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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Wrexham: Saturday 26th October 2024: KO 15:00
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se9addick said:Come on now lads, Cullen is a much better player than Coventry.
As Cullen has played in the Premier and Championship and Coventry was let go by West ham and came to a League 1 team suggests you are correct.1 -
I'm a big fan of Jones and Mitchell. I just don't need to defend them from our fanbase because everyone else seems to like them tooChunes said:You had Sarr, Innis then Hector... Then we finally sign a CB who is very good, but you're not interested, you've run off and gone for a midfielder!5 -
If we had a X-factor player then possibly this bunch might Gel and flow in movement instead of coagulation occurring.
Unfortunately, we have too many Y-factor players ?
Y did we sign them 🤦🏻♂️7 -
Nobody is even calling Coventry a bad player, even his fans on here are just pointing out his limitations, which is completely fair.Leuth said:
I'm a big fan of Jones and Mitchell. I just don't need to defend them from our fanbase because everyone else seems to like them tooChunes said:You had Sarr, Innis then Hector... Then we finally sign a CB who is very good, but you're not interested, you've run off and gone for a midfielder!4 -
Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
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How often does Coventry have another midfielder in front of him to whom he can pass the ball? Hardly ever, based on my own observation.Doomer Jon said:
Totally. Coventry has been watching Ray 'The Crab' Wilkins videos for inspiration. Great guy Ray was, mind.Nadou said:Dobson or Coventry? No contest. Does Coventry ever do anything except pass side or back? Dobson's sublime pass led to their goal.0 -
''Did we sell a lot of half and half scarves Gavin?''
'' I think we did! They certainly kept everyone talking about the game!''
Pass me the bucket.9 -
They really aren't.Leuth said:
Cullen was everything he isn't? Please explain. Coventry is a great reader of the game defensively, strong in the tackle, gets everywhere and is tidy on the ball. Cullen had a bit more forward passing ability and dead-ball ability, but on every other metric they're about the same?Croydon said:
Coventry also loses massively if you're doing that comparison. Cullen was everything he isn't, and everything that we desperately need in the middle of the park.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
If I had to draw a comparison I would say Coventry is a lower league version of Cullen.
But definitely not as good as.1 -
And how well does it go when he passes to, say, Anderson? Near-guaranteed possession losssm said:
How often does Coventry have another midfielder in front of him to whom he can pass the ball? Hardly ever, based on my own observation.Doomer Jon said:
Totally. Coventry has been watching Ray 'The Crab' Wilkins videos for inspiration. Great guy Ray was, mind.Nadou said:Dobson or Coventry? No contest. Does Coventry ever do anything except pass side or back? Dobson's sublime pass led to their goal.1 -
Post-match thread with two full pages talking about Cullen says a lot about the game yesterday.2
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the bloke seems a complete twat.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.7 -
Jones has no idea what our best xi is.
Who out of the available squad are MUST starts?
For me it's only Edwards and A Mitchell and Tupac. i might include Taylor as he seems to be the only player we have who can take set pieces.
The current formation isn't working. I'm not buying all this, "we're only three points from the Play Offs". Six points from the last seven matches is relegation form.
We're really missing Jones, Ramsay and Kanu. Not to mention a few others.4 -
Along with all the SMT.Hartleypete said:
the bloke seems a complete twat.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
piss off with all the gimics and buy some players good enough to get us out of this shit league.10 -
Then, will they come ?Davo55 said:
I don't feel quite as positive as Callum on this (NJ does seem to struggle to know the most effective formation, he has overseen some glaring errors in transfer business, there is insufficient emphasis on attacking and scoring)......BUT where I do agree is.........Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
He has been in charge for less than nine months and he has had only one transfer window to get things done. He needs and deserves more time to build on the positive improvements he has made so far. It sometimes feels like we are addicted to change, too ready to roll the dice again in the hope that somehow we will appoint an unknown or journeyman manager who will somehow magic up instant success at a club that's been a basket case for the past decade or more. It just isn't going to happen. We need to be patient, we need to build.
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Bit harsh!arny23394 said:Hard to put into words how bad we actually are at football.If I had the money and contacts, I’d have someone break Allan Campbells legs in the car park at the end of the next match.As for Wrexham, it really sums up how shit this league is that they are second.
What I would say is, he clearly bottled going for a ball in their half which eventually resulted in the ball ending up in the back of our net.0 -
It stands to reason that having a near sell out crowd in 2024 would bring "record receipts" when comparing it to the Premier League days 20 years ago. Standard Adult tickets were £30 a pop.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
It's called inflation Mr Carter.4 -
How you going to do that without income?blackpool72 said:
Along with all the SMT.Hartleypete said:
the bloke seems a complete twat.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
piss off with all the gimics and buy some players good enough to get us out of this shit league.1 -
The Billionaire owners have plenty of money and it's in their interest to get out of this league as soon as possible.AberystwythAddick said:
How you going to do that without income?blackpool72 said:
Along with all the SMT.Hartleypete said:
the bloke seems a complete twat.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
piss off with all the gimics and buy some players good enough to get us out of this shit league.
Once they realise that Methven and his merry bunch of men are not up to delivering promotion I'm hoping they will replace them with competent football people.
I think Methven promised they could achieve it on the cheap, which they obviously can't.
Sooner they are replaced the better.6 -
Was very critical and disillusioned yesterday by where we currently find ourselves but after sleeping on it I take some comfort from reading some of the more upbeat posts. I think this group as is aren’t quite good enough to reach top six. Not a million miles off but still off. Providing we don’t lose all contact with 5th and 6th place I think if the owners are ambitious enough in January to sign a couple of players to get us some more goal threat then I think all might not be lost. In all honesty I think the season depends on what business is now done in January.8
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The Charlton curse is in full flow ! Injury crisis setting in at RB !The last few games haven’t been great but we have not lost to teams who will be there or thereabouts surely that shows we can compete but the damage is done as always with us when we drop points against teams we should be beating comfortably0
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I still think oddly that he will find his best side soon and we’ll click. Genuinely don’t know why.
but you can’t ignore the fact that despite playing poorly and with no consistency we’re still in touch. Just. We’re also not losing, which is no coincidence in the main.
i work with a die hard Luton fan. He says what he sees at Charlton now is almost exactly what happens at Luton.It took time to implement and settle but it clicked eventually.
we’re still a player or two short in my opinion, but not as far off as some here keep saying we are24 -
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.1 -
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.0 -
Nah you’ve got to accept you’re just being delusional mate. Only woe is me posts allowed!TheHerminator said:I still think oddly that he will find his best side soon and we’ll click. Genuinely don’t know why.
but you can’t ignore the fact that despite playing poorly and with no consistency we’re still in touch. Just. We’re also not losing, which is no coincidence in the main.
i work with a die hard Luton fan. He says what he sees at Charlton now is almost exactly what happens at Luton.It took time to implement and settle but it clicked eventually.
we’re still a player or two short in my opinion, but not as far off as some here keep saying we are2 -
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.13 -
It would have upheld it as it was a ricochet from Mitchell's tackle. It could have gone anywhere but unfortunately it fell for their player.Todds_right_hook said:
What would var have made of their 2nd. Looked off side to me?MuttleyCAFC said:If we had VAR, the penalty decision would have been upheld.0 -
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?blackpool72 said:
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.5 -
We’re becoming increasingly prolific in our own penalty areaguinnessaddick said:
https://x.com/Astro1102/status/1850284856212693279Bailey said:The criticism of Mannion's recent performances need to be measured out with the loss of Lloyd Jones, that's probably true of Mitchell as well. I have looked at yesterdays first goal conceded and it flies off Coventry's head into the net, no way could Mannion come and get it and if he had got a hand to it then it would have been a wonder save. He also saved one shot down to his right in the second half and unlike his mistake at Barnsley he used the balls momentum to push it wide, he's learning.
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What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.Callumcafc said:
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?blackpool72 said:
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results.
We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years.
We have only won one of our last 7 league matches.
So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.9 -
NoHartleypete said:
the bloke seems a complete twat.Braziliance said:Ffs. Gavin Carter in the CharltonLive chat.
He is not a complete Twat
He is a life long Charlton fan - someone who puts his Wallet where his mouth is having put millions into the club14
