I'd like to know who these couple of good players are that people hope will come in during the January window and improve our squad so that we become really top six (ie. 1 in 4 chance of promotion) material.
This time last year, or even by 20th jan 2024 had you heard of either small or Ramsay?
I have a theory about what's going on here, spurred on by the repeat discussion of Alfie May. We saw Jones test Alfie in the #10 role briefly last season before dropping and restoring back to being a forward. Looking at what Anderson/Berry/Campbell do I genuinely believe that Jones' issue with Alfie is his 'lack' of physicality and dogged, disciplined pressing. Jones clearly has a favoured style of a big man up top causing problems for defenders, he's so set on this that he was willing to punt on Ahadme (his comments about Hylton of 5 years ago being a good signing for us, arms this theory for me). This leads me to believe that I don't think we'll see the creative midfielder we all want to see signed in Jan, I think we're more likely to get another version of A.Campbell, Doc, Anderson etc al.
So I feel we have a manager, who is wedded to a brand of football he was able to get out of one set of players. I think this is limiting what our squad is capable of as they're being told the only way to win a game is to physically outcompete the opposition. This tactic could work IF we had the cohesion and buy in from the squad. We clearly don't have the cohesion at the moment, the buy in is debatable. This post is not also me suggesting Jones needs to go, more just a reflection of what we're seeing. I genuinely don't know how we proceed outside of writing this season off and giving Jones at least until this time next year (provided we aren't in any danger of going down) and hopefully witness an evolution in playing style & ultimately results.
I have a theory about what's going on here, spurred on by the repeat discussion of Alfie May. We saw Jones test Alfie in the #10 role briefly last season before dropping and restoring back to being a forward. Looking at what Anderson/Berry/Campbell do I genuinely believe that Jones' issue with Alfie is his 'lack' of physicality and dogged, disciplined pressing. Jones clearly has a favoured style of a big man up top causing problems for defenders, he's so set on this that he was willing to punt on Ahadme (his comments about Hylton of 5 years ago being a good signing for us, arms this theory for me). This leads me to believe that I don't think we'll see the creative midfielder we all want to see signed in Jan, I think we're more likely to get another version of A.Campbell, Doc, Anderson etc al.
So I feel we have a manager, who is wedded to a brand of football he was able to get out of one set of players. I think this is limiting what our squad is capable of as they're being told the only way to win a game is to physically outcompete the opposition. This tactic could work IF we had the cohesion and buy in from the squad. We clearly don't have the cohesion at the moment, the buy in is debatable. This post is not also me suggesting Jones needs to go, more just a reflection of what we're seeing. I genuinely don't know how we proceed outside of writing this season off and giving Jones at least until this time next year (provided we aren't in any danger of going down) and hopefully witness an evolution in playing style & ultimately results.
Precisely what I think and have said elsewhere on CL.
Cor,theres some real sour grapes from the rexsum side of things,parky,mclean etc all crying about the penalty. Funny none of them mention the outrageous foul on TC that led to the free kick from which the penalty was awarded. Clear as day its a pen,talk about blinkered.
I have a theory about what's going on here, spurred on by the repeat discussion of Alfie May. We saw Jones test Alfie in the #10 role briefly last season before dropping and restoring back to being a forward. Looking at what Anderson/Berry/Campbell do I genuinely believe that Jones' issue with Alfie is his 'lack' of physicality and dogged, disciplined pressing. Jones clearly has a favoured style of a big man up top causing problems for defenders, he's so set on this that he was willing to punt on Ahadme (his comments about Hylton of 5 years ago being a good signing for us, arms this theory for me). This leads me to believe that I don't think we'll see the creative midfielder we all want to see signed in Jan, I think we're more likely to get another version of A.Campbell, Doc, Anderson etc al.
So I feel we have a manager, who is wedded to a brand of football he was able to get out of one set of players. I think this is limiting what our squad is capable of as they're being told the only way to win a game is to physically outcompete the opposition. This tactic could work IF we had the cohesion and buy in from the squad. We clearly don't have the cohesion at the moment, the buy in is debatable. This post is not also me suggesting Jones needs to go, more just a reflection of what we're seeing. I genuinely don't know how we proceed outside of writing this season off and giving Jones at least until this time next year (provided we aren't in any danger of going down) and hopefully witness an evolution in playing style & ultimately results.
No He is not a complete Twat He is a life long Charlton fan - someone who puts his Wallet where his mouth is having put millions into the club
A lifelong Charlton fan who puts millions (how do you know how much he put in?) into the club & thinks that half & half scarves with Wrexham is a good idea. He sounds like a complete twat to me & someone who doesn't understand football fans. Hope you bought your half & half scarf
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
'The much better than last season' argument is based on what exactly? Not on points, that is for sure. We have the same number of points so far as in the last 12 games of last season. 'Harder to beat', we have lost more games this season than in the last 12 of last season. 'Good signings', nobody has really impressed except Ramsay and Mitchell. It is delusional to think we have improved, and not based on facts.
Depends what you call a token amount Have heard it’s a significant amount and well over £1 mill He also fly’s over from Canada for most games My acception was to him being called a Twat
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Yes Godden instead of May, Coventry or any of the past it ex Luton boys instead of Dobson.
ahadme, hylton ? Dreadful signings. "signs of a decent team needing consistency" ? We have a manager who doesn't seem to know what his best starting eleven is, he changes formation & team selection every week. How can we get consistency ? I thought Jones was a major coup at this level. Sadly it just seems another depressing disaster.
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
One point better off only
We won 11 games last season, we’ve won 5 already this season
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
One point better off only
We won 11 games last season, we’ve won 5 already this season
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).
Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.
I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.
'The much better than last season' argument is based on what exactly? Not on points, that is for sure. We have the same number of points so far as in the last 12 games of last season. 'Harder to beat', we have lost more games this season than in the last 12 of last season. 'Good signings', nobody has really impressed except Ramsay and Mitchell. It is delusional to think we have improved, and not based on facts.
The problem with last season is that when it went bad, it went REALLY bad. It’s about now, first round of the cup, that everything took a nosedive.
Conversely, we’re not far off 2018/19’s point tally either and when that went good, it went REALLY good. It’s about now where things really kicked into gear, through the spring months and the playoffs.
Both seasons are extreme examples and we will probably fall somewhere in the middle of them as per my agreement with 69-73 points in my post above.
Let’s revisit this argument in 10 or 15 games and if we’ve repeated last season’s god awful run putting the playoffs out of the question then I’ll happily agree we have made no progress since last season.
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
One point better off only
We won 11 games last season, we’ve won 5 already this season
We had already won 5 by this point of last season too - which further underlines the point about the nosedive last season took from the beginning of November onwards.
If we only win 6 more games between now and the end of the season I will get Michael Appleton’s face tattooed on my backside.
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
One point better off only
We won 11 games last season, we’ve won 5 already this season
We had already won 5 by this point of last season too - which further underlines the point about the nosedive last season took from the beginning of November onwards.
If we only win 6 more games between now and the end of the season I will get Michael Appleton’s face tattooed on my backside.
I do wonder if we are being too hard on this team of league one players when we say we’ve been shit in most games. We have to remember where we are. League One is not the PL. Aside from Birmingham, who despite us beating them you could see they had quality, every other team I’ve seen are no better than us. Perhaps it’s just the standard of League One?? And ergo we have as much chance of any of getting promoted as any other team.
It’s a dog awful league and we’ve been in it for too long. I’m sure the players are aware of the pressure that brings and maybe that pressure prevents them from excelling on the pitch. Scared to play the forward pass. Easier to play in safe mode. It’s no coincidence that the Brum game was the best we’ve played as the pressure was lifted by the fact we were expected to get rolled over. A kind of free hit.
We’re uneaten in four (against sides above us) and we’re also showing some doggedness to not get beat. This has to instil some confidence and hopefully we may see them play a little more free 🙏🏼
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results. We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years. We have only won one of our last 7 league matches. So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
This.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.
What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.
We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction
One point better off only
We won 11 games last season, we’ve won 5 already this season
Whoop whoop! 😃
I was responding to a post saying we are no better off this season than last, we clearly are better than last year
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).
Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.
I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.
perhaps we can just simply have a 50 quid charity bet to demelza house - Jones isnt getting us into the play offs or promoted this season. And I hope you win!!
Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.
Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.
Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.
The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.
I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Squad - minus May, minus Dobson. INs that have made a meaningful impact , thus far, only Mitchell and then to a lesser extent mannion and Edwards. I would say the squad would be better minus those 3 but + the lost 2. The best players this season thus far , jones, Ramsay and Coventry (I also really rate Small), were in Jones’ squad last season
no, I won’t put money down that we finish worse than 16th, but I will put money down that we don’t exceed the 1.6 pts per game Jones achieved as manager with the squad he had last season (excluding the Reading game which he didn’t count), or the 1.5 pts per game Jones achieved as manager (including the Reading game which he didn’t count). Let me know your bet.
And yes, my opinion _is_ balanced. Ie im considering the actual evidence, the “on another days” that might have gone both for us AND those that might have gone against us, our ACTUAL league position, and our ACTUAL performances across the entire season, ie the positives (Birmingham, half of Stockport, potentially Bolton) and the mediocre or bad performances (pretty much everything else).
Your views seem to be based solely on hypotheses eg we’re not far off the play offs, we’re not far away from it clicking, give it another window, if only we hadn’t conceded to Barnsley, if only me auntie had bollocks etc etc.
by the way, we were in touch with the play offs this time last season under Appleton when we had an almost identical record after 13 games.
I’m judging on the facts and evidence thus far. If I saw reason for excitement I’d be all over it. I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around so that Birmingham becomes the rule not the exception. But in the meantime I’m not burying my head in the sand based on blind hope.
I reckon 1.5 / 1.6 points per game and a final points total of somewhere around 69-73 is about what I expect come the end of the season so perhaps we’re not that far away in our assessments as we think?
I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.
perhaps we can just simply have a 50 quid charity bet to demelza house - Jones isnt getting us into the play offs or promoted this season. And I hope you win!!
I'll have that bet with you.
I'm in the 'things will click soon' camp and think we'll go on a run that will ultimately see us finish 5th or 6th
I think everyone acknowledges the spell when we were utter guff with appleton and didn't win for a load of matches was appalling From what I've read we are one point ahead from the first 13 games played last season what some are saying is that we finished the season, basically the Jones era, doing better than we are currently doing now .
what I'm saying is last season was the worst season in 98 years at Charlton and trying to arguably big up this season against that tells you how lame this season has been so far .
Bit late to the debate on this one but Coventry has been our second best player this season in my opinion, behind Ramsay. It's actually mental that he's the one who gets dug out when every other midifelder has been consistently poor. He got sat on his arse once by Dobson but otherwise had an ok game, once again limited by a complete lack of movement around him.
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So I feel we have a manager, who is wedded to a brand of football he was able to get out of one set of players. I think this is limiting what our squad is capable of as they're being told the only way to win a game is to physically outcompete the opposition. This tactic could work IF we had the cohesion and buy in from the squad. We clearly don't have the cohesion at the moment, the buy in is debatable. This post is not also me suggesting Jones needs to go, more just a reflection of what we're seeing. I genuinely don't know how we proceed outside of writing this season off and giving Jones at least until this time next year (provided we aren't in any danger of going down) and hopefully witness an evolution in playing style & ultimately results.
Saturday was a great atmosphere and as others have said it will take time.
I am much more positive now than when the twat Appleton was our manager.
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'Harder to beat', we have lost more games this season than in the last 12 of last season.
'Good signings', nobody has really impressed except Ramsay and Mitchell.
It is delusional to think we have improved, and not based on facts.
ahadme, hylton ? Dreadful signings. "signs of a decent team needing consistency" ? We have a manager who doesn't seem to know what his best starting eleven is, he changes formation & team selection every week. How can we get consistency ? I thought Jones was a major coup at this level. Sadly it just seems another depressing disaster.
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I am hopeful that it clicks and we beat that and get to 80 or more but I know it’s not guaranteed. Anything sub 65 pts would be disappointing.
Both seasons are extreme examples and we will probably fall somewhere in the middle of them as per my agreement with 69-73 points in my post above.
Let’s revisit this argument in 10 or 15 games and if we’ve repeated last season’s god awful run putting the playoffs out of the question then I’ll happily agree we have made no progress since last season.
If we only win 6 more games between now and the end of the season I will get Michael Appleton’s face tattooed on my backside.
Aside from Birmingham, who despite us beating them you could see they had quality, every other team I’ve seen are no better than us. Perhaps it’s just the standard of League One?? And ergo we have as much chance of any of getting promoted as any other team.
I'm in the 'things will click soon' camp and think we'll go on a run that will ultimately see us finish 5th or 6th
From what I've read we are one point ahead from the first 13 games played last season
what some are saying is that we finished the season, basically the Jones era, doing better than we are currently doing now .
what I'm saying is last season was the worst season in 98 years at Charlton and trying to arguably big up this season against that tells you how lame this season has been so far .
fucking league one dross