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  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,713
    PrincessFiona said:
    Holdkneebomb said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Addick Addict said:
    I see Emma Raducanu has suffered her fourth consecutive defeat and third successive first round elimination. Yet again she took a wild card (lost to the world number 25) rather than qualify against an opponent ranked no higher than 94. She needs to be having a run of games and there is an opportunity to do that in Dubai next week, if she decides to play in that tournament, as she is not ranked high enough to enter the main draw. She also needs to sort that new coach out sooner rather than later.
    Definitely re the new coach.

    The only bad result was Singapore though. She beat 2 players ranked higher than her at the AO, one a seed then was thrashed by Swiatek - but even those in the top 30 or 40 get thrashed by her. Singapore was poor, as beaten by a player ranked below her.

    But whilst Abu Dhabi and Qatar were first round defeats, they were both by players ranked above her, so not nearly as bad, as going with ranking. Today was world 25 and Abu Dhabi no. 37. That said, she has often beaten players ranked 20 to 40, just doesn't do it often enough due to her limited schedule and lack of consistency.

    So putting it in context, which so many don't, 2 very poor results, 1 thrashing by world 2, a poor result in Singapore then 2 losses to players ranked higher. So 3 first round defeats looks poor, but realistically she wasn't expected to win 2 of them going on form.

    A lot to improve on though
    Agree up to a point but having won a slam at such a young age the expectations were that she wd be ranked higher than 60. Leylah Fernandes who she beat in the slam final is ranked 27 for example
    Agreed about expectations. But expectations are often unrealistic, especially with all her injury issues. There are quite a few young women around who have won a single grand slam young and struggled after.

    The expectations on Gauff were immense when she beat Venus Williams and look at how long she took to win her first grand slam. But then she has stayed at that level though. Her trajectory was more normal and she went ot a tennis school for a while. Raducanu was a full time school girl doing her A levels and playing only 8 hours tennis a week before Wimbledon and the USO.

    She's certainly capable but has a lot to work on - first off by getting a coach of course -she must feel a bit lost. Hopefully getting a full time fitness coach will help too. She needs to get her revised service more consistent and more consistency in general. Staying injury free will make a huge difference as well. I guess we will have to see. I don't think it is panic stations yet
    Nail on head

    We shouldn't be surprised that ER gets constant dogs abuse.  It must be tiresome in the extreme for her.  I wonder how much comfort it is to her that she has already achieved many multiples of anything most of the hectoring buffoons will achieve in all their miserable sniping lives, all added together?
    Her USO victory was a total aberration, everything that could have fallen her way, did, she didn't drop a set, had the shortest and sweetest path possible to the final.  She still had to perform but that was unprecedented and will probably never be repeated.  A fine indication of her basic talent but no reasonable barometer for anyone's career.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    Billy_Mix said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Holdkneebomb said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Addick Addict said:
    I see Emma Raducanu has suffered her fourth consecutive defeat and third successive first round elimination. Yet again she took a wild card (lost to the world number 25) rather than qualify against an opponent ranked no higher than 94. She needs to be having a run of games and there is an opportunity to do that in Dubai next week, if she decides to play in that tournament, as she is not ranked high enough to enter the main draw. She also needs to sort that new coach out sooner rather than later.
    Definitely re the new coach.

    The only bad result was Singapore though. She beat 2 players ranked higher than her at the AO, one a seed then was thrashed by Swiatek - but even those in the top 30 or 40 get thrashed by her. Singapore was poor, as beaten by a player ranked below her.

    But whilst Abu Dhabi and Qatar were first round defeats, they were both by players ranked above her, so not nearly as bad, as going with ranking. Today was world 25 and Abu Dhabi no. 37. That said, she has often beaten players ranked 20 to 40, just doesn't do it often enough due to her limited schedule and lack of consistency.

    So putting it in context, which so many don't, 2 very poor results, 1 thrashing by world 2, a poor result in Singapore then 2 losses to players ranked higher. So 3 first round defeats looks poor, but realistically she wasn't expected to win 2 of them going on form.

    A lot to improve on though
    Agree up to a point but having won a slam at such a young age the expectations were that she wd be ranked higher than 60. Leylah Fernandes who she beat in the slam final is ranked 27 for example
    Agreed about expectations. But expectations are often unrealistic, especially with all her injury issues. There are quite a few young women around who have won a single grand slam young and struggled after.

    The expectations on Gauff were immense when she beat Venus Williams and look at how long she took to win her first grand slam. But then she has stayed at that level though. Her trajectory was more normal and she went ot a tennis school for a while. Raducanu was a full time school girl doing her A levels and playing only 8 hours tennis a week before Wimbledon and the USO.

    She's certainly capable but has a lot to work on - first off by getting a coach of course -she must feel a bit lost. Hopefully getting a full time fitness coach will help too. She needs to get her revised service more consistent and more consistency in general. Staying injury free will make a huge difference as well. I guess we will have to see. I don't think it is panic stations yet
    Nail on head

    We shouldn't be surprised that ER gets constant dogs abuse.  It must be tiresome in the extreme for her.  I wonder how much comfort it is to her that she has already achieved many multiples of anything most of the hectoring buffoons will achieve in all their miserable sniping lives, all added together?
    Her USO victory was a total aberration, everything that could have fallen her way, did, she didn't drop a set, had the shortest and sweetest path possible to the final.  She still had to perform but that was unprecedented and will probably never be repeated.  A fine indication of her basic talent but no reasonable barometer for anyone's career.
    She certainly had the sweetest draw but still had to bear everyone who beat everyone they played. But she's has the luck reversed recently with first round draws, except for Singapore, which was the only poor result. But there is a lot of rubbish about no top players playing that year which is completely untrue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_US_Open_–_Women's_singles
    Barty, Sabalenka, Osaka, Swiatek, Halep, Jabeur, Gauff to name a few

    The amount of ridiculous, completely biased and irrational, if not cruel. statements I read about her is insane, Who are these saddos? I'm not even a particular fan of hers, but detest the ridiculous statements - for once it is nice to be able to discuss it reasonably somewhere - the usual suspects don't seem to be interested in tennis, thank goodness
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    https://apnews.com/article/raducanu-spectator-ejected-tennis-dubai-9b025c02af3518cf8b74d5a47b5edd4d

    Raducanu approaches the umpire in tears after a security incident at a tournament in Dubai

  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    Absolutely shocking situation.  Professional tennis owes Emma - and all other participants - a duty of care.  I hope this person never sets foot near a tennis court ever again. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    I know Monica Seles was a few years ago now but does nobody remember?
  • Blackheathen
    Blackheathen Posts: 6,662
    Yes Len.  Assaulted by a Steffi Graf fan
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    LenGlover said:
    I know Monica Seles was a few years ago now but does nobody remember?
    She was stabbed, wasn't she.

    I though Raducanu did well in the match in the end, considering the circumstances and the ranking of her opponent. Took the first set to a tie break and even had a set point

    Of course the headlines were that she was in tears and the awful reasons only in the article - brought out the usual nasty comments of course
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    2 pairs of Brits in the Doha men's doubles finals. And of course, Draper in the mens semis.

    With such men's doubles specialists, why don't GB play stronger doubles players in the Davis Cup and the  United Cup?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    PrincessFiona said:
    2 pairs of Brits in the Doha men's doubles finals. And of course, Draper in the mens semis.

    With such men's doubles specialists, why don't GB play stronger doubles players in the Davis Cup and the  United Cup?
    Cash and Glasspool have been together just a few months and Skupski and Salisbury only a little longer. If those pairs can sustain their form I suspect we will play a stronger doubles pair in the Davis Cup in future.

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    Draper at a new career high of world no. 14 in the live rankings.

    If he beats Lehecka in his semi final, he’d jump to 12 and should he win the whole thing he’d be 11 and only 100 points outside of the top 10.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,483
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    Andrey Rublev in the final
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,973
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    edited February 22
    Cash and Glasspool won the Battle of the Brits in the doubles final. Their second tournament victory I believe in the short duration of their doubles partnership.

    Good luck to Jack Draper in the singles final against Rublev.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    edited February 22
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    PrincessFiona said:
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options
    Jack lost the 3rd set 6-1 but given his recent recovery from injury a good tournament for him in my view.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    LenGlover said:
    Cash and Glasspool won the Battle of the Brits in the doubles final. Their second tournament victory I believe in the short duration of their doubles partnership.

    Good luck to Jack Draper in the singles final against Rublev.
    Actually third tournament victory for Cash and Glasspool. They are doing well.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    LenGlover said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options
    Jack lost the 3rd set 6-1 but given his recent recovery from injury a good tournament for him in my view.
    absolutely - I just wondered why he went from battling back to win the second set to losing the third 6 - 1

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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    PrincessFiona said:
    LenGlover said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options
    Jack lost the 3rd set 6-1 but given his recent recovery from injury a good tournament for him in my view.
    absolutely - I just wondered why he went from battling back to win the second set to losing the third 6 - 1

    Got knackered I think. Cumulative effect of a hard week of matches straight after recovery.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,486
    LenGlover said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    LenGlover said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options
    Jack lost the 3rd set 6-1 but given his recent recovery from injury a good tournament for him in my view.
    absolutely - I just wondered why he went from battling back to win the second set to losing the third 6 - 1

    Got knackered I think. Cumulative effect of a hard week of matches straight after recovery.
    Thanks I wondered as much. Still, great effort
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    edited February 23
    PrincessFiona said:
    soapboxsam said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Draper beats Lehecka - through to final in Qatar.
    Super Jack

    I thought he was going to lose after the 1st set but hung in there and now has the volatile Rublev  to beat in the Final.
    What happened in the final set of the final? Was following it on the BBC website - we need more screens so we can watch the football scores, rugby, cricket and the tennis at the same time. Having a 75inch in the lounge is great, but limits the options

    I had a manic day's yesterday with England V Australia cricket and England Rugby plus following CAFC so I taped the Tennis final on Sky but the Sky tennis channel I was on stopped after the 2nd set 🤦🏻‍♂️
    I think they switched channels but at least I didn't have to sit through the 6-1 final set against Rublev who I find annoying with his antics.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    Salisbury and Skupski and Cash and Glasspool both lost their quarter finals today in the aftermath of their final last week.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    edited March 7
    Fearnley beaten 2-6 6-1 3-6 by 18 y/o talent Fonseca in the first round of Indian Wells.

    Fonseca will be Draper’s opponent in round 2. Very much a banana skin type of tie.


    Norrie won his first round tie and will face Lehecka in round 2.

    As a lucky loser, Kartal won against a qualifier and will be up against Haddad Maia in round 2. Raducanu was beaten in round 1 by Uchijima.

    Like Draper, as a seeded player, Boulter gets a bye into the second round and will play against Begu.
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,115
    Callumcafc said:
    Fearnley beaten 2-6 6-1 3-6 by 18 y/o talent Fonseca in the first round of Indian Wells.

    Fonseca will be Draper’s opponent in round 2. Very much a banana skin type of tie.


    Norrie won his first round tie and will face Lehecka in round 2.

    As a lucky loser, Kartal won against a qualifier and will be up against Haddad Maia in round 2. Raducanu was beaten in round 1 by Uchijima.

    Like Draper, as a seeded player, Boulter gets a bye into the second round and will play against Begu.
    Fonseca probably the most exciting prospect in Tennis right now, be a good watch that one!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    edited March 9
    2nd round round up

    Draper puts in a dominant performance to defeat Fonseca 6-4 6-0. He will play Jenson Brooksby in the third round.

    Norrie also won, defeating 23rd seed Lehecka 3-6 6-4 7-5. He will play 10th seed Tommy Paul in the third round.

    Kartal defeated 16th seed Haddad Maia and will face Polina Kudermetova in the third round. 

    Boulter defeated Begu in the second round and will face 7th seed Rybakina next up.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    Cam Norrie beaten in straight sets by Tommy Paul.

    Katie Boulter beaten in straight sets by Elena Rybakina.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    Salisbury and Skupski and Cash and Glasspool both through to the last 16 of the doubles. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    Draper wins the first set against Brooksby 7-5.

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