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Alex Mitchell - gone on a season long loan to Plymouth Argyle (p11)

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I just assumed he was injured. 
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,887
    He's already on 3 yellow cards and the last 2 were particularly soft (can't remember his first) so maybe his absence was a disciplinary matter.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,344
    edited September 2024
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
  • Chunes said:
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
    Strange that he wasn’t even on the bench. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,370
    Chunes said:
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
    Strange that he wasn’t even on the bench. 
    For balance I think, with Potts being left footed.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    wmcf123 said:
    shirty5 said:
    The same back 3 had played all the league games so far this season until yesterday afternoon 

    In those 6 games we have had 4 clean sheets and from the 3 goals conceded 2 of those were 25 yards or more out

    Makes no sense to make that decision yesterday. It’s no different if one of your strikers had scored 4 goals in the first 6 games and then you bin him off and he’s not even on the bench
    Agree,

    I can see the case for giving REG a start after the Cambridge game but not for Mitchell and especially after another star of the midweek game, Taylor, didn't even get on the bench.

    No matter how good REG had been why change a successful back five and solid midfield. 

    Credit to NJ for taking responsibility but I'm still in the dark as to what his thinking was with the back three, the midfield and the forward line changes.

    I'm also thinking that NJ has often spoken of preferring a smaller squad as there are fewer players scrabbling for places but we now seem to have a hell of a lot of fit first team players when you include Leaburn, A Campbell and the soon come Dixon as well as "where does he fit in Hylton"?

    All managers make mistakes, it's just that the best managers make fewer mistakes than the others, but this seems almost perverse from NJ.
    I don’t laud him for admitting it - it was a crass decision.  Jones has credit in the bank but that runs out quickly if results go south .  
    Did I "laud" him or did I give him "credit", quite different things in my mind.
    I didn’t say you did - my criticism was aimed at Jones , not you .  
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Chunes said:
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
    It’s not like REG is John Stones.  Extraordinarily ridiculous decision .  
  • wmcf123 said:
    Chunes said:
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
    It’s not like REG is John Stones.  Extraordinarily ridiculous decision .  
    Exactly. If he wants us to "play" a bit more, make the adjustments to the midfield and attack, not a defence that has been functioning superbly.
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,921
    wmcf123 said:
    shirty5 said:
    The same back 3 had played all the league games so far this season until yesterday afternoon 

    In those 6 games we have had 4 clean sheets and from the 3 goals conceded 2 of those were 25 yards or more out

    Makes no sense to make that decision yesterday. It’s no different if one of your strikers had scored 4 goals in the first 6 games and then you bin him off and he’s not even on the bench
    Agree,

    I can see the case for giving REG a start after the Cambridge game but not for Mitchell and especially after another star of the midweek game, Taylor, didn't even get on the bench.

    No matter how good REG had been why change a successful back five and solid midfield. 

    Credit to NJ for taking responsibility but I'm still in the dark as to what his thinking was with the back three, the midfield and the forward line changes.

    I'm also thinking that NJ has often spoken of preferring a smaller squad as there are fewer players scrabbling for places but we now seem to have a hell of a lot of fit first team players when you include Leaburn, A Campbell and the soon come Dixon as well as "where does he fit in Hylton"?

    All managers make mistakes, it's just that the best managers make fewer mistakes than the others, but this seems almost perverse from NJ.
    I don’t laud him for admitting it - it was a crass decision.  Jones has credit in the bank but that runs out quickly if results go south .  
    True but he also spent a lot of it as far as I am concerned by not wanting Alfie May and replacing him with the less than prolific goalscorer Ahadme.
    And he's been getting out of jail with good results making the hoof ball more acceptable. 

    Might as well play 4-2-4
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  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,112
    are we really that surprised that Jones is somewhat erratic based on his previous at stoke and Southampton? We have to live with the fact that he does everything his way, every time for good or bad. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,835
    Maybe Mitchell has been playing too much table tennis?
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,632
    the funny thing is, he wanted us to play more football. We literally played zero football again yesterday 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    cafc4life said:
    the funny thing is, he wanted us to play more football. We literally played zero football again yesterday 
     I think Jones will realise before long that results matter far more than how you play your football at this level. Better to get back to grinding out wins than trying to play teams off the park whilst they ground out wins against us. 
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,770
    Yep. A very bizarre decision leaving out Mitchell for REG. Could see that within 10 minutes. 
    NJ, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The defence was the one part of our team that looked solid and cohesive. 
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,887
    wmcf123 said:
    Chunes said:
    In the interview aired on Charlton Live, NJ says he swapped Mitchell for REG because of tactical reasons and because he wanted us to play a bit more. No doubt he sees REG as more of a ball-player than Mitchell. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.
    It’s not like REG is John Stones.  Extraordinarily ridiculous decision .  
    My initial impression of REG last season was that he looked quite laid back and comfortable on the ball in defensive situations.  But he always passed the ball to his closest teammate.  I thought perhaps he'd had explicit instructions.  Later in the match he attempted a few medium/long passes - they were awful.  He doesn't look comfortable when the opposition allow him to move forward with the ball either.   He didn't improve in later matches and it was the same on Saturday.  He's just a smoother looking A Mitchell.
  • Plaaayer
    Plaaayer Posts: 8,997
    I feel like there’s more to it than just ‘tactical reasons’, maybe I’m reading too much into it but seems a very bizarre situation. 
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,272
    Off_it said:
    Maybe Mitchell has been playing too much table tennis?
    OK, this one has whooshed me. Can you explain please @Off_it?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    have he and Jones (Nat) fallen out ? (I imagine that falling out with the 'gaffer' is not difficult)
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,984
    Amazing that people are immediately jumping to the idea there's an interpersonal problem when the reality is NJ probably just made a selection error
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  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    Dazzler21 said:
    cafc4life said:
    the funny thing is, he wanted us to play more football. We literally played zero football again yesterday 
     I think Jones will realise before long that results matter far more than how you play your football at this level. Better to get back to grinding out wins than trying to play teams off the park whilst they ground out wins against us. 
    TBH, if he doesn’t know that by now, he’s in the wrong job. 
  • aliwibble said:
    Off_it said:
    Maybe Mitchell has been playing too much table tennis?
    OK, this one has whooshed me. Can you explain please @Off_it?
    I believe Jones went mad at Luton or Stoke and felt they were playing too much table tennis so he banned it.
  • aliwibble said:
    Off_it said:
    Maybe Mitchell has been playing too much table tennis?
    OK, this one has whooshed me. Can you explain please @Off_it?
    I believe Jones went mad at Luton or Stoke and felt they were playing too much table tennis so he banned it.
    Didn't just ban it, he set the table on fire
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  • fenaddick said:
    Amazing that people are immediately jumping to the idea there's an interpersonal problem when the reality is NJ probably just made a selection error
    But to not even be on the bench? After starting the season so well? Seems strange. 

    (Sorry to jump in here but take an interest in this thread with Mitchell being ex Millwall) 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,024
    edited September 2024
    fenaddick said:
    Amazing that people are immediately jumping to the idea there's an interpersonal problem when the reality is NJ probably just made a selection error
    But to not even be on the bench? After starting the season so well? Seems strange. 

    (Sorry to jump in here but take an interest in this thread with Mitchell being ex Millwall) 
    What is your excuse for poking your hooter in the other threads? :smile:

    Agree with your post tbf.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,347
    Old NJ seems an onery kerr!
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,981
    fenaddick said:
    Amazing that people are immediately jumping to the idea there's an interpersonal problem when the reality is NJ probably just made a selection error
    But to not even be on the bench? After starting the season so well? Seems strange. 

    (Sorry to jump in here but take an interest in this thread with Mitchell being ex Millwall) 
    I think Jones wanted a left footed defender on the bench ie Potts.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,984
    fenaddick said:
    Amazing that people are immediately jumping to the idea there's an interpersonal problem when the reality is NJ probably just made a selection error
    But to not even be on the bench? After starting the season so well? Seems strange. 

    (Sorry to jump in here but take an interest in this thread with Mitchell being ex Millwall) 
    Think that was more about Potts than Mitchell, left footed, well known to NJ and could fill in at LB for half an hour if needed 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,755
    edited September 2024
    The sub centre back Jones has been picking all season so far has been capable of playing full back as well as centre back (first REG, now Potts). 

    He’ll be able to cover multiple defensive positions with less players and fill the rest of the bench with five attack minded players to change a game if needed.

    Mitchell doesn’t have that in his locker so I can understand why he’s not in the 18 if not in the starting line-up. I’d expect the same to happen to Lloyd Jones.