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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142
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I think Dobson will have been very aware that it was unlikely that Fehervar were going to last long in Europe, and even if they did, it wouldn’t be very glamorous.
He took the security of the guaranteed money while it was on the table in front of him.3 -
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killerandflash said:PragueAddick said:So what did Dobbo miss by not going to Fehervar? "The chance to play in Europe", some of you said. I pointed out at the time that this part of his season might be all over by September. I also questioned how exciting he might find the Hungarian League. So last night while watching Viktoria make a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy first leg against Hearts, I took a look to see how the Hungarian teams are making an impact in Europe.
Fehervar were always only destined for the Conference League. That destiny came to an abrupt end when they lost at home to the giants of Omonia Nicosia, in front of 3,840 fans, which may or may not have included Viktor Orban, allegedly their no.1 fan. That happened on August 14, four days after Charlton's season started.
Well we heard that Fehervar have problems, which led to George receiving a get-out card. What of the others? Ferencvaros, the champions, went into the UCL qualifiers and were immediately kicked out by Midtylland, the Danish team the Brentford owner Benham has (? still) a stake in. In the Europa League last night they could only draw 0-0 at home with Banja Luka of Serbia - although I'd really expect them to turn that around. 13,167 turned out the see the champions play in Europe, some 2,000 less than at the Valley last Saturday.
Paksi SE went into the Europa League. They also didn't last long after losing 4-0 at home to Corvinul Hunedoara. No, me neither, but they are from Romania. A crowd of 4,182 watched that, which in fact is near capacity. The town is called Paks. i have no idea where it is, and sadly Dobbo will never find out. Anyway they dropped into the Conference and last night were up this way and drew 2-2 at Mlada Boleslav, a bang average team from the home town of Skoda Auto. Should be a thriller next week in Paks.
And last but not least, Puskas Academy. This is the ultimate plastic club, the one that happens to be the club in the village Viktor Orban comes from, and who play in a stadium built and paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer the "football mad" Orban. Before he took an interest they were in the 4th regional tier, last year they finished 3rd in the top tier, a point ahead of Fehervar. What a heart-warming fairy-tale story. 😉. Well to be fair, they got the best HU result of the night, getting a 3-3 draw away at Fiorentina. They also lead the league with a 100% record after four games. Looks like Vik has fixed it, eh?
And the morale of this story? Pre-contracts are the tools of the Devil.0 -
Callumcafc said:I think Dobson will have been very aware that it was unlikely that Fehervar were going to last long in Europe, and even if they did, it wouldn’t be very glamorous.
He took the security of the guaranteed money while it was on the table in front of him.
programme, and the possibility of other offers. Two weeks wasn’t it? That was always my worry. I reckon he gradually worked all this out in the months that followed -
and his wife probably worked out a few things too.A few weeks ago I tried to pitch the Dobbo saga as a “story” to my contact at the The Athletic. He took a look at it and decided “nothing to see here”, but he did look into Dobbo and gave this insightful summary “Bright boy, comes from money”. Maybe it was just the money, but a “bright boy” might have been genuinely interested in a “European” gig. After all he did a season at Sparta Rotterdam when he was younger. My point was always that Europe isnt a homogenous entity in the way the USA is. Not for football, not for life. I like everything I know about Dobbo, so I’m glad he was able to dodge the bullet, but part of me is sorry I didnt get to see how he coped with that “European” move.2 -
I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !0
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AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !2
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killerandflash said:PragueAddick said:So what did Dobbo miss by not going to Fehervar? "The chance to play in Europe", some of you said. I pointed out at the time that this part of his season might be all over by September. I also questioned how exciting he might find the Hungarian League. So last night while watching Viktoria make a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy first leg against Hearts, I took a look to see how the Hungarian teams are making an impact in Europe.
Fehervar were always only destined for the Conference League. That destiny came to an abrupt end when they lost at home to the giants of Omonia Nicosia, in front of 3,840 fans, which may or may not have included Viktor Orban, allegedly their no.1 fan. That happened on August 14, four days after Charlton's season started.
Well we heard that Fehervar have problems, which led to George receiving a get-out card. What of the others? Ferencvaros, the champions, went into the UCL qualifiers and were immediately kicked out by Midtylland, the Danish team the Brentford owner Benham has (? still) a stake in. In the Europa League last night they could only draw 0-0 at home with Banja Luka of Serbia - although I'd really expect them to turn that around. 13,167 turned out the see the champions play in Europe, some 2,000 less than at the Valley last Saturday.
Paksi SE went into the Europa League. They also didn't last long after losing 4-0 at home to Corvinul Hunedoara. No, me neither, but they are from Romania. A crowd of 4,182 watched that, which in fact is near capacity. The town is called Paks. i have no idea where it is, and sadly Dobbo will never find out. Anyway they dropped into the Conference and last night were up this way and drew 2-2 at Mlada Boleslav, a bang average team from the home town of Skoda Auto. Should be a thriller next week in Paks.
And last but not least, Puskas Academy. This is the ultimate plastic club, the one that happens to be the club in the village Viktor Orban comes from, and who play in a stadium built and paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer the "football mad" Orban. Before he took an interest they were in the 4th regional tier, last year they finished 3rd in the top tier, a point ahead of Fehervar. What a heart-warming fairy-tale story. 😉. Well to be fair, they got the best HU result of the night, getting a 3-3 draw away at Fiorentina. They also lead the league with a 100% record after four games. Looks like Vik has fixed it, eh?
And the morale of this story? Pre-contracts are the tools of the Devil.0 -
PragueAddick said:Callumcafc said:I think Dobson will have been very aware that it was unlikely that Fehervar were going to last long in Europe, and even if they did, it wouldn’t be very glamorous.
He took the security of the guaranteed money while it was on the table in front of him.
programme, and the possibility of other offers. Two weeks wasn’t it? That was always my worry. I reckon he gradually worked all this out in the months that followed -
and his wife probably worked out a few things too.A few weeks ago I tried to pitch the Dobbo saga as a “story” to my contact at the The Athletic. He took a look at it and decided “nothing to see here”, but he did look into Dobbo and gave this insightful summary “Bright boy, comes from money”. Maybe it was just the money, but a “bright boy” might have been genuinely interested in a “European” gig. After all he did a season at Sparta Rotterdam when he was younger. My point was always that Europe isnt a homogenous entity in the way the USA is. Not for football, not for life. I like everything I know about Dobbo, so I’m glad he was able to dodge the bullet, but part of me is sorry I didnt get to see how he coped with that “European” move.0 -
I wonder if the pre-contract is a bit of a red herring in his story of last season........ say there was no pre-contract he'd have gathered in all his offers and taken the one he preferred........ and I assume that's what happened after the pre-contract was nulled.
At that stage I guess there was no championship interest, or at least none he thought worth listening to and that being the case he ended up at Wrexham given they've pretty deep pockets and offered him more than we were willing to........ more than Brum or any other 'decent' L1 team too I guess?
Would he have been skipper with us this year? Maybe not? Would he be a shoe-in in the starting 11? Perhaps not? If so, were these part of his decision to go to Wales?
I think he's ended up with his preferred contract and team and good luck to him. Defensively I don't think he's left a big hole in our side.0 - Sponsored links:
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Redhenry said:killerandflash said:PragueAddick said:So what did Dobbo miss by not going to Fehervar? "The chance to play in Europe", some of you said. I pointed out at the time that this part of his season might be all over by September. I also questioned how exciting he might find the Hungarian League. So last night while watching Viktoria make a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy first leg against Hearts, I took a look to see how the Hungarian teams are making an impact in Europe.
Fehervar were always only destined for the Conference League. That destiny came to an abrupt end when they lost at home to the giants of Omonia Nicosia, in front of 3,840 fans, which may or may not have included Viktor Orban, allegedly their no.1 fan. That happened on August 14, four days after Charlton's season started.
Well we heard that Fehervar have problems, which led to George receiving a get-out card. What of the others? Ferencvaros, the champions, went into the UCL qualifiers and were immediately kicked out by Midtylland, the Danish team the Brentford owner Benham has (? still) a stake in. In the Europa League last night they could only draw 0-0 at home with Banja Luka of Serbia - although I'd really expect them to turn that around. 13,167 turned out the see the champions play in Europe, some 2,000 less than at the Valley last Saturday.
Paksi SE went into the Europa League. They also didn't last long after losing 4-0 at home to Corvinul Hunedoara. No, me neither, but they are from Romania. A crowd of 4,182 watched that, which in fact is near capacity. The town is called Paks. i have no idea where it is, and sadly Dobbo will never find out. Anyway they dropped into the Conference and last night were up this way and drew 2-2 at Mlada Boleslav, a bang average team from the home town of Skoda Auto. Should be a thriller next week in Paks.
And last but not least, Puskas Academy. This is the ultimate plastic club, the one that happens to be the club in the village Viktor Orban comes from, and who play in a stadium built and paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer the "football mad" Orban. Before he took an interest they were in the 4th regional tier, last year they finished 3rd in the top tier, a point ahead of Fehervar. What a heart-warming fairy-tale story. 😉. Well to be fair, they got the best HU result of the night, getting a 3-3 draw away at Fiorentina. They also lead the league with a 100% record after four games. Looks like Vik has fixed it, eh?
And the morale of this story? Pre-contracts are the tools of the Devil.4 -
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killerandflash said:Redhenry said:killerandflash said:PragueAddick said:So what did Dobbo miss by not going to Fehervar? "The chance to play in Europe", some of you said. I pointed out at the time that this part of his season might be all over by September. I also questioned how exciting he might find the Hungarian League. So last night while watching Viktoria make a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy first leg against Hearts, I took a look to see how the Hungarian teams are making an impact in Europe.
Fehervar were always only destined for the Conference League. That destiny came to an abrupt end when they lost at home to the giants of Omonia Nicosia, in front of 3,840 fans, which may or may not have included Viktor Orban, allegedly their no.1 fan. That happened on August 14, four days after Charlton's season started.
Well we heard that Fehervar have problems, which led to George receiving a get-out card. What of the others? Ferencvaros, the champions, went into the UCL qualifiers and were immediately kicked out by Midtylland, the Danish team the Brentford owner Benham has (? still) a stake in. In the Europa League last night they could only draw 0-0 at home with Banja Luka of Serbia - although I'd really expect them to turn that around. 13,167 turned out the see the champions play in Europe, some 2,000 less than at the Valley last Saturday.
Paksi SE went into the Europa League. They also didn't last long after losing 4-0 at home to Corvinul Hunedoara. No, me neither, but they are from Romania. A crowd of 4,182 watched that, which in fact is near capacity. The town is called Paks. i have no idea where it is, and sadly Dobbo will never find out. Anyway they dropped into the Conference and last night were up this way and drew 2-2 at Mlada Boleslav, a bang average team from the home town of Skoda Auto. Should be a thriller next week in Paks.
And last but not least, Puskas Academy. This is the ultimate plastic club, the one that happens to be the club in the village Viktor Orban comes from, and who play in a stadium built and paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer the "football mad" Orban. Before he took an interest they were in the 4th regional tier, last year they finished 3rd in the top tier, a point ahead of Fehervar. What a heart-warming fairy-tale story. 😉. Well to be fair, they got the best HU result of the night, getting a 3-3 draw away at Fiorentina. They also lead the league with a 100% record after four games. Looks like Vik has fixed it, eh?
And the morale of this story? Pre-contracts are the tools of the Devil.1 -
Chelsea had a vested interest in getting their player out of a hellish situation where he was basically one of two(?) fit midfielders. He moved from a team that was clearly struggling and he had already outgrown, to a team that got into the playoffs in the same league. He continued his education. Bad for us but Chelsea’s hand was very much forced, or they might have had a ruined teenager on their hands by the end of the season.Not sure why the agent vendetta & you’re constantly pushing this - I’m not surprised your contact at the Athletic said there wasn’t a story. Because there isn’t. Clubs do have to deal with agents but agents aren’t the secret masterminds behind every player’s move.
As in all professions, there is some good and there is some bad. Overall I think players having agents is a net positive - I dread to think how many professional footballers would’ve been screwed by dodgy contracts without the presence of an agent working on their behalf.9 -
Callumcafc said:Chelsea had a vested interest in getting their player out of a hellish situation where he was basically one of two(?) fit midfielders. He moved from a team that was clearly struggling and he had already outgrown, to a team that got into the playoffs in the same league. He continued his education. Bad for us but Chelsea’s hand was very much forced, or they might have had a ruined teenager on their hands by the end of the season.Not sure why the agent vendetta & you’re constantly pushing this - I’m not surprised your contact at the Athletic said there wasn’t a story. Because there isn’t. Clubs do have to deal with agents but agents aren’t the secret masterminds behind every player’s move.
As in all professions, there is some good and there is some bad. Overall I think players having agents is a net positive - I dread to think how many professional footballers would’ve been screwed by dodgy contracts without the presence of an agent working on their behalf.1 -
Callumcafc said:Chelsea had a vested interest in getting their player out of a hellish situation where he was basically one of two(?) fit midfielders. He moved from a team that was clearly struggling and he had already outgrown, to a team that got into the playoffs in the same league. He continued his education. Bad for us but Chelsea’s hand was very much forced, or they might have had a ruined teenager on their hands by the end of the season.Not sure why the agent vendetta & you’re constantly pushing this - I’m not surprised your contact at the Athletic said there wasn’t a story. Because there isn’t. Clubs do have to deal with agents but agents aren’t the secret masterminds behind every player’s move.
As in all professions, there is some good and there is some bad. Overall I think players having agents is a net positive - I dread to think how many professional footballers would’ve been screwed by dodgy contracts without the presence of an agent working on their behalf.
I've been through all this before about Gallagher's agent but he has since tragically taken his own life so perhaps it would be inappropriate to dredge up all the details again. But I would remind you that when Chelsea sent Gallagher to us we were bookies favourite to go down. And a few months later after this supposed "hellish situation", and before the Sandgaard takeover was 100% secure, they were happy to lend us Iain Maadsen for the season.1 -
AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !11
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !4
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Although Dobson undoubtedly was a good player I believe Coventry, Berry and Docherty are all upgrades . The other two ex Charlton players gone to Wrexham O’Connell and Lee wouldn’t get anywhere near this Charlton team.8
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !3
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thenewbie said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !
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Garrymanilow said:thenewbie said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:AndyG said:I have a few friends who are Wrexham fans and I’m pleased to report that George is already establishing himself as a fans favourite just by doing the stuff George does !
But then again we signed a Championship experienced Welsh international who turned out to be utter shit in a Charlton shirt so it doesn't automatically follow they will PLAY better.
Though for clarity I fully expect that they will be much better and was being a bit facetious.1 -
I can't resist sharing an update on Hungarian clubs in Europe after the 2nd legs last night. Feel free to ignore, but It makes me smile.
Ferencvaros, the only club with any recent pedigree in Europe, are through to the league stage of the Europa League. They scraped through on penalties against Banja Luka of Serbia. And that will be the sole HU presence.
In the Conference, Paksi SE, the team who finished above Fehervar, I really expected to see off Mlada Boleslav, a very middling Czech team, the first leg having finished 2-2 in Czechia. But Paksi imploded on home ground, MB winning 3-0. Dear me.
And then we come to "Puskas Academy" the team playing in Felcsut, a village of 1,500 citizens, one of whom just happens to be "football mad" Viktor Orban. TBF, they had drawn 3-3 away with Fiorentina in the first leg, which I thought was pretty impressive. However at the village, Fiorentina scored on 59. Then it went to added on time and the "fun" started. on 90+4 Fiorentina were down to 10 men after a second yellow. On 90+7 PA equalised so it went to extra time. 7 mins into extra time Fiorentina were down to 9 men. For good measure at the same time the ref dished out a straight red to their Argentinian defender who had already been substituted, probably for enquiring whether the 4th official was Viktor Orban. However Fiorentina held on and won the penalty shoot out. Deary, deary me.
Part of me doesn't like to make fun as (we've seen) Hungary is full of passionate fans who are also very decent people. But they deserve better, and it shows what happens when politicians use football as a blatant tool of power. Hungary and Czechia ought to be equals in Europe. But today Sparta Prague are in the UCL league stage, Slavia and Viktoria are both in the Europa League stage, and even Mlada Boleslav still fly the flag in the Conference.
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PragueAddick said:So what did Dobbo miss by not going to Fehervar? "The chance to play in Europe", some of you said. I pointed out at the time that this part of his season might be all over by September. I also questioned how exciting he might find the Hungarian League. So last night while watching Viktoria make a right pigs ear of what should have been an easy first leg against Hearts, I took a look to see how the Hungarian teams are making an impact in Europe.
Fehervar were always only destined for the Conference League. That destiny came to an abrupt end when they lost at home to the giants of Omonia Nicosia, in front of 3,840 fans, which may or may not have included Viktor Orban, allegedly their no.1 fan. That happened on August 14, four days after Charlton's season started.
Well we heard that Fehervar have problems, which led to George receiving a get-out card. What of the others? Ferencvaros, the champions, went into the UCL qualifiers and were immediately kicked out by Midtylland, the Danish team the Brentford owner Benham has (? still) a stake in. In the Europa League last night they could only draw 0-0 at home with Banja Luka of Serbia - although I'd really expect them to turn that around. 13,167 turned out the see the champions play in Europe, some 2,000 less than at the Valley last Saturday.
Paksi SE went into the Europa League. They also didn't last long after losing 4-0 at home to Corvinul Hunedoara. No, me neither, but they are from Romania. A crowd of 4,182 watched that, which in fact is near capacity. The town is called Paks. i have no idea where it is, and sadly Dobbo will never find out. Anyway they dropped into the Conference and last night were up this way and drew 2-2 at Mlada Boleslav, a bang average team from the home town of Skoda Auto. Should be a thriller next week in Paks.
And last but not least, Puskas Academy. This is the ultimate plastic club, the one that happens to be the club in the village Viktor Orban comes from, and who play in a stadium built and paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer the "football mad" Orban. Before he took an interest they were in the 4th regional tier, last year they finished 3rd in the top tier, a point ahead of Fehervar. What a heart-warming fairy-tale story. 😉. Well to be fair, they got the best HU result of the night, getting a 3-3 draw away at Fiorentina. They also lead the league with a 100% record after four games. Looks like Vik has fixed it, eh?
And the moral of this story? Pre-contracts are the tools of the Devil.1 -
Got an assist today and Wrexham fans love him already. One on there fans forum already calling him a cheat code. Wrexham sit 2nd.
Good luck to him. Great servant of ours, gave everything for the club whilst here.
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Athletico Charlton said:Got an assist today and Wrexham fans love him already. One on there fans forum already calling him a cheat code. Wrexham sit 2nd.
Good luck to him. Great servant of ours, gave everything for the club whilst here.20 -
bolloxbolder said:Athletico Charlton said:Got an assist today and Wrexham fans love him already. One on there fans forum already calling him a cheat code. Wrexham sit 2nd.
Good luck to him. Great servant of ours, gave everything for the club whilst here.
I know there were quite a few people criticising him early on, but I haven't seen much negativity towards him as a player recently**. Personally, I liked him from the moment he first arrived and would have gladly welcomed him back after the Hungarygate. However, since that didn't happen, I'm still fairly content with what we have now.
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bolloxbolder said:Athletico Charlton said:Got an assist today and Wrexham fans love him already. One on there fans forum already calling him a cheat code. Wrexham sit 2nd.
Good luck to him. Great servant of ours, gave everything for the club whilst here.0