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Climate Emergency
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Totally agree, the numbers of petrol cars on the road has always exceeded the number of diesel cars.Hex said:
While at a BMW dealership, where diesel is king, I asked what percentage of cars sold were petrol - he replied 50%. An awful lot of purchasers never heard that message or saw through it, then.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Yes I can assure you we were!Hex said:
Were we ? I don’t think so. We purchased new cars in 2010 and 2012 and both were petrol. We did our homework and saw the writing on the wall for diesel. Perhaps others did not !Dansk_Red said:Politicians of all colours very rarely make decisions, it is all about sound bites which makes them sound that they are different. We were all told to buy diesel cars, they were more expensive to buy and diesel cost more at the pump, so the government took a bigger take in taxes no account was taken in they damage they were doing to air quality, the politician now in charge of renewables was part of that government. Interesting to see what happens in 4 years time, and wether climate change will be top of the agenda.
Between 2000 and 2010 I worked for a body that advised government on motoring. Its membership included all the good and great in motoring.
Our main committee meetings were attended by VERY senior government officials who made it very clear that Gordon Brown wanted the industry to concentrate on manufacturing diesel cars because of their lower CO2 emissions.
The industry went away and acted on that advice. The rest is history!
But percentage wise, it is fascinating to see how the market changed over the first 2 decades of the 2000s.
In 2000, the percentage of cars on the roads in great Britain that were diesel was 12.9%. When the market for diesel cars peaked in December 2017, diesel cars consisted of 39.6% of the cars on the road.
You may have missed the push to buy diesel but believe me, it was there and the above stats prove the message was heard loud and clear by the industry.1 -
I purchased new Skoda in 2007 delivery on the model I wanted was 6 weeks for a diesel and 6 months for a petrol model, plus they offered additional extras if I went with the diesel.0
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I see the barcodes haven't taken note of their mates across the road and decided take that long haul flight from London to Newcastle. Planet killers.
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Let’s hope all their fans walked to London to offset the flight.O-Randy-Hunt said:I see the barcodes haven't taken note of their mates across the road and decided take that long haul flight from London to Newcastle. Planet killers.0 -
Probably cheaper than the train, insanity.2
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To a large degree that was actually my point. We only seem to being driven by one side at the moment . There are alternativesand there is no discussion about pros and cons of each individual project.cantersaddick said:
Only if you don't factor in the massive ecological disaster that I'd speculatively drilling for oil and gas where less then one in 1000 drills produces a useable vein. Even one drill does more damage to nature and ecosystems than a whole wind farm.redman said:
A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter.ME14addick said:Tony Juniper is Chair of Natural England and has written many books on Climate Change and the benefits of nature to the economy.
Whilst there is so much emphasis on growing the economy, it would be good for everyone to read some of his books, particularly 'What has Nature ever done for us?:How money really does grow on trees' and 'What Nature has done for Britain'.
Both books warn of the impacts of not looking after nature, in terms of money and how much better off the economy would be if we look after the natural world.
https://tonyjuniper.com/
You can't include that measure on one side of the equation but not the other.0 -
Yea have heard the Saudis couldn't afford to fund the train back oop north for the team.Friend Or Defoe said:Probably cheaper than the train, insanity.1 -
You don't achieve their level of wealth by luck. Watch the halalas and the riyals will watch themselves.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Yea have heard the Saudis couldn't afford to fund the train back oop north for the team.Friend Or Defoe said:Probably cheaper than the train, insanity.0 -
Fixed it for you and answeredChizz said:
You're choosing to ignore the benefits of being able to drive a vehicle powered by renewables. Do you genuinely believe that renewable solar panel / wind farm / mineral resources draining battery-reliant electricity-powered cars are as unsustainable as petrol- or diesel-powered cars?cafcnick1992 said:Don't forget that swapping ICE vehicles to EV vehicles is just swapping one unsustainable mode of transport for another. Hydrogen cars are the future - we can artificially make the fuel for them.Er, yes….3 -
The best selling car worldwide was an electric-only car. Of the rest of the top ten selling cars worldwide, only one was ICE powered only.1
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Not sure a Tesla will be the best seller this year…Chizz said:The best selling car worldwide was an electric-only car. Of the rest of the top ten selling cars worldwide, only one was ICE powered only.1 -
It probably will. A few democrats setting fire to cars doesn't mean Tesla's aren't the best product out there if you're after an EV.2
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British Steel gone0
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But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?2 -
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?0 -
And yet another example of a failed privatisation?cafcnick1992 said:
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?5 - Sponsored links:
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Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...cafcnick1992 said:
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?2 -
Yes I recall Maggie making the same argument and getting dog's abuseLeroy Ambrose said:
Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...cafcnick1992 said:
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?0 -
100% correctcafcnick1992 said:
Yes I recall Maggie making the same argument and getting dog's abuseLeroy Ambrose said:
Fancy increasing your taxes to pay to prop up an uncompetitive industry with no future? Because that sounds a bit like socialism...cafcnick1992 said:
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?0 -
Say what you like about Just stop oil (and I personally have said on here that I felt their techniques needed to evolve after the initial good publicity before people turned on them) but, their stated aim of no new oil and gas is now government policy.
Protests work? Effective lobbying?2 -
I wouldn't say policy changed because of folk rising up in support of JSO's cause, but their antics did raise public awareness, as they intended. However, they probably alienated more of those opposed to their tactics than felt moved to protest with them as a result.cantersaddick said:Say what you like about Just stop oil (and I personally have said on here that I felt their techniques needed to evolve after the initial good publicity before people turned on them) but, their stated aim of no new oil and gas is now government policy.
Protests work? Effective lobbying?
That said, not for a second do I believe anyone who understands the science would have changed their minds due to what JSO were doing, so their actions never harmed support for the cause amongst those accepting of it, and those who reject it are beyond reasoning with anyway.
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…and replaced it with a coal fired plant thousands of miles away churning out even more pollution and then transporting the steel to the UK…#notsavingtheplanetfromaclimateemergencycafcnick1992 said:
I just think it's wonderful that dirty plant isn't emitting any more pollutionswordfish said:
But not forgotten.cafcnick1992 said:British Steel gone
Better not be. Pays my pension. Ironically, I spent most of my working life working on contracts for the manufacture and supply of line pipe for the oil & gas industry giants to lay.
Is the fact you've posted this here supposed to relate the climate emergency, and if so, how?3 -
I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for a10 minute jolly.
Seems reasonable.1 -
The rocket is fueled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, with the main emission being water vapour. The flight will probably emit significantly less greenhouse gas than the reporters who drive to the launch site to cover the pointless, narcissistic joy ride.MrWalker said:I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for a10 minute jolly.
Seems reasonable.1 -
If it's a joy ride, it's not pointless. Joy is the very point of it.Chizz said:
The rocket is fueled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, with the main emission being water vapour. The flight will probably emit significantly less greenhouse gas than the reporters who drive to the launch site to cover the pointless, narcissistic joy ride.MrWalker said:I'll keep making my savings while Katie Perry blasts into space for a10 minute jolly.
Seems reasonable.1
