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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Wrexham: Saturday 26th October 2024: KO 15:00
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Presumably because the referee who started the game was injured so the linesman/fourth officials needed to step up.guinnessaddick said:
Interestingly the referees assessor ended up after halftime down on the touchline as fourth official.
Either way it was the correct decision.5 -
I'd have him behind Ramsay and Jones, and possibly TC. But either way, I think we're agreed that CC isn't the problem. Overall we have a very poor midfield, but there are two or three ahead of him in the 'must upgrade' stakes. I hope we see some action in the transfer window, but I'm not holding my breath.Smithy said:Bit late to the debate on this one but Coventry has been our second best player this season in my opinion, behind Ramsay. It's actually mental that he's the one who gets dug out when every other midifelder has been consistently poor. He got sat on his arse once by Dobson but otherwise had an ok game, once again limited by a complete lack of movement around him.1 -
People do forget that part of the reason - not all of it but part of it - that Coventry passes sideways and backwards so much is because his job as the deepest midfielder is to take care of the ball first and foremost. If he was winning the ball back, which he does very well, and shifting it along to a player who would drive up the pitch then there would be no issue. If we had some width that he could aim for on the flanks or players stretching teams to create space for our players then we might see some more creative passing but next time he gets the ball just look at how static we are, or look at how the only open player in front of him will get swarmed as soon as he receives the ball or have no passing options open to him once he receives it. Giving someone the ball who has nowhere to go and can only lose it is just half a step removed from giving it away. The players really don't make it easy for each other12
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Taylor doesn't seem to have a problem with finding more forward / positive passes.
The other problem with Coventry is he doesn't have a sense of the space behind him and won't turn and move into it and get us playing. If he receives the ball with his back to goal, it either goes straight backwards again or to the side.
I would hope a 'top-end' DM would be able to play more on the half-turn and find the big switch when the space is open on the other side. He's not got this in the locker, currently.
He's a decent player, he's just not great or as good as what we had.3 -
The funniest thing about this, is that I thought he was one of the less shit referees we've had this season.guinnessaddick said:
I also love the "controversial" bit. Only controversial to about 50% of the Wrexham fan base, the other half who seem to agree with, oooooh I don't know, the rest of the fucking world.6 -
Only 9 seasons? That’s not bad going. It took Wrexham 15 to get out!guinnessaddick said:9 -
Weirdest thing about this tweet is they agree it's the right decision in the repliesguinnessaddick said:0 -
Definitely a penalty,no doubt about it3
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🤝TheHerminator said:
I'll have that bet with you.paulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?paulsturgess said:
let me know your bet, @callumcafcpaulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.perhaps we can just simply have a 50 quid charity bet to demelza house - Jones isnt getting us into the play offs or promoted this season. And I hope you win!!
I'm in the 'things will click soon' camp and think we'll go on a run that will ultimately see us finish 5th or 6th
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I seem to remember when most of the previous recent managers were in charge, their plan was to create opportunities, thus an 'out' for the player in possession was the key to passing flowing football, gaining momentum and movement up the pith. This seems like a tall order, either for this team, or when applying the Jones tactics.Smithy said:Bit late to the debate on this one but Coventry has been our second best player this season in my opinion, behind Ramsay. It's actually mental that he's the one who gets dug out when every other midifelder has been consistently poor. He got sat on his arse once by Dobson but otherwise had an ok game, once again limited by a complete lack of movement around him.
I'm not suggesting that the league opposition is anything to get excited about, but when we have reportedly spent a top 6 budget, we don't have at the very least, attractive football. The business model for success, surely needs to include attracting fans (revenue) but also players. If our system / style is viewed by fans to be very dull and also ineffective, how will we attract the better players?1 - Sponsored links:
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Agreed unless your being deliberately obtuse this team is better than it was last year, yes you can point at individual players however as a team we look so much more robust, I feel the squad is still gelling aswell,BigDiddy said:NJ is a good manager and we need to support the club.
Saturday was a great atmosphere and as others have said it will take time.
I am much more positive now than when the twat Appleton was our manager.
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However i do look at this team and see a lack of steelness and characters compared to the promotion winning seasons.0 -
Coventry absolutely can contribute to us playing attractive football. He has a very specific playing style which we knew about when we chose to sign him, and Jones knew about when choosing signings to play with him. He will not make darting runs forward or constantly try to play through balls, because that's not his style and it's also not actually his job in this setup. I'm not saying he's a world beater but if he had attacking players around him he'd look a lot better.The Prince-e-Paul said:
I seem to remember when most of the previous recent managers were in charge, their plan was to create opportunities, thus an 'out' for the player in possession was the key to passing flowing football, gaining momentum and movement up the pith. This seems like a tall order, either for this team, or when applying the Jones tactics.Smithy said:Bit late to the debate on this one but Coventry has been our second best player this season in my opinion, behind Ramsay. It's actually mental that he's the one who gets dug out when every other midifelder has been consistently poor. He got sat on his arse once by Dobson but otherwise had an ok game, once again limited by a complete lack of movement around him.
I'm not suggesting that the league opposition is anything to get excited about, but when we have reportedly spent a top 6 budget, we don't have at the very least, attractive football. The business model for success, surely needs to include attracting fans (revenue) but also players. If our system / style is viewed by fans to be very dull and also ineffective, how will we attract the better players?1 -
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Fuck me are those Welsh cnuts still bleating over that obvious penalty, whilst conveniently forgetting the ABH that took place minutes before and led up to the event directly?
Have they not sheep to tup or bed down for the winter?
Seems this Hollywood thing has affected a club, which up to Deadpool and the other geezer was just tin pot amoungst a majority of other tin pot clubs floundering their way through the lower leagues of British football.
Fuck off Parkinson, had a lot more respect for you before all this shit. They are given or not and you will surely benefit from the same over the course of a season.1 -
He subbed the injured ref and did better than a lot of refs at league one level. I think it was a penalty because the defender could have had is arm behind his back or accross his torso. He could even have tried to take his arm away. It could have led to a goal without his intervention. I would be saying it if it was against us. Sour grapes and pathetic ones at that.C_D_R_M said:0 -
‘Controversial penalty’ hahahaha
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If only we did the above when I called it back in October.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Hopefully we try something different in the two football league trophy games we have coming up.We know TC is best on the wing & I’d like to see Small & Dixon given minutes as wide men in a front 3 with Leaburn (to see if one of them can be the answer to the other flank).
It would be hard to create less than what we currently do, so has to be worth experimenting with.
We’re definitely not gonna catch the top 6 playing the way we currently play. Clueless going forward.
Were a completely different team with Small in the side (& would be in the playoffs by now if we had introduced this formation earlier)1 -
If have been saying al season that Small has to start. Even when he wasn't playing his best. The reason is I think power and pace is massive at this level. When you have it, you have to use it. Well we are now. Ramsey has power and pace too although he is just returning from a long injury lay off as does TC, having built himself up since last season. You don't get three players of this type in League One sides. Aneke doesn't give us pace, but when he comes on, he gives us an XL helping of power.2
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What’s even more impressive about Small’s form is the formation is 5-3-2 when we don’t have the ball - he’s defending as a wing back and attacking as a winger. It’s made it clear he’s one of our fittest players, if not the fittest.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
If only we did the above when I called it back in October.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Hopefully we try something different in the two football league trophy games we have coming up.We know TC is best on the wing & I’d like to see Small & Dixon given minutes as wide men in a front 3 with Leaburn (to see if one of them can be the answer to the other flank).
It would be hard to create less than what we currently do, so has to be worth experimenting with.
We’re definitely not gonna catch the top 6 playing the way we currently play. Clueless going forward.
Were a completely different team with Small in the side (& would be in the playoffs by now if we had introduced this formation earlier)
TC is benefitting from not having to track back as he defends as one of the front two, but he’s still showing a lot of energy. He did well yesterday dropping deep and turning. In other games the opposition will press higher and that’s where he can use his pace to make runs in behind.
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Quite right and to be fair nearly all supporters were saying we needed wide players and an attacking midfielder before the season even started.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
If only we did the above when I called it back in October.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Hopefully we try something different in the two football league trophy games we have coming up.We know TC is best on the wing & I’d like to see Small & Dixon given minutes as wide men in a front 3 with Leaburn (to see if one of them can be the answer to the other flank).
It would be hard to create less than what we currently do, so has to be worth experimenting with.
We’re definitely not gonna catch the top 6 playing the way we currently play. Clueless going forward.
Were a completely different team with Small in the side (& would be in the playoffs by now if we had introduced this formation earlier)
We possibly could have been top 6 all season if the manager had thought the same and only changed it when the calls for his sacking started.4 - Sponsored links:
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Taken me forever to find this post and bet, thought it was on the Jones out thread…paulsturgess said:
🤝TheHerminator said:
I'll have that bet with you.paulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?paulsturgess said:
let me know your bet, @callumcafcpaulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.perhaps we can just simply have a 50 quid charity bet to demelza house - Jones isnt getting us into the play offs or promoted this season. And I hope you win!!
I'm in the 'things will click soon' camp and think we'll go on a run that will ultimately see us finish 5th or 6th
I really hope you win!
congrats to both
@Callumcafc and
@TheHerminatorSo very happy to be paying out as the rampant loser of this bet and have doubled the winnings for Demelza, as not only did we make the play offs… 🙏
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Top bloke @paulsturgess1
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Well played matepaulsturgess said:
Taken me forever to find this post and bet, thought it was on the Jones out thread…paulsturgess said:
🤝TheHerminator said:
I'll have that bet with you.paulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?paulsturgess said:
let me know your bet, @callumcafcpaulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.perhaps we can just simply have a 50 quid charity bet to demelza house - Jones isnt getting us into the play offs or promoted this season. And I hope you win!!
I'm in the 'things will click soon' camp and think we'll go on a run that will ultimately see us finish 5th or 6th
I really hope you win!
congrats to both
@Callumcafc and
@TheHerminatorSo very happy to be paying out as the rampant loser of this bet and have doubled the winnings for Demelza, as not only did we make the play offs… 🙏1
