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Sheffield Wednesday - players and staff paid late 2 months in a row (p7)

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  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,435
    golfaddick said:
    There must come a time very soon that the EFL make a decision. Should SW be allowed to start the season knowing that players aren't being paid, that they can't sign players (with some leaving because they can "hand in their notice") and that they might have to play youngsters who obviously wont be up standard.  Better they don't start the season than play for 2 months & then collapse, with any points being expunged. 

    Also....is a points deduction the next step or has the transfer embargo made that null & void (double jeopardy).
    There is zero chance the EFL don't let Sheffield Wednesday start the season. Zero. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 17
    I think it was predictable this takeover would fall through. Chansiri is at one end of it. They need to get rid of this bloke but we should all support them in their struggle even if it is just vocally. We know what it is like to have bad owners and we are all football fans and shouldn't wish that on anyone.

    The funny thing about football fans is we tend to dislike people who are most like us due to the tribal nature of the game.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,721
    edited July 17
    I wouldn’t want any club to fold ( Palace aside ) but support them in their struggle . Hell no . 
    I can’t forgive their scummy fans for attacking woman and children ( including my 12 years old son) when we left the ground after beating them 1-0 in 2012 . 
    Fuck em.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,612
    golfaddick said:
    There must come a time very soon that the EFL make a decision. Should SW be allowed to start the season knowing that players aren't being paid, that they can't sign players (with some leaving because they can "hand in their notice") and that they might have to play youngsters who obviously wont be up standard.  Better they don't start the season than play for 2 months & then collapse, with any points being expunged. 

    Also....is a points deduction the next step or has the transfer embargo made that null & void (double jeopardy).
    The EFL will probably rightly so go right to the wire to allow Wednesday time to see if a sale is going to be made, which it will. A new owner clears the debts and the embargo is lifted. The big problem for both Wednesday and The EFL is that there is now a couple of days more than three weeks until the season. Quite how a sale can be agreed, DD completed and the relevant checks all made in this timeframe is I would say extremely doubtful. Would a prospective buyer offer guarantees over finances with no 100% certainty of everything going to plan ? I can’t see it. Personally I think The EFL will stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la in the desperate hope that it all comes together in time. Even if it doesn’t I think they’ll allow SW to start the season. 
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    Wasn’t there a club in the last 10 years or so that had no other option of fulfilling fixtures other than using youth players so young, they had to have have matches rearranged because of youngsters welfare issues?

  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,272
    golfaddick said:
    There must come a time very soon that the EFL make a decision. Should SW be allowed to start the season knowing that players aren't being paid, that they can't sign players (with some leaving because they can "hand in their notice") and that they might have to play youngsters who obviously wont be up standard.  Better they don't start the season than play for 2 months & then collapse, with any points being expunged. 

    Also....is a points deduction the next step or has the transfer embargo made that null & void (double jeopardy).
    6 handed in their notice.  All have now been paid in full from the sale of Gassama so none can now walk away.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,023
    paulbaconsarnie said:
    Wasn’t there a club in the last 10 years or so that had no other option of fulfilling fixtures other than using youth players so young, they had to have have matches rearranged because of youngsters welfare issues?

    Bolton. And then once their takeover was done a lot of sides were unhappy about having to play a far stronger Bolton side than early doors against their academy. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,015
    paulbaconsarnie said:
    Wasn’t there a club in the last 10 years or so that had no other option of fulfilling fixtures other than using youth players so young, they had to have have matches rearranged because of youngsters welfare issues?

    Blackpool under Riga possibly.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,611
    MarcusH26 said:
    paulbaconsarnie said:
    Wasn’t there a club in the last 10 years or so that had no other option of fulfilling fixtures other than using youth players so young, they had to have have matches rearranged because of youngsters welfare issues?

    Bolton. And then once their takeover was done a lot of sides were unhappy about having to play a far stronger Bolton side than early doors against their academy. 
    And that is my issue. The integrity of tte competition. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    rChampionship - The good news just cant stop for Sheffield Wednesday fans - the North Stand of Hillsborough wont potentially be signed off as safe for use tomorrow with the club having promised to start work on the stand in June
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,612
    Wednesday fans are expecting it to be closed after the safety meeting tomorrow.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,966
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,612
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Talk of relocating Wednesday fans who use the North Stand to be relocated to the SW upper where currently away fans are located. Might mean no away fans at games until other arrangements an be made.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,023
    Didn't Birmingham play a good chunk of the season before Knighthead took over with part of St Andrews closed for safety reasons? 
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Talk of relocating Wednesday fans who use the North Stand to be relocated to the SW upper where currently away fans are located. Might mean no away fans at games until other arrangements an be made.
    They are not allowed to do this, EFL rules mean a certain % of the ground has to be for away fans
  • Addickofkent
    Addickofkent Posts: 24
    edited July 17
    I would not want to see any club be mismanaged like we have....... but the massives could be the only exception. (other than palarse and millshit) these muppets get everything they deserve. Do I want to see them fold as a club?..... Absolutely not! They deserve everything they get including relegation. I know alot of people from Yorkshire and these cnuts are a different breed. Suffering will be good for them 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Hillsborough holds about 35k, so even with that stand closed it'd still be 26k.

    Given how much of a mess they are, and their hatred towards the owner, i can't imagine they've had tons of ST holders rushing to renew, so surely 26k would be enough for them?
  • DyerConsequences
    DyerConsequences Posts: 2,620
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Hillsborough holds about 35k, so even with that stand closed it'd still be 26k.

    Given how much of a mess they are, and their hatred towards the owner, i can't imagine they've had tons of ST holders rushing to renew, so surely 26k would be enough for them?
    26,636 was their average last season. So they'd be selling out most weeks probably.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    DyerConsequences said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Hillsborough holds about 35k, so even with that stand closed it'd still be 26k.

    Given how much of a mess they are, and their hatred towards the owner, i can't imagine they've had tons of ST holders rushing to renew, so surely 26k would be enough for them?
    26,636 was their average last season. So they'd be selling out most weeks probably.
    That was before their plight became even worse, players weren't paid, half the team left and they were given a transfer embargo.

    They'll still have decent support, but i don't think all of that will have everyone rushing to renew so i'm certain their attendances will drop.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,612
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    fenaddick said:
    That stand holds 9k so that’s another financial hit, would assume there are STs in there too 
    Talk of relocating Wednesday fans who use the North Stand to be relocated to the SW upper where currently away fans are located. Might mean no away fans at games until other arrangements an be made.
    They are not allowed to do this, EFL rules mean a certain % of the ground has to be for away fans
    The Police can ask for a rule dispensation if they consider segregation a safety concern. 
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    Let's be honest if the stand is even a slight issue there's no way it'll be signed off. I can't imagine any safety advisor is going to take the risk and put their name to it, especially given the history of fan safety at Hillsborough.

    More good news for Chansiri though is apparently if he relocates fans, then given the stand in question is along the side of the pitch, he will have to refund fans the difference if they're moved to a cheaper area. Not what a man with funding issues wants to hear.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Michael Smith and Josh Windass have left Sheff Wed by mutual consent.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,023
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Michael Smith and Josh Windass have left Sheff Wed by mutual consent.
    Would guess Smith will go to one of the Yorkshire L1 clubs
     
    Windass was linked to Brazil and MLS last season which was slightly weird but I'd suspect he'll have a good chunk of the champ interested in him 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    Saw a post on Owls talk that with the players they lost this summer they:

    - have lost 80% of the goals and 75% of assists from last season

    - have just 11 goals and 11 assists from last season still at the club

    - have just 6 players left who registered a Championship goal or assist last season

  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    This of course does beg the question, with a lot of senior players now leaving, club under a transfer embargo and part of the stadium likely to be condemned, why would anyone buy them?

    Surely with relegation looking almost certain and a probable points deduction not far away, wouldn't any buyer just wait for them to go into administration?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,612
    Serious question because I genuinely don’t know. What grounds are there for points to be deducted.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Serious question because I genuinely don’t know. What grounds are there for points to be deducted.
    Continual breaches over time such as not paying players, not paying HMRC. Similar stuff to when Reading were deducted points.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,794
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Saw a post on Owls talk that with the players they lost this summer they:

    - have lost 80% of the goals and 75% of assists from last season

    - have just 11 goals and 11 assists from last season still at the club

    - have just 6 players left who registered a Championship goal or assist last season

    Im no mathematician, but if they’ve have 11 goals and 11 assists left from last season;

    surely the percentage of the goals and the percentage of the assists left from last season would also be the same figure and not 80 and 75 as you mention? 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,827
    Some goals don’t have assists 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,956
    paulsturgess said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Saw a post on Owls talk that with the players they lost this summer they:

    - have lost 80% of the goals and 75% of assists from last season

    - have just 11 goals and 11 assists from last season still at the club

    - have just 6 players left who registered a Championship goal or assist last season

    Im no mathematician, but if they’ve have 11 goals and 11 assists left from last season;

    surely the percentage of the goals and the percentage of the assists left from last season would also be the same figure and not 80 and 75 as you mention? 
    I'd assume that a proportion of their goals didnt have an assist, eg scoring from a dodgy backpass or goalkeeping error

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