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Swisdom said:So now my wife has the option of paying £45 a day to get to work on the fast train plus £13.50 a day parking at Ebbsfleet plus £4 or £5 a day in fuel
Or
Drive to Canary Wharf £15-20 a day, parking at Canary Wharf at £18.50 a day and then £8 a day to use the tunnel.Thankfully only 3 days a week in the office so £46.50 a day x3 = £140 a week, or £560 a month to go to work.That’s almost another mortgage. Just to go to work. I dread to think how people who both commute to London 5 days a week can afford it!Is it any wonder we have so many people living on benefits in this country!
yes another mortgage if you travelled back in time to the 1980s perhaps.5 -
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.2 -
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.3 -
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
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Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.0 -
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.2 -
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.8 -
Anybody who uses the tunnel have to pay though no ?Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.0 -
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For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.7 -
It’s a tidal flow approach and is completely understandable. However. The fact that living in the east of London is being discriminated against over those living further west with access to free river crossings.golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.3 -
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone are able to spell it. It's just circumstance, its more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to charge people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.5 -
Radostanradical said:
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone able to spell it. It's just circumstance, its more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to chare people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.
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all argument and sympathy is lost as soon as you mention the Conservative borough of Bromleygolfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.3 -
Why should it be more expensive for me to go to Ilford at 9am than for someone in Ilford to travel to Bromley at the same time......and btw your analogy is crap.Radostanradical said:
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone able to spell it. It's just circumstance, its more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to chare people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.
Neither of the journey's are going "into" London and both are using the exact same stretch of road at the same time.
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A "tidal flow" approach ? How novel. So is it only people South of the river that have to cross the Thames at peak times then ? What do people who live north of the Thames do in the mornings ? Sit at home & do nothing ? Do none of them work or travel for pleasure at that time.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s a tidal flow approach and is completely understandable. However. The fact that living in the east of London is being discriminated against over those living further west with access to free river crossings.golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.
We really are an enclave if so.1 -
You mean comparison but we can move past it.golfaddick said:
Why should it be more expensive for me to go to Ilford at 9am than for someone in Ilford to travel to Bromley at the same time......and btw your analogy is crap.Radostanradical said:
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone able to spell it. It's just circumstance, its more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to chare people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.
Neither of the journey's are going "into" London and both are using the exact same stretch of road at the same time.
It's not the same stretch of road one moves south and one moves north ? you are being deliberately obtuse. Traffic is going to be far more congested going in one direction at a certain time compared to another and you know that, though you may try to deny it. they are charging at the more congested time for a number of reasons and one is to pay for the bridge in the first place.0 -
Glad to see TFL encouraging people to work South of the river.1
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I've heard it all now. It's discriminatory to implement a congestion charge in one direction (the congested one) because people who travel in that direction are going to be charged, whilst people who travel in the opposite (uncongested) one aren't.
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Of course it’s discriminiminationRadostanradical said:
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone are able to spell it. It's just circumstance, it’s more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to charge people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
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If implemented, it could cause road chaos both sides of the river with drivers trying to find alternative routes .. could lead to a big upsurge in sales of amphibian vehicles ?1
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used to be (e.g.) that using the bridges into Wales, drivers only paid going into Wales, those going into England paid nil .. this was abolished a few years back, BUT expect it to be reintroduced before much longer, the Cymrus need the cash it seemsgolfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
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The original seven bridge had a toll each way 2s/6p. I believe the toll was removed travelling to England as heavier lorries were allowed on British roads and the queues for the toll booths ment these heavy lorries were static on the bridge which would exceed the safe loading the bridge was built for.0
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It doesn’t matter what term / grammar we use but it is wrong to introduce a tariff when it was free. And it is undoubtedly more harmful for those that live in the South.Charge for the new tunnel in the same way as the M6 toll is only for the quick route.It is unjust when those that use it have few real choices to change routes. We won’t see traffic volumes decrease because of this.2
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Of course its the same stretch of road. The A2 is the same if you are driving from Dartford into Bexley or Bexley into Dartford. The only thing that is separating the road is the crash barrier in the middle.Radostanradical said:
You mean comparison but we can move past it.golfaddick said:
Why should it be more expensive for me to go to Ilford at 9am than for someone in Ilford to travel to Bromley at the same time......and btw your analogy is crap.Radostanradical said:
I don't think you know what the word discrimination means let alone able to spell it. It's just circumstance, its more expensive to travel in one direction at a particular time. Is it discrimination to chare people more to go on holiday during the summer ?golfaddick said:
For me it's not even about people further West not having to pay to cross the Thames.....its about people in one community having to pay an excess charge to use the crossings & people in another community only having to pay the standard charge even though both sets of people are going to & from the same places.Rizzo said:
People are complaining that those of us in the Southeast have to pay to cross the river whereas those further West do not. Start charging everywhere if you must but don't single out a particular region.Radostanradical said:
This is literally a thread of people complaining.....................SporadicAddick said:
Said everyone…Radostanradical said:
People have literally been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure south of the river, lets not revise history. A simple google will show you its true. Why has the new crossing been worked on for 20 years now if there was not any demandOff_it said:
Said absolutely nobodyRadostanradical said:
"We want better public services and transport routes but we dont want to have to pay for them"Off_it said:
But a "peak period" is a peak period. Like on the trains - you pay more during certain hours and it's not any cheaper coming out of London than going in.AFKABartram said:
Come on Golfie, it doesn’t take much to work out that the peak period is people traveling into London in the morning midweek and people traveling out of London in the afternoon midweek.golfaddick said:I'm still trying to get my head round this.
Are "peak times" just 6-10am northbound & 4-7pm southbound ? And "off peak" is all other times. Thus, if you travel southbound between 6 & 10 am you are only charged "off peak" rates.
If so that is discrimateray and needs to be challenged in the Courts
if the toll costs are £1.50 at all other times (and free 10pm - 6am), then it’s a little friendlier than I was fearing
Only applying the additional charge in one direction is effectively a tax on those coming from south-east London, which stinks.
it’s the bit about not wanting to pay that is amusing.
Person A lives in Bromley & goes to Finchley at 9am.
Person B lives in Finchley and goes to Bromley at 9am
Only person A pays the higher "peak" charge.
That is discrimation.
Neither of the journey's are going "into" London and both are using the exact same stretch of road at the same time.
It's not the same stretch of road one moves south and one moves north ? you are being deliberately obtuse. Traffic is going to be far more congested going in one direction at a certain time compared to another and you know that, though you may try to deny it. they are charging at the more congested time for a number of reasons and one is to pay for the bridge in the first place.
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Of course its discrimination. What do you call it if one set of people are treated differently to another just because of where they live.Leroy Ambrose said:I've heard it all now. It's discriminatory to implement a congestion charge in one direction (the congested one) because people who travel in that direction are going to be charged, whilst people who travel in the opposite (uncongested) one aren't.
Do you hear yourself? 🤣
If all you are trying to do is reduce the congestion then perhaps it might be better to get rid of the road completely & make people walk !!5 -
You don't call peak fares on public transport 'discrimination' based on the fact that people who work afternoons or nights don't have to pay them. Measures are being put in place to try and cut the use of cars to ease congestion and pollution, ffs - London has arguably the most extensive public transport system in the world and people STILL won't guve up their sodding cars. What do you propose is done about the absolute gridlock caused on the roads when we the Blackwall Tunnel is shut? How do you propose new crossings are funded? Charging people to drive AWAY from congestion would be a monumentally stupid idea as it would be counterproductive.golfaddick said:
Of course its discrimination. What do you call it if one set of people are treated differently to another just because of where they live.Leroy Ambrose said:I've heard it all now. It's discriminatory to implement a congestion charge in one direction (the congested one) because people who travel in that direction are going to be charged, whilst people who travel in the opposite (uncongested) one aren't.
Do you hear yourself? 🤣
If all you are trying to do is reduce the congestion then perhaps it might be better to get rid of the road completely & make people walk !!
You've not thought this through...3 -
People drive because the public transport is NOT an adequate alternative.Leroy Ambrose said:
You don't call peak fares on public transport 'discrimination' based on the fact that people who work afternoons or nights don't have to pay them. Measures are being put in place to try and cut the use of cars to ease congestion and pollution, ffs - London has arguably the most extensive public transport system in the world and people STILL won't guve up their sodding cars. What do you propose is done about the absolute gridlock caused on the roads when we the Blackwall Tunnel is shut? How do you propose new crossings are funded? Charging people to drive AWAY from congestion would be a monumentally stupid idea as it would be counterproductive.golfaddick said:
Of course its discrimination. What do you call it if one set of people are treated differently to another just because of where they live.Leroy Ambrose said:I've heard it all now. It's discriminatory to implement a congestion charge in one direction (the congested one) because people who travel in that direction are going to be charged, whilst people who travel in the opposite (uncongested) one aren't.
Do you hear yourself? 🤣
If all you are trying to do is reduce the congestion then perhaps it might be better to get rid of the road completely & make people walk !!
You've not thought this through...7 -
Showing your age if you think that's a mortgage payment!Swisdom said:So now my wife has the option of paying £45 a day to get to work on the fast train plus £13.50 a day parking at Ebbsfleet plus £4 or £5 a day in fuel
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Drive to Canary Wharf £15-20 a day, parking at Canary Wharf at £18.50 a day and then £8 a day to use the tunnel.Thankfully only 3 days a week in the office so £46.50 a day x3 = £140 a week, or £560 a month to go to work.That’s almost another mortgage. Just to go to work. I dread to think how people who both commute to London 5 days a week can afford it!Is it any wonder we have so many people living on benefits in this country!
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