POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Crawley Town : Tuesday 3rd December 2024

The day after the night before has dawned and if anything Im angrier now that at the full time whistle. NJ is behaving like he is stuck in some kind of loop of failure. He is relentlessly pushing a tactic that clearly isnt working, it was obvious weeks ago to everybody but him. As other people have said it isnt even the results but the performances are dire. Football is an entertainment industry like any other and you need to have a product offering to attract people to spend their money with you. We are being set up to play the most boring anti football style I have ever witnessed as a Charlton fan, not only that but we all just know that come Saturday it will be exactly the same shite he wont change his tactics. I just dont believe that a group of professional footballers can constantly put out performances like that unless they are being directed to play that way by the Manager.

I was fully onboard with the appointment and him getting time but after the last month I think he needs to go, I like most supporters look forward to watching our club on the pitch but these performances make it a chore and tbh Im dreading Saturday now because even if we win we will still have to watch this turgid boring style ! honestly can anyone tell me when was the last time one of our players got you off your seat ! I was critical of Appleton for his negative style but NJ beats him hands down.

I dont care if players like Dixon are ready or not the chance of feeling that brief moment of excitement when they do something is what we all go to watch its called entertainment 

I wonder what NJ's performance targets are for the season. If the owners don't think he is meeting them, what is being done? I reckon there will be consideration to a panic session in January. 

1) He starts to turn it around over the next 3 weeks and gets the money and permission to continue with the rebuild.

2) He shows no sign of an upturn in performance and results and gets the boot by 1st week of January, and a new manager has the say in yet another overhaul. The problem being yet again, how the hell do we offload more crap  players than we had before?

Talal said:

se9addick said:

Swisdom said:

I've slept on it.  I'm still furious.

Dreadful, slow, no creativity.
Alan Campbell is not fit to wear the shirt.  Any shirt.  I don't even want him handing out sandwiches - he'd be late for that as he is late for every tackle.

Possibly my lowest point ever as an Addick.  I fucking hate every single one of them right now.
Long ball nonsense.  

Alan Campbell is getting decent marks on the player marks thread which surprises me. He was absolutely atrocious. 

He was probably our best player first half which obviously isn't saying much. I don't rate him at all but not sure why he's getting dug out over others for this one, unless it's just easier to bash a Luton loanee. 

I think it’s because he’s Jones’ man, if Hylton had been in the squad and come on then I’m sure he would have got similar treatment 

Think it’s also because he should be our best player, a couple of years ago he was a big part of a team that got promoted to the prem, and when we signed him we described him as a championship player. But he’s looked average at best, and even that’s being very generous 

Talal said:

se9addick said:

Swisdom said:

I've slept on it.  I'm still furious.

Dreadful, slow, no creativity.
Alan Campbell is not fit to wear the shirt.  Any shirt.  I don't even want him handing out sandwiches - he'd be late for that as he is late for every tackle.

Possibly my lowest point ever as an Addick.  I fucking hate every single one of them right now.
Long ball nonsense.  

Alan Campbell is getting decent marks on the player marks thread which surprises me. He was absolutely atrocious. 

He was probably our best player first half which obviously isn't saying much. I don't rate him at all but not sure why he's getting dug out over others for this one, unless it's just easier to bash a Luton loanee. 

I agree,  Campbell's performance was riddled with error, but was still better than the other midfielders. What a state we are in.

eaststandmike said:

Lincsaddick said:

Can't comprehend how a team that looked so good on Saturday turns into a bunch of useless, quivering wrecks 3 days later .. played off the park, outwitted and outfought by Crawley .. anyway, well done Rob Elliot who must be shaking his head in disbelief at what is the  dishevelled state of his first club as a professional .. too early to say Eliot for manager ?

We have looked good against all the league two and national league sides, that’s our level 

I disagree. We are at our level. As Curbs used to say, "The league table doesn't lie!"

We are a consistently average League One side, with a proven track record of being mid-table over multiple seasons. No better, no worse. We will stay at this level until someone changes all that we have been doing up to now.

Einstein said," Insanity, is to keep doing the same thing and to expect a different result!"

I my book that makes Jones insane!!! 

Redmidland said:

I can't move on from last night, it's like a reoccurring nightmare...looking back at the 'highlights' (should that be lowlights!), we couldn't even pass the ball to each other! It was fucking 'kick and rush'!
The plot has been well and truly lost!!

I totally agree with you. Nobody is perfect; sometimes, an easy pass is missed, even at the highest level. Consistently making simple mistakes when passing the ball as a professional footballer is not acceptable, and that was fairly evident throughout the 90 minutes yesterday. Something needs to be done about it soon. Jones is clearly here for at least one more game. Unless we get absolutely battered by Lincoln on Saturday, he won't be fired after that game. If he loses to Mansfield on the 14th, then I think it could be curtains for him.

I also think that the footballing side of the SMT will be holding off on sacking him to cover their own asses. This is their 3rd appointment, I think, so it will reflect poorly on them if Jones does go.

A lot of posters seem to be still clinging to a hope that Jones might turn it round.. "if he does this", "if he does that", if we don't lose or win the next x number, or even if don't get battered at Lincoln. I get the need for hope among fans but that went a while back for many. Jones is an integral part of why we are in this state. The fact we have just been beaten at home by Crawley is just confirmation for a bulk of other fans. Time is up.

WrightCharlie said:

killerandflash said:

AFKABartram said:

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Was worse than that mate as some of those groups opposite in the East were freebies 

It's a new government scheme to reduce prison overcrowding. Minor offenders are released early, but as an alternative punishment have to watch Charlton instead. 

Amnesty International have protested.

Another government scheme down the pan........ the minor offenders have all asked to go back to prison

Too right. Can you imagine what the Human Rights Act lawyers would do after them being made to watch Charlton for another 6 months. This time next year (Rodney) they'd all be millionaires! 

I think that performance knocked most of us for six. I don't want to be disrespectful to Crawley, they did well but I can't recall a more inept performance. I am still trying to work out what the tactics were. This game was a disgrace. I am feeling so down about my team, watching professional footballers who can't control and pass the ball is terrible and I am not including Crawley in that who could. Jones should apologise.

YTS1978 said:

EastTerrace said:

I actually thought Campbell was our most hard working player in the first half and probably the only one on the pitch that look like he wanted to battle. That to me shows what the rest of the team were like.

Leaburn, Edwards shocking. Godden invisible. Taylor, Cov, Gas poor

He does work hard, he's just not very good! Re Godden, we came back from a halftime pint and were trying to work out what changes had been made. I was like "ah, godden's come on, for leaburn maybe?" My mate then had to remind me he'd actually started the game! I mean that says it all really haha!

He didn’t work hard last night . He barely broke a sweat . He didn’t run . He didn’t jump off the ground for headers and he looked overweight and uninterested.

Is it too late to report my dad for historical child abuse in 1971? At least I saw a win in my first game.

ElfsborgAddick said:

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Never a 1000 in the East Stand, so having seen photos of the other two stands you're pretty much right.

Maybe 5,000 home fans? 

Miles was really up for it Huddersfield, geeing up the away end and getting abuse from the home fans, he was very much our talisman on the pitch 

So the two limp performances that have followed this are mysterious.

He is just another in a continuous line of incompetents.  

Bedsaddick said:

YTS1978 said:

EastTerrace said:

I actually thought Campbell was our most hard working player in the first half and probably the only one on the pitch that look like he wanted to battle. That to me shows what the rest of the team were like.

Leaburn, Edwards shocking. Godden invisible. Taylor, Cov, Gas poor

He does work hard, he's just not very good! Re Godden, we came back from a halftime pint and were trying to work out what changes had been made. I was like "ah, godden's come on, for leaburn maybe?" My mate then had to remind me he'd actually started the game! I mean that says it all really haha!

He didn’t work hard last night . He barely broke a sweat . He didn’t run . He didn’t jump off the ground for headers and he looked overweight and uninterested.

Something isn’t right there . 

He also managed to virtually tackle one of our own for the ball and came away with it. I think it was Taylor, who looked mighty surprised when he took the ball from his foot.