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Whoever started the clean up of London's air and regardless who's doing it now it's something that has to be done. I was in Delhi earlier this year on our holiday tour, the pollution there has to be experienced to be believed. I could taste the smog before I got off the aircraft. Obviously our pollution levels are very much lower in our capital city but we should strive to make them better and the best we can here, its for all our benefit. It will cost all us of money and that's the bit that unites people where ever they live, no one wants to pay to clean up others mess.
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I virtually attended a lecture today from the chief medical officer on the future health of the nation. I was there in a work capacity but it was incredibly interesting comparing the situation now to that when thr NHS was introduced. Lot of negatives but also some real positives in terms of how we can approach these issues.
Anyway, one very interesting point he made (and showed some CRUK data on) was that the 2 biggest factors in preventable cancers are smoking and air quality.4 -
I was badly affected by asthma as a kid.
As an adult my asthma is very well controlled, but I do have a dry asthmatic cough. That cough stopped completely during the first lock down when traffic came to a standstill. I now cough less with the measures that have been bought in. I know there will be sceptics amongst the CL faithful - disbelieving souls - who'll say that 'Raith's Cough' is not an exact science (which it is btw
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Point being there is a threshold whereby 'Raith's Cough' kicks in. It may only be the difference of a few beats on the air quality index, but it all counts - just a cough to me, but far more serious for others.
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British Rail - We know we're shit but think of the alternative!Friend Or Defoe said:0 -
I have to pinch myself sometimes to remind me that there are actually people out there against improving air quality and preventing/slowing Global warming. How does somebody get their mind into that position, not politics at all, and how do they reset?8
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That picture looks pretty much like London these days.Friend Or Defoe said:0 -
If you accept that 97% of people are morons it's much easier to understand a lot of things.7
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It might be about money now short term thinking.MuttleyCAFC said:I have to pinch myself sometimes to remind me that there are actually people out there against improving air quality and preventing/slowing Global warming. How does somebody get their mind into that position, not politics at all, and how do they reset?0 - Sponsored links:
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That’s all very well, but, you know, costs. Or revenue.cantersaddick said:“We are now set to get London’s air to within legal limits by 2025, 184 years earlier than previously projected.”
That bit jumped out at me. Massive positive impact.
Also this bit is exactly what ive been saying on here about the expansion yet people have lept on saying its unfair on the poor or its not needed jn outer London:
"We know that toxic air is associated with increased risks of asthma, cancer and dementia, and that it disproportionately affects poorer Londoners and those from Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities.“With the greatest number of deaths attributable to air pollution occurring in outer London, it’s great to see these results since the Ulez was introduced London-wide.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/25/ulez-expansion-led-to-significant-drop-in-air-pollutants-in-london-report-findsBottom line is ULEZ is saving lives and increasing Londoners’ life expectancy.3 -
Scrappage scheme being wound down and will close In September, the £210m allocated is almost run out.0
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Drivers owe nearly £380m in unpaid Ulez fines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced1dg42n5zo
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On top of this research from a month ago (that I posted on the wrong thread).
NIHR are world leaders in post implementation evaluation. I've worked with them and what they do is incredibly detailed.
https://www.nihr.ac.uk/story/bradford-breathes-easier-pollution-levels-fall#:~:text=Their latest results, which are,around £30,000 each month.
Massive piece of research into Bradfords clean air zone shows in the year since it was implemented a 25% reduction in people presenting at GP with respiratory and heart complaints. With the biggest changes seen in the poorest demographics. Saving the NHS £30k a month on those initial appointments alone. Would be way more if factoring follow up treatments, hsopital demand, time off work etc. The economic benefits of this are huge.
Both of these studies have shown evidence that the benefits have been realised almost exactly as the pre intervention research and modelling said it would. Schemes are undoubtedly a success.6 -
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A guardian link? I hope you realise a call has now gone out to the balance police? 😉2 -
ULEZ still cannot demonstrate that it itself is responsible for the decrease in pollution. People were already buying newer, more efficient vehicles before ULEZ came in, hence why Khan could claim that 90% of cars qualified.5
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No one has ever said the measures won’t help air quality.They can only benefit.This graphic from the report stood out for me though:
Doesn’t this suggest outer London improved by 3 points in the same way the Rest of England did without ULEZ measures?
I’m still interested to see the financial impact for London and the true costs and success (?) of fine collection etc.
Regardless as I have said before the health objective is not disputed but for me the way introduced was poor.0 -
I suspect the introduction of the ULEZ system is, or was always going to be, a damned if you do damned if you don’t initiative.4
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Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?0
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I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?1 -
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?6 -
Yeah that one - plenty of electric and hybrid vehicles available.0
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I don't mean that one btw. I mean their vans. Was just wondering when they were going to ditch their diesel vans.TelMc32 said:
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?0 -
Good question. Also inner and central London being cleaner now than outer London sticks out.valleynick66 said:No one has ever said the measures won’t help air quality.They can only benefit.This graphic from the report stood out for me though:
Doesn’t this suggest outer London improved by 3 points in the same way the Rest of England did without ULEZ measures?
I’m still interested to see the financial impact for London and the true costs and success (?) of fine collection etc.
Regardless as I have said before the health objective is not disputed but for me the way introduced was poor.0 -
I was responding to @cafcnick1992 and his post on the Mayor’s choice of car, but ULEZ was brought is to encourage cleaner vehicles and diesel vehicles which meet Euro 6 standard (the tightest emission standard) are compliant.O-Randy-Hunt said:
I don't mean that one btw. I mean their vans. Was just wondering when they were going to ditch their diesel vans.TelMc32 said:
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?0 -
Cheers Tel. I do feel Tfl should be setting an example though and putting their staff in electric vehicles rather than purchasing more diesel. Planet killers.TelMc32 said:
I was responding to @cafcnick1992 and his post on the Mayor’s choice of car, but ULEZ was brought is to encourage cleaner vehicles and diesel vehicles which meet Euro 6 standard (the tightest emission standard) are compliant.O-Randy-Hunt said:
I don't mean that one btw. I mean their vans. Was just wondering when they were going to ditch their diesel vans.TelMc32 said:
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?2 -
They're still committed to full net zero as far as i know, with vans and busses relatively easy to replace. But it's more economic to replace at the end of life usually. I've seen some older busses on London's roads which has surprised me. Presumably it's just a case of getting round to it, which means phased replacement, and should include administering fleet contracts with suppliers, and making sure drivers are trained and ready.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Cheers Tel. I do feel Tfl should be setting an example though and putting their staff in electric vehicles rather than purchasing more diesel. Planet killers.TelMc32 said:
I was responding to @cafcnick1992 and his post on the Mayor’s choice of car, but ULEZ was brought is to encourage cleaner vehicles and diesel vehicles which meet Euro 6 standard (the tightest emission standard) are compliant.O-Randy-Hunt said:
I don't mean that one btw. I mean their vans. Was just wondering when they were going to ditch their diesel vans.TelMc32 said:
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?3 -
They are driving around in 24 plate diesel vans. Surely that could have been electric.swords_alive said:
They're still committed to full net zero as far as i know, with vans and busses relatively easy to replace. But it's more economic to replace at the end of life usually. I've seen some older busses on London's roads which has surprised me. Presumably it's just a case of getting round to it, which means phased replacement, and should include administering fleet contracts with suppliers, and making sure drivers are trained and ready.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Cheers Tel. I do feel Tfl should be setting an example though and putting their staff in electric vehicles rather than purchasing more diesel. Planet killers.TelMc32 said:
I was responding to @cafcnick1992 and his post on the Mayor’s choice of car, but ULEZ was brought is to encourage cleaner vehicles and diesel vehicles which meet Euro 6 standard (the tightest emission standard) are compliant.O-Randy-Hunt said:
I don't mean that one btw. I mean their vans. Was just wondering when they were going to ditch their diesel vans.TelMc32 said:
You mean the ULEZ compliant V8 Range Rover supplied by the Met Police?cafcnick1992 said:
I don't know - why does Khan drive around in a V8 Range Rover?O-Randy-Hunt said:Anyone know why tfl don't take a leaf out of everyone else's book and get rid of their diesel vans?0 -
Hard to armour, what with being so heavy in the first place. I’d imagine people would also be trotting out the cost and virtue signalling lines if (again) the MET supplied him with an up armoured EV/hybrid.cafcnick1992 said:Yeah that one - plenty of electric and hybrid vehicles available.0
