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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Wrexham: Saturday 26th October 2024: KO 15:00
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I agree with this. Another CB and a creative outlet or ball carrier in the midfield and I think it will click.TheHerminator said:I still think oddly that he will find his best side soon and we’ll click. Genuinely don’t know why.
but you can’t ignore the fact that despite playing poorly and with no consistency we’re still in touch. Just. We’re also not losing, which is no coincidence in the main.
i work with a die hard Luton fan. He says what he sees at Charlton now is almost exactly what happens at Luton.It took time to implement and settle but it clicked eventually.
we’re still a player or two short in my opinion, but not as far off as some here keep saying we are0 -
I agree but the main problem is his signings which have been dreck apart from Mitchell.Bailey said:I have to say that ive backed the majority of managers, with the exception of Pardew, Dowie and Slade, but i am now feeling that I might add another to that little list. My defence of the last few managers is because they were unfortunately employed by lunatic Chairman but this Manager cannot lay claim to any such interference, lack of backing or lack of funds. I have watched every game this season and the football has been dire, from wing backs that don't cross the halfway line to full backs that suffer the same restrictions. A midfield that has no guile, doesnt create chances, just runs around a lot. A winger called Tyreece Campbell who, we are led to believe is an excellent front two forward. No width to the side, by design, allowing opposing full backs to join their midfield and nulify ours. This team will not push on into the top six because it has no flair. I will not get into the Alfie May argument but if you sell your top scorer on the basis that you can produce a side that is better without him, then you better produce the results that you firmly believe would happen without him. So I have to say I have run out of patience with Nathan Jones, I just don't have belief in what he is doing.
Presumably with a 5 year contract he will be given time to rebuild again?3 -
But you've been on CL for 17 years and I only ever recall you saying you've been to The Valley a couple of times?soapy_jones said:NJ is looking all mouth and no trousers as my old grandad used to say. It may turn around of course and i pray it does, every Saturday.
A few injuries and we are fucked, although a full NJ squad wasn't pulling up trees as it was.
I am one step ahead of Shooters, I lost the faith about five years ago. I spoke to an old mate for the first time in years today. He knows me as a dyed in the wool Addick, and when we got around to football, I had nothing to say to him. We are shit, have been for years, and the crying shame is we are such a fantastic football club.2 -
i would agree if our midfield was Cullen, Bielik and Aribo and not Coventry, Docherty and A Campbell.Oggy Red said:
Yeah, but other teams are not either.Gribbo said:I don't think we were as bad as some are making out. Although still don't think we're producing performances anywhere near the calibre needed to finish top six.
If the promotion chasing pack are not beating us, then we've just got to hang in there until we sort ourselves out.
Like Lee Bowyer's promotion winning team in 2019.1 -
Would he really. Poor again yesterday. I'd rather play Taylor of the two.Leuth said:
Dobson would walk into our team, yes, but Coventry would still walk into our teamAndyG said:
I’m still not convinced by him tbh and my view is Dobson would walk into our team but I will say it must be difficult to pass it forward when you know whoever you pass it to isn’t going to control or shield the ball enough to keep possession so you know in about 5 seconds the ball is coming back and we are under pressuremsomerton said:
This the player who passes side way and backwards most of the time. When he passes forward more often than not it is to an opponent.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
He cannot keep the ball when he has it his feet and cannot win a tackle.4 -
I’m getting increasingly grumpy with age, and I was quite concerned that thousands of day trippers would do my head in yesterday but it was actually totally fine. Would love to see a packed Valley on a regular basis but sadly I think it’ll just be for one off occasions for the foreseeable future.AndyG said:Whatever the reasons behind it and regardless of the ££’s taken surely the important thing is that the Valley looked great without the gaping holes of empty seats for once. I honestly can’t see a downside apart from all those pesky new comers disturbing the stalwarts whilst trying to get to their seats 😜2 -
He’s the best of a really poor crop of midfielders . Taylor is probably second. It’s genuinely the weakest part of our team .superclive98 said:
Would he really. Poor again yesterday. I'd rather play Taylor of the two.Leuth said:
Dobson would walk into our team, yes, but Coventry would still walk into our teamAndyG said:
I’m still not convinced by him tbh and my view is Dobson would walk into our team but I will say it must be difficult to pass it forward when you know whoever you pass it to isn’t going to control or shield the ball enough to keep possession so you know in about 5 seconds the ball is coming back and we are under pressuremsomerton said:
This the player who passes side way and backwards most of the time. When he passes forward more often than not it is to an opponent.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
He cannot keep the ball when he has it his feet and cannot win a tackle.3 -
I agree mate although it was a major inconvenience not have a spare seat next me where I could leave the molton hot 🥵 steak pie for an hour to cool down enough to eat. How do they get them that hot ?se9addick said:
I’m getting increasingly grumpy with age, and I was quite concerned that thousands of day trippers would do my head in yesterday but it was actually totally fine. Would love to see a packed Valley on a regular basis but sadly I think it’ll just be for one off occasions for the foreseeable future.AndyG said:Whatever the reasons behind it and regardless of the ££’s taken surely the important thing is that the Valley looked great without the gaping holes of empty seats for once. I honestly can’t see a downside apart from all those pesky new comers disturbing the stalwarts whilst trying to get to their seats 😜1 -
Think we can all at least now agree that Coventry was not an upgrade on Dobson, and is not a 'transformational' player.11
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Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.paulsturgess said:
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?king addick said:
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.golfaddick said:
This.blackpool72 said:
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.Callumcafc said:
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?blackpool72 said:
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results.
We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years.
We have only won one of our last 7 league matches.
So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
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Apparently if you show any level of confidence that things will turn around, and that fundamentally we have the basis of a decent team that isn’t quite yelling at the moment, some Charlton fans don’t like it,king addick said:
Nothing behind it? There is a decent team here backed by some decent results that are still gelling which is backed by some not so decent results.paulsturgess said:
Again you’re just saying things… there’s nothing behind this?king addick said:
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.golfaddick said:
This.blackpool72 said:
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.Callumcafc said:
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?blackpool72 said:
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results.
We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years.
We have only won one of our last 7 league matches.
So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
why is the squad better, who’s improved us?
The results are not better, they are same/worse than we were achieving post January transfer window/ Jones last season.What makes you supremely confident? Which players do you believe are going to gel and click and start hitting devastating form that enables us to win multiple matches, and score 2, 3, 4 goals in matches. Docherty, Campbell (A), godden, ahadme, hylton, berry, Dixon?
I won't go too far into it as it's a squad..not individuals but Berry instead of Bakinson and Mitchell instead of Hector are just 2 examples...there are certainly more.
I'm confident because I choose to be and there are signs of a decent team needing consistency, which I'll freely admit, need to happen soon but it is there if people aren't so narrow minded and just wanting to focus on the negatives.
to suggest we’re not better off this year than last is a bit baffling for me to be honest.We are so much harder to beat this year. That on it’s own is a step in the right direction14 -
Agreed. There is one thing will say in Coventry’s defence having now seen him in the flesh. When you can see the whole spectacle rather then the stream which only shows you the guy on the ball, the amount of times he got the ball, looked up for an option and there was absolutely sod all movement in front of him was striking. I thought he was awful first half but a proper trooper in the second. Meanwhile, gorgeous George was strolling around showing how it should be done.Chunes said:Think we can all at least now agree that Coventry was not an upgrade on Dobson, and is not a 'transformational' player.9 -
Cullen used to surge forward with the ball.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
I don't recall Coventry doing likewise.2 -
Our defence is certainly better than last season (once Jones & Ramsay are back) and our central midfield has more depth so don't have on rely on loans or to many kids.king addick said:
Christ...we are definitely better than last season as a squad and results, Stevenage was shit but yet they beat the mighty Wrexham aswell. We have had so many games this year alone where we would have crumbled of played last year and not dragged a draw and nicked a win.golfaddick said:
This.blackpool72 said:
What has got us into the mess we are in is a succession of useless , clueless owners.Callumcafc said:
So we’ll have made no progress at all until the moment that it all clicks into place and we do something we haven’t managed in four years?blackpool72 said:
If you finish outside the top 6 it doesn't really matter whether you finish 10th 12th or 16th.Callumcafc said:
Expecting the goalposts to be moved here with a “we should be expecting better” or “that’s a low bar” whilst that being a completely different point & one that everyone agrees with.Callumcafc said:
Do you think this response to what I said is balanced? Or are you being purposefully negative to try and make the posts between them balanced?paulsturgess said:
Callum I’m sorry but your opinions are so biased and and unbalanced, are you even watching our matches?Callumcafc said:Really don’t think we are that far away… people losing trust in Nathan Jones perplexes me.
On another day we find the winner against Stockport and on another night we hold on to win against Barnsley.Really small margins that would’ve changed October’s points tally from 6 to 10. Despite that, we’re still in touching distance of our ultimate end of season goals while carrying a few key injuries in the defence and not being able to secure a clear no. 1 keeper in the summer window.
There is still work to be done and I didn’t expect everything to be magically fixed in one window after three (four?) seasons of disappointment.
- you mention fine margins that could have favoured us, but seem to completely ignore the fine margins that could have just as easily/ more easily gone against us ie. Losing or drawing with Wigan, drawing with orient, losing to Rotherham, drawing with Shrewsbury, all of which were every bit as possible “on another day” as nicking a winner against Stockport.
- Barnsley one we deserved to lose that match comfortably, winning that would have been daylight robbery.
- we look clueless the moment the ball crosses the halfway line! There is no strategy for attacking or winning games and no quality to do so, and we can barely keep the ball once we attempt to progress it out of the defensive line.Looking solely at the table, we are still just about in touching distance of the play offs (notwithstanding teams with games in hand), but evidence to date ie 1 good performance all season, a paltry 6 points from our last 7 matches, and continuing failure to offer any sign of being able to control football matches for any period of time suggests something significant needs to change.The 1 window thing is an excuse, it’s perfectly possible at this level to make vast transformation at this level with 1 transfer window - the one we’ve just had was very poor and has arguably made the squad worse than it was in March or April. If what you do in one transfer window of significant overhaul is negative/ at best par, then further transfer windows are unlikely to help you.I really hope he can turn it around and we can go on a run in November.
Find it shocking that you think that the summer window was a net negative or at best par when we were where we were last season.
Are you willing to put money down that we finish worse than 16th this season? I don’t expect you are.
Now you could argue that 10th would be an improvement on 16th but in the big picture it makes little difference.
Top 6 at a minimum is what I would call an improvement.
There has to be some measurement of progress internally - if you’re on the payroll & involved in working to get this club on the up then you’ve got to cut through the noise and stop seeing things in black & white like fans will.
Working on the basis of promotion good & no promotion bad under Sandgaard is arguably what got us into such a mess, following many prior years of neglect.
Now I'm not saying that applies to our current American Billionaires but time will tell.
In the meantime I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes only in what happens on the pitch and in my humble opinion we are hardly any better placed than the last couple of seasons.
Remember Andy Scott said at the start of last season to judge him on results.
We then finished in our lowest league position for 99 years.
We have only won one of our last 7 league matches.
So forgive me if I don't judge him very well.
Are we any better than last season ? At this point I'd say no. We've lost the leagues top goal scorer, a player who ended up 2nd top scorer & top assist maker even though he left in January and finally we lost our midfield "stopper". Have any been replaced adequately ? The answer is demonstrably NO and most would say we are weaker in those 3 areas.
And then to say "give Jones time, he's only had one transfer window" I would answer that with that he knew those players had left / were leaving & so should have made their replacements a priority.
Yes, we might be less easy to beat than we were last season but that wasn't a high bar to beat, and it seems that Jones made the defence his no 1 priority. Which you might say was important......but in that case lets scrap this season already if staying up is to be the ultimate goal as I for one was hoping for a lttle better than beating 16th.
I'm not sure why people think we have this god given right to smash the league. We have had a decent window ( honestly we have) but they need to gel. Birmingham shouldn't ( in theory ) be drawing at Mansfield and yet they did, results can't always go your way.
Unfortunately we have to be patient and let it click and I'm supremely confident it will click.
But up front (both out wide and attack) is worse than last season. No creativity & only Godden (and Leaburn when fully fit) know where the goal is.
We wont go down or even get drawn into a relegation scrap but we wont seriously be involved in a play off scrap either. Yes, people will drone on & on over the coming months that we are only x points off 6th and just wait until we go on a run. The truth is we just dont have enough quality to sustain a run......unless you mean a run of draws like we are currently on.
Its another wasted season. Just mark my words.9 -
He does surge, it’s just that it’s sidewards or backwardsCovered End said:
Cullen used to surge forward with the ball.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
I don't recall Coventry doing likewise.9 -
Leuth said:
Dobson would walk into our team, yes, but Coventry would still walk into our teamAndyG said:
I’m still not convinced by him tbh and my view is Dobson would walk into our team but I will say it must be difficult to pass it forward when you know whoever you pass it to isn’t going to control or shield the ball enough to keep possession so you know in about 5 seconds the ball is coming back and we are under pressuremsomerton said:
This the player who passes side way and backwards most of the time. When he passes forward more often than not it is to an opponent.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
He cannot keep the ball when he has it his feet and cannot win a tackle.
Ben Watson used to walk in our team because his legs had gone !2 -
If only Nathan Jones would quit the comedy and go to Specsavers he might pick a decent team.
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Really poor again? He has been consistently very good for us this season. Maybe one or two off games but easily one of our best performers. Never goes hiding, can pick a pass and tireless effort!!superclive98 said:
Would he really. Poor again yesterday. I'd rather play Taylor of the two.Leuth said:
Dobson would walk into our team, yes, but Coventry would still walk into our teamAndyG said:
I’m still not convinced by him tbh and my view is Dobson would walk into our team but I will say it must be difficult to pass it forward when you know whoever you pass it to isn’t going to control or shield the ball enough to keep possession so you know in about 5 seconds the ball is coming back and we are under pressuremsomerton said:
This the player who passes side way and backwards most of the time. When he passes forward more often than not it is to an opponent.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
He cannot keep the ball when he has it his feet and cannot win a tackle.1 -
I have considered that this is a possibility.KingKinsella said:
? could someone have removed it? That would n't be a defence against the fine. resend the message in a monthtangoflash said:I knew it wasn't going to be a good day just 15 minutes after leaving home, as we were met with a multi-car shunt on the A2. After finally getting passed it, we were immediatley met with another one. (Bloody Bluewater shoppers). Finally got to my usual parking space with just 15 minutes to spare, walked away from the car to see a traffic warden on the opposite side, noting all the registrations, so I walked to the ground knowing I'll most likely get a ticket. Got to the ground and there were millions of people queuing to get into the Curbs stand, bloody great. Wrexham scored a forunate goal, they we scored a fortunate goal (no way he meant that), then the ref dies and we take a break. Second half was a scrappy affair, with the visitors looking likely to take all the spoils. NJ then brings on some old fella that I assume won "A chance to play for the Addicks" in a Valley Gold draw and Now I'm 100% convinced we're going home with our tails firmly between our legs, but being only one goal down, I sit it out (made the mistake of leaving too early too many times over the years). How did Ravan not get a straight red for hacking down TC, I'll never know. Nowhere near the ball and his pure intention was clear for all to see. I'm glad he did it though, as the free-kick led to the penalty (which I admit I didn't see the handball). So I left the ground somewhat happy, only to turn into the street where I parked, to see a swarm of yellow ticket plastered on multiple windscreens. Got to my car and...........nothing.
So, I would like to personally thank Dizzy Doris and her ilk, for having their prang on the A2, as if I had arrived earlier, I would almost certainly be looking at a £70(?) fine now.
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It was quite simply cost cutting.AndyG said:
I’m not saying he wouldn’t mate as I said I’m not putting the guy down but I was making a point that we have nobody in midfield that would keep Dobson out of the team which makes the thinking behind letting him go even stranger if the replacements are not betterLeuth said:
Dobson would walk into our team, yes, but Coventry would still walk into our teamAndyG said:
I’m still not convinced by him tbh and my view is Dobson would walk into our team but I will say it must be difficult to pass it forward when you know whoever you pass it to isn’t going to control or shield the ball enough to keep possession so you know in about 5 seconds the ball is coming back and we are under pressuremsomerton said:
This the player who passes side way and backwards most of the time. When he passes forward more often than not it is to an opponent.Leuth said:Coventry is pretty much the dictionary definition of 'a Cullen', it's the hyenas who are the real enemy others who lose massively by comparison to that team
He cannot keep the ball when he has it his feet and cannot win a tackle.
Dobson wanted a pay rise that Scott wasn't willing to pay, because of the permitted budget.
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Covered End, I actually don't think his signings, overall were that bad, Ramsay and Small he had under him at Southampton so he knew they would handle this division, Mitchell has been good, as has Godden, the jury is definitely out on Ahadme, Docherty and Campbell but Luke Berry and Josh Edwards are a step up on what went before, for me it's the tactics employed. I have seen some posters declare that we will certainly be trying to bring in a playmaker in January, really ? There is enough in this side to be more offensive in it's outlook but there some key indicators in the past 13 games that show that Nathan Jones sets up his sides to defend first and if we get a goal, great, but don't come over the half way line, just in case. Wing backs that didn't overlap and get crosses in but made a back five almost immediately the game kicked off, the goals for column, the lack of width within the side. Saturday's second half performance was shocking, the passing was as poor as I've seen and quite simply we got lucky with the penalty, I don't think Wrexham were outstanding but they looked a more complete unit than we did. Jones complaint of injuries hampering our progress holds some water but bearing in mind most fans would consider that the loss of Ramsay and Lloyd Jones is the key loss because it's weakened our back four, there are no injuries to our midfield, in fact we have Taylor added to the mix after being ignored for ten games. I gave Nathan Jones my backing because he openly admitted after the Orient home game that we would become more fluent, I've not seen any sign of that thus far.Covered End said:
I agree but the main problem is his signings which have been dreck apart from Mitchell.Bailey said:I have to say that ive backed the majority of managers, with the exception of Pardew, Dowie and Slade, but i am now feeling that I might add another to that little list. My defence of the last few managers is because they were unfortunately employed by lunatic Chairman but this Manager cannot lay claim to any such interference, lack of backing or lack of funds. I have watched every game this season and the football has been dire, from wing backs that don't cross the halfway line to full backs that suffer the same restrictions. A midfield that has no guile, doesnt create chances, just runs around a lot. A winger called Tyreece Campbell who, we are led to believe is an excellent front two forward. No width to the side, by design, allowing opposing full backs to join their midfield and nulify ours. This team will not push on into the top six because it has no flair. I will not get into the Alfie May argument but if you sell your top scorer on the basis that you can produce a side that is better without him, then you better produce the results that you firmly believe would happen without him. So I have to say I have run out of patience with Nathan Jones, I just don't have belief in what he is doing.
Presumably with a 5 year contract he will be given time to rebuild again?3 -
I wouldn't be surprised if it started clicking in to place more but I wouldn't be surpised either if it went tits up from here. We are still in touch and it is a crucial part of the season. We have to improve our away form for starters. We have to score more goals and we have to go back to defending like we did at the start of the season. Jones made a good point about the first, it was the freekick that was very avoidable and we seem to be a bit hot potato ish the way we play sometimes. But there are spells when we show we can do it so I suppose confidence and consistency is the order of the day.0
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I agree with all of that Bailey.
But I would add Hylton to Ahadme, Docherty and A Campbell as bad signings and our problem is in midfield and up front.3 -
We have lost physicality from the side so I think we need to bring Small in to bring a bit back. Talking of physicality, I am impressed with T Campbell compared to last season in that respect.1
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I learned years ago not to judge players without knowing what instructions they were playing under.8
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We aren't going to go down.
I think we consolidate our Mid table status.
We had our scare last year, I think we have no chance of going up.
Drift through the season and hope for something positive between now and 2030.
I think we have a decent change of getting into the Champ over that time frame.
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Just need a few more windows of all talk and no trousers and groundhog season with Charlton will continue ad infinitum5
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Given that Chris McCausland is completely blind, going to Specsavers wouldn't be the slightest help. Although if you're getting him and Nathan Jones confused I'd suggest making a trip there yourself might be a good idea.fattmatt said:
If only Nathan Jones would quit the comedy and go to Specsavers he might pick a decent team.
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The general consensus with the group of mates I was with, all non Charlton fans and Valley first timers, was we are horrible to watch. Full backs receive the ball and head down, thump it straight down the line conceding possession.. Midfielders collect and instead of launching an attack, turn and play it square or backwards.They all thought TC was our best player. Save for the dubious end product. And thought motm was that Wrexham midfielder with the slick back hair.
Personally I thought Mitchell was good. Loved how he tried to drive the team. But can’t disagree with my pals’ assessment..
We’re just not very good.
I’d stick with Jones though. I think he will get it right but it isn’t pretty…9 -
What’s the honest likelihood of them returning more frequently @Valley11 ?0
