POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Crawley Town : Tuesday 3rd December 2024

AndyG

The day after the night before has dawned and if anything Im angrier now that at the full time whistle. NJ is behaving like he is stuck in some kind of loop of failure. He is relentlessly pushing a tactic that clearly isnt working, it was obvious weeks ago to everybody but him. As other people have said it isnt even the results but the performances are dire. Football is an entertainment industry like any other and you need to have a product offering to attract people to spend their money with you. We are being set up to play the most boring anti football style I have ever witnessed as a Charlton fan, not only that but we all just know that come Saturday it will be exactly the same shite he wont change his tactics. I just dont believe that a group of professional footballers can constantly put out performances like that unless they are being directed to play that way by the Manager.

I was fully onboard with the appointment and him getting time but after the last month I think he needs to go, I like most supporters look forward to watching our club on the pitch but these performances make it a chore and tbh Im dreading Saturday now because even if we win we will still have to watch this turgid boring style ! honestly can anyone tell me when was the last time one of our players got you off your seat ! I was critical of Appleton for his negative style but NJ beats him hands down.

I dont care if players like Dixon are ready or not the chance of feeling that brief moment of excitement when they do something is what we all go to watch its called entertainment 

The Red Robin

What’s happened to this high energy etc? It’s too easy to play through us and around us. Lazy. AMB is a shocking goalkeeper. 

The Prince-e-Paul

I wonder what NJ's performance targets are for the season. If the owners don't think he is meeting them, what is being done? I reckon there will be consideration to a panic session in January. 

1) He starts to turn it around over the next 3 weeks and gets the money and permission to continue with the rebuild.

2) He shows no sign of an upturn in performance and results and gets the boot by 1st week of January, and a new manager has the say in yet another overhaul. The problem being yet again, how the hell do we offload more crap  players than we had before?

Redmidland

I can't move on from last night, it's like a reoccurring nightmare...looking back at the 'highlights' (should that be lowlights!), we couldn't even pass the ball to each other! It was fucking 'kick and rush'!
The plot has been well and truly lost!!

NabySarr

Talal said:

se9addick said:

Swisdom said:

I've slept on it.  I'm still furious.

Dreadful, slow, no creativity.
Alan Campbell is not fit to wear the shirt.  Any shirt.  I don't even want him handing out sandwiches - he'd be late for that as he is late for every tackle.

Possibly my lowest point ever as an Addick.  I fucking hate every single one of them right now.
Long ball nonsense.  

Alan Campbell is getting decent marks on the player marks thread which surprises me. He was absolutely atrocious. 

He was probably our best player first half which obviously isn't saying much. I don't rate him at all but not sure why he's getting dug out over others for this one, unless it's just easier to bash a Luton loanee. 

I think it’s because he’s Jones’ man, if Hylton had been in the squad and come on then I’m sure he would have got similar treatment 

Think it’s also because he should be our best player, a couple of years ago he was a big part of a team that got promoted to the prem, and when we signed him we described him as a championship player. But he’s looked average at best, and even that’s being very generous 

Scoham

arny23394 said:

Special mention for Leaburn. He was an absolute disgrace last night and has been a complete carthorse since he returned from injury. He’d be lucky to get another league 1 club off the back of some of his performances this season.

He was rightly taken off but he should be given time rather than being written off.

He was out injured for the best part of a year and has only recently turned 21 years old.

He’s in a team playing awful football.

The service to our strikers is generally poor.

Leaburn and Ahadme both in particular need crosses, but we don’t play with width and don’t have many players with pace. The ones that do don’t always play.

He’s scored 4 this season, all in cups, but I have no doubt he’s capable of doing so in the league in a team playing decent football and provides better service.

Southbank

Talal said:

se9addick said:

Swisdom said:

I've slept on it.  I'm still furious.

Dreadful, slow, no creativity.
Alan Campbell is not fit to wear the shirt.  Any shirt.  I don't even want him handing out sandwiches - he'd be late for that as he is late for every tackle.

Possibly my lowest point ever as an Addick.  I fucking hate every single one of them right now.
Long ball nonsense.  

Alan Campbell is getting decent marks on the player marks thread which surprises me. He was absolutely atrocious. 

He was probably our best player first half which obviously isn't saying much. I don't rate him at all but not sure why he's getting dug out over others for this one, unless it's just easier to bash a Luton loanee. 

I agree,  Campbell's performance was riddled with error, but was still better than the other midfielders. What a state we are in.

eaststandmike

Lincsaddick said:

Can't comprehend how a team that looked so good on Saturday turns into a bunch of useless, quivering wrecks 3 days later .. played off the park, outwitted and outfought by Crawley .. anyway, well done Rob Elliot who must be shaking his head in disbelief at what is the  dishevelled state of his first club as a professional .. too early to say Eliot for manager ?

We have looked good against all the league two and national league sides, that’s our level 

The Prince-e-Paul

eaststandmike said:

Lincsaddick said:

Can't comprehend how a team that looked so good on Saturday turns into a bunch of useless, quivering wrecks 3 days later .. played off the park, outwitted and outfought by Crawley .. anyway, well done Rob Elliot who must be shaking his head in disbelief at what is the  dishevelled state of his first club as a professional .. too early to say Eliot for manager ?

We have looked good against all the league two and national league sides, that’s our level 

I disagree. We are at our level. As Curbs used to say, "The league table doesn't lie!"

We are a consistently average League One side, with a proven track record of being mid-table over multiple seasons. No better, no worse. We will stay at this level until someone changes all that we have been doing up to now.

Einstein said," Insanity, is to keep doing the same thing and to expect a different result!"

I my book that makes Jones insane!!! 

golfaddick

The Prince-e-Paul said:

I wonder what NJ's performance targets are for the season. If the owners don't think he is meeting them, what is being done? I reckon there will be consideration to a panic session in January. 

1) He starts to turn it around over the next 3 weeks and gets the money and permission to continue with the rebuild.

2) He shows no sign of an upturn in performance and results and gets the boot by 1st week of January, and a new manager has the say in yet another overhaul. The problem being yet again, how the hell do we offload more crap  players than we had before?

Should have been written into his contract. X position after y games otherwise your gone with no compensation. Certainly being 4 points off the relegation places after 17 matches is unacceptable. So pressing the button shouldn't come at a price to the club. 

CAFCBill

Redmidland said:

I can't move on from last night, it's like a reoccurring nightmare...looking back at the 'highlights' (should that be lowlights!), we couldn't even pass the ball to each other! It was fucking 'kick and rush'!
The plot has been well and truly lost!!

I totally agree with you. Nobody is perfect; sometimes, an easy pass is missed, even at the highest level. Consistently making simple mistakes when passing the ball as a professional footballer is not acceptable, and that was fairly evident throughout the 90 minutes yesterday. Something needs to be done about it soon. Jones is clearly here for at least one more game. Unless we get absolutely battered by Lincoln on Saturday, he won't be fired after that game. If he loses to Mansfield on the 14th, then I think it could be curtains for him.

I also think that the footballing side of the SMT will be holding off on sacking him to cover their own asses. This is their 3rd appointment, I think, so it will reflect poorly on them if Jones does go.

Dartaddick

Swisdom said:

I've slept on it.  I'm still furious.

Dreadful, slow, no creativity.
Alan Campbell is not fit to wear the shirt.  Any shirt.  I don't even want him handing out sandwiches - he'd be late for that as he is late for every tackle.

Possibly my lowest point ever as an Addick.  I fucking hate every single one of them right now.
Long ball nonsense.  

'Allan Campbell was excellent around the pitch, how he got us on the ball'.  Nathan Jones thinks the opposite!!

swords_alive

A lot of posters seem to be still clinging to a hope that Jones might turn it round.. "if he does this", "if he does that", if we don't lose or win the next x number, or even if don't get battered at Lincoln. I get the need for hope among fans but that went a while back for many. Jones is an integral part of why we are in this state. The fact we have just been beaten at home by Crawley is just confirmation for a bulk of other fans. Time is up.

WrightCharlie

killerandflash said:

AFKABartram said:

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Was worse than that mate as some of those groups opposite in the East were freebies 

It's a new government scheme to reduce prison overcrowding. Minor offenders are released early, but as an alternative punishment have to watch Charlton instead. 

Amnesty International have protested.

Another government scheme down the pan........ the minor offenders have all asked to go back to prison

The Prince-e-Paul

WrightCharlie said:

killerandflash said:

AFKABartram said:

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Was worse than that mate as some of those groups opposite in the East were freebies 

It's a new government scheme to reduce prison overcrowding. Minor offenders are released early, but as an alternative punishment have to watch Charlton instead. 

Amnesty International have protested.

Another government scheme down the pan........ the minor offenders have all asked to go back to prison

Too right. Can you imagine what the Human Rights Act lawyers would do after them being made to watch Charlton for another 6 months. This time next year (Rodney) they'd all be millionaires! 

YTS1978

EastTerrace said:

I actually thought Campbell was our most hard working player in the first half and probably the only one on the pitch that look like he wanted to battle. That to me shows what the rest of the team were like.

Leaburn, Edwards shocking. Godden invisible. Taylor, Cov, Gas poor

He does work hard, he's just not very good! Re Godden, we came back from a halftime pint and were trying to work out what changes had been made. I was like "ah, godden's come on, for leaburn maybe?" My mate then had to remind me he'd actually started the game! I mean that says it all really haha!

MuttleyCAFC

I think that performance knocked most of us for six. I don't want to be disrespectful to Crawley, they did well but I can't recall a more inept performance. I am still trying to work out what the tactics were. This game was a disgrace. I am feeling so down about my team, watching professional footballers who can't control and pass the ball is terrible and I am not including Crawley in that who could. Jones should apologise.

ElfsborgAddick

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Never a 1000 in the East Stand, so having seen photos of the other two stands you're pretty much right.

Bedsaddick

YTS1978 said:

EastTerrace said:

I actually thought Campbell was our most hard working player in the first half and probably the only one on the pitch that look like he wanted to battle. That to me shows what the rest of the team were like.

Leaburn, Edwards shocking. Godden invisible. Taylor, Cov, Gas poor

He does work hard, he's just not very good! Re Godden, we came back from a halftime pint and were trying to work out what changes had been made. I was like "ah, godden's come on, for leaburn maybe?" My mate then had to remind me he'd actually started the game! I mean that says it all really haha!

He didn’t work hard last night . He barely broke a sweat . He didn’t run . He didn’t jump off the ground for headers and he looked overweight and uninterested.

Something isn’t right there . 

YTS1978

ken from bexley said:

Sorry that was a poor performance, and after the first 15  minutes we lost control the game in my opinion. What I saw on TV was a resort to lunching the ball, and often giving it away. Crawley scored a decent goal, because we simply do not close them down, and has been a feature for most of this season. 
I have no idea what has happened to Miles, he seemed to  have lost both his pace and touch, so the question I asked at the Trust AGM, was blanked by Abbott, under player  confidentiality, Personally I think Miles is our best prospect of being the forward that will assist and get goals in the present team, but his 'match fitness ' seems to be some time off to a me as a fan.?  The lad looks in great shape, but launching  balls to him, and expecting him to be our main attacking threat, did not work last night. Back to the drawing board manager?

Miles was way off it yesterday, but to me he looks very top heavy. Just seems to have lost a bit of pace and is too big. Maybe it's match fitness, I dunno? Reminds me of Joe Gomez at Liverpool. He was injured and spent a lot of time working on his upper body while. Klopp told him to cut it out and said something funny like "you only need muscles like this for the beach, not the football pitch"!

ParkinsonOut

Is it too late to report my dad for historical child abuse in 1971? At least I saw a win in my first game.

soapy_jones

ParkinsonOut said:

Is it too late to report my dad for historical child abuse in 1971? At least I saw a win in my first game.

I took my uncle and Grandad to the European Court in 2012,  the tribunal of judges just laughed...Think they were Millwall!

Airman Brown

ElfsborgAddick said:

9goalswentpastperry said:

eaststandmike said:

Braziliance said:

I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief. 

How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides. 

I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.

I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around. 

The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club. 

30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats 

Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground.  Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round. 

Never a 1000 in the East Stand, so having seen photos of the other two stands you're pretty much right.

Maybe 5,000 home fans? 

MuttleyCAFC

What I don't get is the issue with us offensively ought to at least warrant an attempt to fix it. We are too easy to defend against, especially when teams are not open against us. Yesterday there was no width or pace up front. We did have width and pace on the bench. Trying to address an issue that is as clear as day may not be successful but not trying is too concerning for me to continue to support Jones keeping his job. Yesterday was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

killerandflash

Miles was really up for it Huddersfield, geeing up the away end and getting abuse from the home fans, he was very much our talisman on the pitch 

So the two limp performances that have followed this are mysterious.

Bailey

I think the fans have turned now and even those who backed Jones, I did early season, have now seen enough. Pressure is now on, crowds will get lower but more hostile at the slightest mistake or poor ten minutes during the game, last night's performance is definitely a watershed moment. 

soapy_jones

He is just another in a continuous line of incompetents.  

Bailey

killerandflash said:

Miles was really up for it Huddersfield, geeing up the away end and getting abuse from the home fans, he was very much our talisman on the pitch 

So the two limp performances that have followed this are mysterious.

Mysterious indeed, his body language last night looked like a player pissed off, probably through the lack of service or support, I have noticed that he's overplaying but I think that is down to the lack of options around him. 

Scratchingvalleycat

Bedsaddick said:

YTS1978 said:

EastTerrace said:

I actually thought Campbell was our most hard working player in the first half and probably the only one on the pitch that look like he wanted to battle. That to me shows what the rest of the team were like.

Leaburn, Edwards shocking. Godden invisible. Taylor, Cov, Gas poor

He does work hard, he's just not very good! Re Godden, we came back from a halftime pint and were trying to work out what changes had been made. I was like "ah, godden's come on, for leaburn maybe?" My mate then had to remind me he'd actually started the game! I mean that says it all really haha!

He didn’t work hard last night . He barely broke a sweat . He didn’t run . He didn’t jump off the ground for headers and he looked overweight and uninterested.

Something isn’t right there . 

He also managed to virtually tackle one of our own for the ball and came away with it. I think it was Taylor, who looked mighty surprised when he took the ball from his foot.  

Scratchingvalleycat

Some people are making A Campbell man of the match which i really fail to comprehend.