley really up to him. I think he does a good job winning his fair share of headers and being physical with defenders. He has mostly been more effective than any striker playing up against Jones. A defender sometimes overpowering him isn't evidence that he isn't strong enough whilst at the same time completely ignoring when he is at other times bouncing defenders out of the way. He can't possibly be strong enough to hold them off every time and sometimes going down easier than he needs to will win a free kick in a dangerous position and this is probably to be encouraged rather than trying to manfully stay on his feet all the time.
Ever since he has been playing in our first team, winning headers and battling with defenders was never his strongest point but I pesonally think he has improved that a lot, whilst retaining the other skills that make him a great player.
It's fair to say Miles could score more, but that can be levelled at all of our forwards and most all who play in the football league. And how many chances does he get? Not many! Miles has the potential to be able to score almost any sort of goal, headers, instinctive finishes and using pace and skill to create soemthing on his own.
What I do find mad was an earlier comment along the lines of "he has to score that chance". When that chance is a header from a curling cross, 12 yards out from goal whilst tussling with a defender. It is absolute madness to give that criticism to that chance. What is the realistic probability of that sort of chance being scored even by the best strikers in the world? 5% maybe for the absolute best? maybe a 15% chance of it even being on target? Yet its a useless bit of pundity that is just thrown in as a critiscism and just isn't based in reality. Those are the types of criticims of players that get other fans annoyed.
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