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Sheffield Wednesday - Into Administration (p44)
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So all of those things have already taken place but no points deduction ?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Continual breaches over time such as not paying players, not paying HMRC. Similar stuff to when Reading were deducted points.ShootersHillGuru said:Serious question because I genuinely don’t know. What grounds are there for points to be deducted.0 -
Clearly not! 😂paulsturgess said:
Im no mathematician, but if they’ve have 11 goals and 11 assists left from last season;Chris_from_Sidcup said:Saw a post on Owls talk that with the players they lost this summer they:- have lost 80% of the goals and 75% of assists from last season
- have just 11 goals and 11 assists from last season still at the club
- have just 6 players left who registered a Championship goal or assist last season
surely the percentage of the goals and the percentage of the assists left from last season would also be the same figure and not 80 and 75 as you mention?
If they have 11 goals left and lost 80% from last year, that suggests they had 55 goals last year and have lost 44.
If they have 11 assists left and lost 75% from last year, that suggests they had 44 assists last year and have lost 33.
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I think they will eventually. They've been given an embargo, but i think if it continues then it'll be points deductions next. When Reading were deducted points it wasn't straight away.ShootersHillGuru said:
So all of those things have already taken place but no points deduction ?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Continual breaches over time such as not paying players, not paying HMRC. Similar stuff to when Reading were deducted points.ShootersHillGuru said:Serious question because I genuinely don’t know. What grounds are there for points to be deducted.1 -
Out of interest, if they are unable to fulfill their fixtures and get kicked out, do only two teams get relegated or is it the three lowest teams still?0
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Can't see it happening. After Bury that would have to be an absolute last resort. They're too big a club to get kicked out, the EFL will keep kicking it down the road like they did with Reading with points deductions the most likely punishments until the club changes hands.AberystwythAddick said:Out of interest, if they are unable to fulfill their fixtures and get kicked out, do only two teams get relegated or is it the three lowest teams still?4 -
It's a long time since it last happened in the League, so it's not certain that the EFL would definitely follow precedent, but in the past the club going bust has always been treated as one of the relegated sides and one less goes down. Where it gets tricker is in league 1, with 1 fewer coming down from the Championship but the usual 3 going up, League 1 then has a vacancy. In non-league they'd solve that by having only 3 down from League 1 and only 1 from League 2 so as to get back to the right numbers, but I don't think there's anything in the rules that says they would have to do that.AberystwythAddick said:Out of interest, if they are unable to fulfill their fixtures and get kicked out, do only two teams get relegated or is it the three lowest teams still?0 -
This all feels like it might end up like the Bolton Wanderers situation of a few years ago, 2019 I believe, in terms of fielding a team of youngsters who at the time were called ‘Junior Whites’.0
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As long as it doesn’t result in an extra relegation place in the champ then they can do what they wish. It would be typical that issues at Sheffield Wednesday mean we go down because we finished above the relegation place but as they’d been kicked out we go down as wellSwindon_Addick said:
It's a long time since it last happened in the League, so it's not certain that the EFL would definitely follow precedent, but in the past the club going bust has always been treated as one of the relegated sides and one less goes down. Where it gets tricker is in league 1, with 1 fewer coming down from the Championship but the usual 3 going up, League 1 then has a vacancy. In non-league they'd solve that by having only 3 down from League 1 and only 1 from League 2 so as to get back to the right numbers, but I don't think there's anything in the rules that says they would have to do that.AberystwythAddick said:Out of interest, if they are unable to fulfill their fixtures and get kicked out, do only two teams get relegated or is it the three lowest teams still?0 -
There's no way they'll get kicked out, they're too big for that. They'll just play with free transfers/loans/kids until they either get taken over or go into administration and then get taken over.
It's definitely going to be an advantage for the clubs who play them early on in the season though, same as it was with the teams who played Bolton. They're going to start the season with a mish-mash of players who've played hardly any pre-season friendlies together.4 -
Hopefully they EFL decide that no one is too big to be kicked out, otherwise I would think that Bury have a case to pursue legal action against the EFL. No use kicking out the smaller teams that won’t really fight it if you’re scared of having the fight with the larger onesChris_from_Sidcup said:There's no way they'll get kicked out, they're too big for that. They'll just play with free transfers/loans/kids until they either get taken over or go into administration and then get taken over.
It's definitely going to be an advantage for the clubs who play them early on in the season though, same as it was with the teams who played Bolton. They're going to start the season with a mish-mash of players who've played hardly any pre-season friendlies together.2 -
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They can't buy anyone for three windows now, so no issues with paying for players for the foreseeable.AndyG said:I don’t want them to fold either but there comes a point when somebody (other than a minnow) has to be held to account to show other clubs they can’t behave in this way. Most clubs are run in the correct manner but some are flying close to the wind an example of Sheffield Wednesday is we like other clubs are atm trying to sign players on our agreed budget, these bastards sign players (to the detriment of other clubs getting relegated) and don’t even pay for them !!
I imagine they will now struggle to attract free transfers, as the precarious nature of their salaries getting paid would likely put off quite a few decent players. Those without a club or of poorer quality will likely fill the void.
Sad times at Hillsborough. They are a great club and their fans are entitled to feel aggrieved. As fickle as fans can be, like we have endured, poor owners can ruin a club and cause significant distress to those that invest their lives following their team through the good and the bad on the pitch.
As a home town club, my sense of rivalry with Wednesday is equal to that of some 'other' London teams. Without our fiercest and most disliked rivals football loses it's passion and purpose. I hope they sort their shit out and continue give us a good game (but not too good). The thought of there being no Wednesday is unthinkable.5 -
Loans are also tricky. They can only sign loans where they don’t pay any loan fee or wages above that paid to the player by the parent club.Chris_from_Sidcup said:There's no way they'll get kicked out, they're too big for that. They'll just play with free transfers/loans/kids until they either get taken over or go into administration and then get taken over.
It's definitely going to be an advantage for the clubs who play them early on in the season though, same as it was with the teams who played Bolton. They're going to start the season with a mish-mash of players who've played hardly any pre-season friendlies together.0 -
They'll probably end up with a chunk of that PFA Free Agents squad that's been going around. Which is very League 1 level.0
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Maybe if they get taken over - even those without a club likely won't want to sign if they're in danger of never getting paid.MarcusH26 said:They'll probably end up with a chunk of that PFA Free Agents squad that's been going around. Which is very League 1 level.0 -
Do they consult Don Goodman on every football related matter?, when did he become the font of all knowledge?2
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Old Don must be raking it in 💰💰gringo said:Do they consult Don Goodman on every football related matter?, when did he become the font of all knowledge?0 -
The reports of the Mansfield friendly being cancelled don't seem to be correct - the local paper says it was played behind closed doors and the club seems to have had a full squad for it.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-mansfield-town-friendly-preseason-hillsborough-52435361 -
Anyone know if there’s any truth in the rumour that Barry Bannan is set to miss the start of the season after a hair transplant went wrong?10
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Surprised they have that many players left, i assume a lot of them were kids.Swindon_Addick said:The reports of the Mansfield friendly being cancelled don't seem to be correct - the local paper says it was played behind closed doors and the club seems to have had a full squad for it.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-mansfield-town-friendly-preseason-hillsborough-52435360 -
Wednesday fans although still worried are far more positive that a sale is very likely and local itk’s are saying there’s strong interest from multiple parties.0
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Thought this was a piss take but have just seen the suggestion online.JaShea99 said:Anyone know if there’s any truth in the rumour that Barry Bannan is set to miss the start of the season after a hair transplant went wrong?1 -
but now hearing it could be one of their fringe players.24
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Fair play. In my haste hadn’t remembered the fact that not every goal has an assistlordromford said:
Clearly not! 😂paulsturgess said:
Im no mathematician, but if they’ve have 11 goals and 11 assists left from last season;Chris_from_Sidcup said:Saw a post on Owls talk that with the players they lost this summer they:- have lost 80% of the goals and 75% of assists from last season
- have just 11 goals and 11 assists from last season still at the club
- have just 6 players left who registered a Championship goal or assist last season
surely the percentage of the goals and the percentage of the assists left from last season would also be the same figure and not 80 and 75 as you mention?
If they have 11 goals left and lost 80% from last year, that suggests they had 55 goals last year and have lost 44.
If they have 11 assists left and lost 75% from last year, that suggests they had 44 assists last year and have lost 33.
You’re welcome! 😎1 -
Someone was saying he hasn’t been in training either so could be true.SporadicAddick said:
Thought this was a piss take but have just seen the suggestion online.JaShea99 said:Anyone know if there’s any truth in the rumour that Barry Bannan is set to miss the start of the season after a hair transplant went wrong?0 -
He’s not parting then.SporadicAddick said:but now hearing it could be one of their fringe players.8 -
Bannan is out of contract and is not officially Sheffield Wednesday's player right now, but from what i've read he has been training with them so i doubt it's him.JaShea99 said:Anyone know if there’s any truth in the rumour that Barry Bannan is set to miss the start of the season after a hair transplant went wrong?
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