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POST-MATCH THREAD: Exeter City v Charlton Athletic: Sat 9th November 2024: KO 15:00
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Met @Richard J before the game, it was nice to see a mutual friend of Ollie
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Ffs, I sparked @Joesdad and he's gone bitter.Joesdad said:blackpool72 said:Message from Elf’s, get off your Lardy arse, stop moaning and get to a game, bubbles can’t take you everywhereGroundhog day week after week.
Sacking a manager every season will not bring success.
Sooner or later you have to stick with a manager and back him.
But I honestly don't think we will improve this season even when we get a few players back.
Weather Jones can turn it around given timi have no idea but this season is over despite what some on here might say.
Depressing.
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Methven and mates will not start next season with Jones.charltonbob said:
Season is done already mate.Southbank said:Remember that our 3 most effective players last season were not replaced by anybody as good as them, let alone better. They are all 3 playing for clubs higher than us, unsurprisingly. Unless we can bring in 2 attacking midfielders and a striker who can score goals, in January, season is done.(And NJ too I reckon)
Although don't know who would have gone.1 -
Did you go to the game today?Callumcafc said:
Chris Powell: also 41 points from 30 games…newyorkaddick said:Dean Holden: 41 points from 30 games - reasonably attractive football - sacked
Nathan Jones: 41 points from 30 games - dire football - ???0 -
Alan Pardew: also 41 points from 30 games…Callumcafc said:
Chris Powell: also 41 points from 30 games…newyorkaddick said:Dean Holden: 41 points from 30 games - reasonably attractive football - sacked
Nathan Jones: 41 points from 30 games - dire football - ???1 -
The performance is exactly what I predicted..(we didn’t manage to get the goal).
We are terrible. We don’t play as a team. 100% the fault must lay with the coaching. But where do we go from here! I’m seriously getting to the point of not being bothered anymore. There’s only a certain amount you can take. If you look at the money we’ve spent, the players we have brought in, the hype we have been given, that was truly awful! Put whatever spin you want to put on that Jones, but that was really bad. You appear to be out of your depth.9 -
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To be fair, I’d say the EFL trophy and a potential day out at Wembley is about the best we can hope for this season.masicat said:How far have we fallen? Last week we filled the ground just in case a Hollywood A lister might turn up. That is not the behaviour of fans who aspire to be back in the prem. My grandsons are excited because we are playing Bromley on Tuesday. FFS
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As frustrated as I am with yet another poor performance, I cannot get worked up. It is all so very predictable.
At the end of last season it was clear that, yet again, we needed a significant overhaul of the squad in the summer. That was compounded by our 2 best performers from last season leaving. After the initial flurry of 7 signings (Mannion, Mitchell, Edwards, Berry, Docherty, Ahadme and Godden?) I felt we needed an additional 3-4 good quality players for our regular starting 11 in order to sustain a challenge for a play off position. Otherwise I thought somewhere between 7th -12th position at the end of the season was most likely.
Who did we bring in subsequently before the transfer deadline? Campbell, Dixon, Potts and Hyllton. I am sure Jones and the senior club management were hoping he could get a tune out of this squad but realistically was it likely to happen?We are nearly a third of the way through the season, we are mid-table and playing some pretty dire football. People can say we are only 5 points off sixth and if we can go on a run of 3-4 wins we will be back in touch with the play offs. I simply don’t see that happening.7 -
I think it would help a bit if we had a proper captain on the pitch.14
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3 or 4 gilt edged chances, should've put at least one away.6
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I keep thinking of those open internet meetings with the sonorous speaking Rodwell, smooth talking Methwen, rambling Paul Elliot plus the earnest upstart Carter.
They mentioned time and again that building blocks are being put in place and Scott is working hard behind the scenes. At the time I was thinking it all sounds a bit suspect, but more importantly I wondered what our American owners made of it all?
Anyway it seems they may have put some 'building blocks' in place, but the bloke from the council has looked at the foundations and told them to knock it down and start again.
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After my post last night, I've had further time to reflect on yesterday's game. Some people, across SM, are calling for NJ's head, but I stick with my opinion, we can't keep sacking managers, we need to stick with one for at least 2 full seasons. Having 9 players out doesn't help, but, as I said the replacements are generally poor, however yesterday even some of the 'established' were very poor. Both the Mitchell's and Edwards couldn't clear a ball up field they mainly conceded throws and corners, Gillesphey was a liability, Coventry, who I like, was stiffled with no one to play an out ball to, so went backwards and sidewards! Finally Godden didn't have his shooting boots on.
The overall performance was very poor, we couldn't/didn't play to feet, there was little fight until the last 10 mins, and we looked at least a yard off the pace.
We might look good in training, as per NJ's comments, but recently, especially since the loss of Ramsay and Jones, we are just not doing it on a match day!
The board have a decision to make, if it was me, I'd bin off Scott and even Charlie boy. I'd get an experienced DoF in to help NJ (Curbs?), spend 'proper' money in Jan, on attacking midfield 'flair' players, get a winger in, so we have TC and one other. We have Miles, Godden, Kanu up front, Ahadme as well, but we don't supply them enough!
Finally I'd get rid of A. Campbell, send Z. Mitchell and Anderson out on loan, and look to get 1 or 2 prem players on loan, who can pick a pass. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 30+ games to go, this can still be turned around, but it needs the board and NJ to sit down NOW with a new DoF and get the team sorted out! Get our injured players back, and go for it, or this will be another wasted season.
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The more I see it, the worse Godden's miss gets. How we doesn't even hit the target is beyond me4
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American Billionaires tend not to suffer fools gladly.
It's only a question of time before they lose patience with Charlie and his chums.
The thing then is do they replace them all with a new senior management team or do they look to sell up.
Time will tell I suppose.3 -
We might look good in training,because we are playing against our own crappy team mates…& it’s the same tactics or lack of we see on a match day…Redmidland said:After my post last night, I've had further time to reflect on yesterday's game. Some people, across SM, are calling for NJ's head, but I stick with my opinion, we can't keep sacking managers, we need to stick with one for at least 2 full seasons. Having 9 players out doesn't help, but, as I said the replacements are generally poor, however yesterday even some of the 'established' were very poor. Both the Mitchell's and Edwards couldn't clear a ball up field they mainly conceded throws and corners, Gillesphey was a liability, Coventry, who I like, was stiffled with no one to play an out ball to, so went backwards and sidewards! Finally Godden didn't have his shooting boots on.
The overall performance was very poor, we couldn't/didn't play to feet, there was little fight until the last 10 mins, and we looked at least a yard off the pace.
We might look good in training, as per NJ's comments, but recently, especially since the loss of Ramsay and Jones, we are just not doing it on a match day!
The board have a decision to make, if it was me, I'd bin off Scott and even Charlie boy. I'd get an experienced DoF in to help NJ (Curbs?), spend 'proper' money in Jan, on attacking midfield 'flair' players, get a winger in, so we have TC and one other. We have Miles, Godden, Kanu up front, Ahadme as well, but we don't supply them enough!
Finally I'd get rid of A. Campbell, send Z. Mitchell and Anderson out on loan, and look to get 1 or 2 prem players on loan, who can pick a pass. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 30+ games to go, this can still be turned around, but it needs the board and NJ to sit down NOW with a new DoF and get the team sorted out! Get our injured players back, and go for it, or this will be another wasted season.
but do agree we shouldn’t just out NJ right at this moment & see what names appear on the wanted list in Jan/summer any sniff of his Luton friends or any other previous player of his then the alarm bell will sound…!!!3 -
Yea, we have already tried that. Scott did a brilliant job doing exactly that and used 2 different managers, worked out well and achieved what we haven't in 98 years.golfaddick said:
I agree that sacking Jones is not the answer. But I would tell him what system we will be playing & then buy certain players in January to fit into that system and tell him to get on with it.blackpool72 said:Groundhog day week after week.
Sacking a manager every season will not bring success.
Sooner or later you have to stick with a manager and back him.
But I honestly don't think we will improve this season even when we get a few players back.
Weather Jones can turn it around given timi have no idea but this season is over despite what some on here might say.
Depressing.
If he doesn't like it he can walk.4 -
It all just makes me despair. The football is absolutely terrible and aesthetically the worst I've seen in my 56 years of watching.
I'll continue to go at home , but it really is a hard watch. I hoped Jones was the answer, but clearly not.
When will it end?10 -
Surely the objective is progress (meaning promotion). We shouldn’t blindly stick with a manager for two seasons for the sake of it. Just because we’ve been hasty in sacking managers in the last few years, we shouldn’t keep a manager if they clearly aren’t going to work out now just to prove a point and to the detriment of our club.Redmidland said:After my post last night, I've had further time to reflect on yesterday's game. Some people, across SM, are calling for NJ's head, but I stick with my opinion, we can't keep sacking managers, we need to stick with one for at least 2 full seasons. Having 9 players out doesn't help, but, as I said the replacements are generally poor, however yesterday even some of the 'established' were very poor. Both the Mitchell's and Edwards couldn't clear a ball up field they mainly conceded throws and corners, Gillesphey was a liability, Coventry, who I like, was stiffled with no one to play an out ball to, so went backwards and sidewards! Finally Godden didn't have his shooting boots on.
The overall performance was very poor, we couldn't/didn't play to feet, there was little fight until the last 10 mins, and we looked at least a yard off the pace.
We might look good in training, as per NJ's comments, but recently, especially since the loss of Ramsay and Jones, we are just not doing it on a match day!
The board have a decision to make, if it was me, I'd bin off Scott and even Charlie boy. I'd get an experienced DoF in to help NJ (Curbs?), spend 'proper' money in Jan, on attacking midfield 'flair' players, get a winger in, so we have TC and one other. We have Miles, Godden, Kanu up front, Ahadme as well, but we don't supply them enough!
Finally I'd get rid of A. Campbell, send Z. Mitchell and Anderson out on loan, and look to get 1 or 2 prem players on loan, who can pick a pass. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 30+ games to go, this can still be turned around, but it needs the board and NJ to sit down NOW with a new DoF and get the team sorted out! Get our injured players back, and go for it, or this will be another wasted season.
For now, I’d keep Jones, but only and until I’m convinced that even an alternative lower league member of the cavalcade of weirdos and failures that you get to choose from would do a better job.1 -
Just just buy some better quality players. We mostly signed average.2
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Rinse, repeat. We’ve been nothing more than average all season and there is little real signs of improvement. This season is dead in the water before Christmas. Jones was given support in the summer and has managed to do fuck all with it. Team looks devoid of any flair and real goal threat. Dixon isn’t fancied by Jones so what was the point.5
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From a totally selfish point of view this, as i know there are still hundreds of us involved more practically in this football club. I apologise for these sentiments in advance.
The years of grinding mediocrity and deja-vu have often made me think that this glorious old football club is better off a memory, preserved in formaldehyde, lots of memories of better and simpler times, like a fond remembered relative, long gone.
Still it's Sunday morning, Remembetance Day, i am just off to my local church service. Work tomorrow and I will once again be looking forward to what NJ et al will serve up next on the pitch, and how the "faceless" money men who own us will react to our latest woes. I suspect the former will try their limited best and that to the latter, all of us are just numbers on a balance sheet.2 -
I don’t think the players are as bad as the results suggest , it’s NJ who has got us underperforming.
Too much crab football and not enough front foot stuff , you have to take risks going forward and of the midfield only TT looks to do anything of note moving forward (now TC is out injured )
Godden and Leaburn are good enough and on another day would have nicked a goal or two yesterday .
This season isn’t done yet , we just need a change of approach because the current one Nut Job is putting out there is not good enough, the whole is lesser than the sum of its parts .10 -
Worst group of players we have ever had? I mean, that's not even the case if this is your second season.IR94 said:This is the worse group of players we have ever had, the likes of Gillesphy, REG, Anderson, Campbell, Hylton are standard non-league players, the rest bar leaburn, Jones, Ramsey are not far better. I despise Jones tactics, but change of managers wont see this group progress much further, its a horribly shaped squad with no creativity and Jones has to take the blame for that. I Genuinely wouldn't care if they all were sold tbh; the few likable fans favorites we had last year in May and Dobson were sold, its truly a rotten group of poor players
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I don’t think it’s far off the worst squad we’ve had in relatively modern times (say 90’s until now).rikofold said:
Worst group of players we have ever had? I mean, that's not even the case if this is your second season.IR94 said:This is the worse group of players we have ever had, the likes of Gillesphy, REG, Anderson, Campbell, Hylton are standard non-league players, the rest bar leaburn, Jones, Ramsey are not far better. I despise Jones tactics, but change of managers wont see this group progress much further, its a horribly shaped squad with no creativity and Jones has to take the blame for that. I Genuinely wouldn't care if they all were sold tbh; the few likable fans favorites we had last year in May and Dobson were sold, its truly a rotten group of poor players0 -
Not a great deal between last season and this season to be honest.rikofold said:
Worst group of players we have ever had? I mean, that's not even the case if this is your second season.IR94 said:This is the worse group of players we have ever had, the likes of Gillesphy, REG, Anderson, Campbell, Hylton are standard non-league players, the rest bar leaburn, Jones, Ramsey are not far better. I despise Jones tactics, but change of managers wont see this group progress much further, its a horribly shaped squad with no creativity and Jones has to take the blame for that. I Genuinely wouldn't care if they all were sold tbh; the few likable fans favorites we had last year in May and Dobson were sold, its truly a rotten group of poor players
When fit I would say our Defence is better than last season.
But the midfield minus Dobson and Blackett Taylor is woefully devoid of any flair.
Up front we are definitely weaker without May.
So overall I'd say not a lot in it.10 -
With everyone fit and available I think last seasons best XI would beat this seasons (it would be an awful match between two terrible sides mind!).blackpool72 said:
Not a great deal between last season and this season to be honest.rikofold said:
Worst group of players we have ever had? I mean, that's not even the case if this is your second season.IR94 said:This is the worse group of players we have ever had, the likes of Gillesphy, REG, Anderson, Campbell, Hylton are standard non-league players, the rest bar leaburn, Jones, Ramsey are not far better. I despise Jones tactics, but change of managers wont see this group progress much further, its a horribly shaped squad with no creativity and Jones has to take the blame for that. I Genuinely wouldn't care if they all were sold tbh; the few likable fans favorites we had last year in May and Dobson were sold, its truly a rotten group of poor players
When fit I would say our Defence is better than last season.
But the midfield minus Dobson and Blackett Taylor is woefully devoid of any flair.
Up front we are definitely weaker without May.
So overall I'd say not a lot in it.8 -
Was baffled that he played the full 90 despite being probably the worst of the 4 midfielders. Taylor was the best and was subbed first? Then we could barely beat the first man with the set pieces we had at the end of the gameredbuttle said:I think it would help a bit if we had a proper captain on the pitch.2 -
I understand what you're saying, but changing managers as regular as we have hasn't worked either. There is also no stand-out candidate that I can think of, right now, that would change things dramatically in my opinion. However if it doesn't improve after Jan then we'll have to review, but I'm still in the NJ camp, for now.se9addick said:
Surely the objective is progress (meaning promotion). We shouldn’t blindly stick with a manager for two seasons for the sake of it. Just because we’ve been hasty in sacking managers in the last few years, we shouldn’t keep a manager if they clearly aren’t going to work out now just to prove a point and to the detriment of our club.Redmidland said:After my post last night, I've had further time to reflect on yesterday's game. Some people, across SM, are calling for NJ's head, but I stick with my opinion, we can't keep sacking managers, we need to stick with one for at least 2 full seasons. Having 9 players out doesn't help, but, as I said the replacements are generally poor, however yesterday even some of the 'established' were very poor. Both the Mitchell's and Edwards couldn't clear a ball up field they mainly conceded throws and corners, Gillesphey was a liability, Coventry, who I like, was stiffled with no one to play an out ball to, so went backwards and sidewards! Finally Godden didn't have his shooting boots on.
The overall performance was very poor, we couldn't/didn't play to feet, there was little fight until the last 10 mins, and we looked at least a yard off the pace.
We might look good in training, as per NJ's comments, but recently, especially since the loss of Ramsay and Jones, we are just not doing it on a match day!
The board have a decision to make, if it was me, I'd bin off Scott and even Charlie boy. I'd get an experienced DoF in to help NJ (Curbs?), spend 'proper' money in Jan, on attacking midfield 'flair' players, get a winger in, so we have TC and one other. We have Miles, Godden, Kanu up front, Ahadme as well, but we don't supply them enough!
Finally I'd get rid of A. Campbell, send Z. Mitchell and Anderson out on loan, and look to get 1 or 2 prem players on loan, who can pick a pass. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 30+ games to go, this can still be turned around, but it needs the board and NJ to sit down NOW with a new DoF and get the team sorted out! Get our injured players back, and go for it, or this will be another wasted season.
For now, I’d keep Jones, but only and until I’m convinced that even an alternative lower league member of the cavalcade of weirdos and failures that you get to choose from would do a better job.4 -
Someone said during closed season , we are looking to bring players in who can perform inTonyWebstersShed said:
Take your point but the more immediate problem is we don't seem to have enough players who can play at League 1 level.Scoham said:
My point was most of the injured players don’t get in the starting 11, and those that are good subs wouldn’t have changed the poor first half.msomerton said:Scoham said:Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
We do have injuries, but that points up is that ever season we have large squad but the back ups are not as good as the best starting eleven, and they are not thst good.Scoham said:Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven.
We have never has a squad any where near that good.
Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
On wages probably around there, the clubs share their budgets which is why Methven is able to estimate that’s how much we’re spending.
You don’t need 20-25 top quality players. Bowyer and Powell had plenty of average players making up their squads. Other clubs weren’t jealous that we had the likes of Wagstaff, Evina, Reeves, Marshall etc.
What this squad doesn’t have is enough players who could play at Championship level. We were supposed to get they in Docherty, Campbell and so on, but they look nowhere near it.
The Championship for us as well.Whoever that was , was pulling the wool over the supporters eyes.
The Owners need to stand up and tell us who is at fault for the mess we are in.3
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