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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Politics no
    Misogyny yo
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,880
    Huskaris said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Huskaris said:
    JamesSeed said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Maybe one of the reasons ULEZ is having less of an impact in terms of elections may be that London's air quality is improving.
    Anti ULEZ people would be pretty motivated to vote. But there may not be as many of them as you’d think. 
    I think that's it really. There aren't as many of them as people would think. I'm not necessarily buying into some Guardian conspiracy that it's all Tories/bots/Vladimir Putin when he's bored etc but Hall literally said she would overturn ULEZ, as far as I'm concerned people have had their chances to vote against it now and didn't, Khan romped home with 16% of the vote.

    If I had bothered to vote it would have been Green, I don't think Khan did a good job of implementing ULEZ, plus I don't particularly like him as he is a divisive character (or because I'm a massive racist if your ego is too fragile to handle that people have legitimately different views to you) but there's absolutely no way I would want it overturned. It would have been a huge step back.
    It was only ever the outer London extension that was to be reversed. Clean air in practice would not have been lost. 
    It will have a benefit to those areas though won't it? 

    I do agree though about seeing the management information as I doubt it will have had as big an impact as was claimed, but it will surely have had an impact. 

    I'd like to see a hierarchy of what contributes to the poor air in London and I would vote for a Mayor who commits to go after the next thing, I am guessing that these cars off the road are a very very small proportion of what is causing issues.

    Not wanting clean air (and I'm not aiming this at you) is absolute insanity. Somehow it has become a part of the culture wars on both sides.
    I think some people confused the outer London potential ‘reversal’ with scrapping the whole thing. That’s what I was highlighting. 

    In outer London we were already downstream beneficiaries of the previous boundaries. As others have said because drivers have in many cases already changed behaviours and or the car they drive I didn’t see any threat to our air quality here. 

    I do agree there must logically be some marginal benefit in the air quality when the measures are published. But I assume marginal as I understood that was the official TFL forecast. 

    I also agree other contributory factors should be explored and identified if that is feasible to do. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Hall smashed Khan in Bexley & Bromley. 
  • BeerandFootball
    BeerandFootball Posts: 22
    Covered End said:
    Hall smashed Khan in Bexley & Bromley. 

  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,079
    Covered End said:
    Hall smashed Khan in Bexley & Bromley. 
    Zero swing from the last mayoral election.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The last mayoral election was under a different voting system.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,843
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    Covered End said:
    Hall smashed Khan in Bexley & Bromley. 
    Zero swing from the last mayoral election.
    But compared to the national swing to Labour that is a good result for them surely? 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    isnt the usual thing to say after a supposed referendum, ‘you lost, get over it’? 
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,593
    I’ll give this thread 30 minutes before it becomes another one closed because some posters can’t help themselves and insist on shoehorning politics in despite being asked not to. Pathetic really 
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,079
    MrOneLung said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    Covered End said:
    Hall smashed Khan in Bexley & Bromley. 
    Zero swing from the last mayoral election.
    But compared to the national swing to Labour that is a good result for them surely? 
    Depends how you define a good result. Bromley council spent £147,853.20 on challenging ULEZ at court, arranged various protests including the one where horses circled the Orpington war memorial and didn't gain a 0.1% vote swing. They also lost the court case. This in a borough where they would elect Michael Appleton if they stuck a blue rosette on him. 

    Personally i saw it's a result for Khan.
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  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    https://amp.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/06/m25-weekend-closure-drivers-told-to-stick-to-diversion-to-avoid-london-ulez-charges
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,609
    DaveMehmet said:
    I’ll give this thread 30 minutes before it becomes another one closed because some posters can’t help themselves and insist on shoehorning politics in despite being asked not to. Pathetic really 
    Come on, you’re the first, everyone on about red v blue, there’s you pink v brown.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,079
    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/london-has-some-of-the-best-air-quality-in-europe-according-to-a-new-study-051724
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,727
    Sadiq Khan about to sign a deal for London's next generation of Electric Buses with a China.  
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,231
    Dansk_Red said:
    Sadiq Khan about to sign a deal for London's next generation of Electric Buses with a China.  
    The buses are ordered by the bus company not the mayor.

    There are already hundreds of buses in London with the BYD Chinese chassis. The new buses just have a body supplied by the company.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    More or less everything is made in China.

  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,727
    But there are alternatives but they cost more. 
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?

    The results of a recent research project are in.

    In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-kill-pedestrians-at-twice-the-rate-of-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles-study-finds/ar-BB1mOdEX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=6eb5c5229a93409f9e5fcc7f2933be2b&ei=38
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,431
    cafcfan said:
    So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?

    The results of a recent research project are in.

    In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-kill-pedestrians-at-twice-the-rate-of-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles-study-finds/ar-BB1mOdEX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=6eb5c5229a93409f9e5fcc7f2933be2b&ei=38
    That's an argument that's been going on since long before Khan was elected. Blind people have been campaigning for electric vehicles' sound levels to be artificially increased for many years now. 
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,241
    Thats an interesting point, not only are electric vehicles silent they weigh loads more than ICE vehicles (I won't get started on them and potholes, tyre degradation) so getting hit at 20 mph by one is going to do a lot more damage than a car with a combustion engine 
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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Seeing as how his father was a bus driver I’m surprised that Sadiq Khan is so poor at it as he drives around London in an eleven ton electric car deliberately running into and killing people.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,635
    seth plum said:
    Seeing as how his father was a bus driver I’m surprised that Sadiq Khan is so poor at it as he drives around London in an eleven ton electric car deliberately running into and killing people.
    His father was a bus driver? He has never mentioned it before.
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,489
    cafcfan said:
    So, Khan could be killing more people than he saves?

    The results of a recent research project are in.

    In a nutshell, 5.16 pedestrians on average were hit by an electric or hybrid car for every 100 million miles that type of vehicle had driven, compared with 2.4 people for petrol and diesel cars.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-kill-pedestrians-at-twice-the-rate-of-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles-study-finds/ar-BB1mOdEX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=6eb5c5229a93409f9e5fcc7f2933be2b&ei=38
    THe study used was for traffic accidents between 2013 and 2017 UK wide. Only 1% of the vehicles were electric/hybrid (22% were unclassified). Weak stuff even ignoring that ULEZ doesn't require electric or hybrid cars.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    In London Sadiq Khan is well known as being the fifth horseman of the apocalypse.
    Well maybe not horseman, the battery powered person of the apocalypse.
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,727
    SK/TFL finding a new way to raise money.


    I love the Green Party comments

    But the Green Party said these incentives "were always going to be time limited".

    Caroline Russell AM said: "If every Londoner drives an electric car we won't tackle congestion, air pollution or the climate crisis.

    "The best solution to any concerns about unfairness in changes like this is to move to smart, fair road user charging."

  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds. 

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds | Low emission zones | The Guardian

    Imagine our surprise. 

  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,846
    JamesSeed said:

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds. 

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds | Low emission zones | The Guardian

    Imagine our surprise. 

    Another positive impact of legislation driven by the Mayor of London.

    Boris Johnson, take a bow. 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,880
    Still nothing on the costs / fines collected / issued as far as I can see in the interim report. 

    Of course however air quality is estimated as improving - how could it not?



  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited July 2024
    SporadicAddick said:
    JamesSeed said:

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds. 

    Ulez expansion led to significant drop in air pollutants in London, report finds | Low emission zones | The Guardian

    Imagine our surprise. 

    Another positive impact of legislation driven by the Mayor of London.

    Boris Johnson, take a bow. 
    You know what, I think that other than saying that Donald Trump was ‘totally unfit for office’, ULEZ is his only achievement (even though it wasn’t his idea). Fair play to Boris and Sadiq for ‘getting ULEZ done’. 
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Looking at some of the figures in that report it looks like this is losing money handover fist as more and more cars are ULEZ compliant.


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