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Who should we keep, who should we let go ?
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As I said on the other thread, I'm sure the delay is so that we can get as many of the out of contract players we want to keep signed up as possible, to avoid having to say in the statement "we have offered contracts to A, B, C and they are thinking about it"
In addition I'm sure they'll also want to announce some good news on the contract front, signing key youngsters on longer deals, e.g. Leaburn and Ness, both of which will be on really low wages that don't reflect their first team regular status now.1 -
Bristol Rovers was his fuckup and responsibility, sure. Everything else was collective mistakes in the main. All defenders make errorstalalsrightfoot said:
Just casually forgetting his errors throughout the season that cost us matches ?Leuth said:These red cards he 'should' have gotten - you know there's a pretty thorough retrospective punishment system?
I look at him and I see a very useful squad member who's clearly good to have around the group, who can step in when required.0 -
Yes, it's pretty obvious isn't it.killerandflash said:As I said on the other thread, I'm sure the delay is so that we can get as many of the out of contract players we want to keep signed up as possible, to avoid having to say in the statement "we have offered contracts to A, B, C and they are thinking about it"
In addition I'm sure they'll also want to announce some good news on the contract front, signing key youngsters on longer deals, e.g. Leaburn and Ness, both of which will be on really low wages that don't reflect their first team regular status now.0 -
Reckless aggression? How about the tackle he did on that Wimbledon player.talalsrightfoot said:
Reckless aggression is doing something stupidly aggressive for no discernable reason. I dont know why so many of our fans defend him, that attempt to score involved him literrally running full pelt and shoulder barging someone in the back for a ball he was never going to win when he was on a yellow in the midst of an injury crisis. Also what about the reds the season before ? Lets not mention the number of individual mistakes he has made and thr number of times he has skated on thin ice in matches, look at his record is he genuinley unlucky or maybe he is just reckless ? Does anyone look at him and actually think he is a CB who will get us promoted.Leuth said:What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
One of the worst tackles I have ever seen on a football pitch. He could have ended that player's career that night.
That should have been the end of him with us.3 -
Paying up his contract may have a positive effect on our FFP limits but I am happy to be proved wrong if paying up his contract still counts to the overall figure.Sillybilly said:
Cant argue with any of this. Hard to se how we’ll get rid of Chuks other than by paying up his contract thoughtalalsrightfoot said:The players that need to be released -
Innis - he needs to go but suspect we may keep him the longer the ownership issue goes on. The man has shown himself to be a liability time and time again, firstly through injuries then his reckless aggression. TBH he was lucky to get another season with us.
Wollacott - no fault of his own and would love him as a number 2 in an ideal world but is on a first team salary and unfortunately i have AMB slightly ahead in terms of quality and massively ahead in terms of potential for improvement and financial rewards.
Clare - he started well but unfortunately can tell he isnt committed anymore, seems more interested in his fashion label now. Is a jack of all trades master of none and his performances have dipped.
Jaysimi - not as fast as CBT or have the ability either.
Bonne - was never a fan when we had him first time was brought in to take pressure off Leaburn and has been woeful. We need another CF as soon as possible. Bonne isnt a striker at this level for me l, at least for a club wanting promotion.
Chuks - Unfortunate because his ability is clearly there but he has to go down as one of the worst decisions this administration made we paid cash and gave 3 years to a player we all knew wasnt fit enough to play.1 -
But the reality was the guy played on afterwards I think didn't he?Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Reckless aggression? How about the tackle he did on that Wimbledon player.talalsrightfoot said:
Reckless aggression is doing something stupidly aggressive for no discernable reason. I dont know why so many of our fans defend him, that attempt to score involved him literrally running full pelt and shoulder barging someone in the back for a ball he was never going to win when he was on a yellow in the midst of an injury crisis. Also what about the reds the season before ? Lets not mention the number of individual mistakes he has made and thr number of times he has skated on thin ice in matches, look at his record is he genuinley unlucky or maybe he is just reckless ? Does anyone look at him and actually think he is a CB who will get us promoted.Leuth said:What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
One of the worst tackles I have ever seen on a football pitch. He could have ended that player's career that night.
That should have been the end of him with us.
I'm not saying he's the next Beckenbauer but he is definitely a useful squad player and, at times last season, showed himself to be a decent defender . I'd keep him without a doubt0 -
Are you referring to Innis ???Leuth said:These red cards he 'should' have gotten - you know there's a pretty thorough retrospective punishment system?
I look at him and I see a very useful squad member who's clearly good to have around the group, who can step in when required.0 -
People are mentioning that we should pay up Chuks contract. Why ? Unless he agreed to taking less which is unlikely and frankly why should he, what’s the point. Yes he’s never going to feature much but if it’s going to cost as much to get rid as keep then surely we should keep and cross our fingers that he manages perhaps ten games, hopefully more. Quite honestly we should never given him the contract we did. Our fault and we’re stuck with it.3
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Maybe right Shooters, there is a bit of me that thinks that if we let him go he would sign for another team in this division, play 46 games without injury and finish top scorer in the division.1
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True he did. But only through sheer good fortune.Swisdom said:
But the reality was the guy played on afterwards I think didn't he?Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Reckless aggression? How about the tackle he did on that Wimbledon player.talalsrightfoot said:
Reckless aggression is doing something stupidly aggressive for no discernable reason. I dont know why so many of our fans defend him, that attempt to score involved him literrally running full pelt and shoulder barging someone in the back for a ball he was never going to win when he was on a yellow in the midst of an injury crisis. Also what about the reds the season before ? Lets not mention the number of individual mistakes he has made and thr number of times he has skated on thin ice in matches, look at his record is he genuinley unlucky or maybe he is just reckless ? Does anyone look at him and actually think he is a CB who will get us promoted.Leuth said:What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
One of the worst tackles I have ever seen on a football pitch. He could have ended that player's career that night.
That should have been the end of him with us.
I'm not saying he's the next Beckenbauer but he is definitely a useful squad player and, at times last season, showed himself to be a decent defender . I'd keep him without a doubt1 -
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I doubt he’d get another club to take him on to be honest. Possibly on pay as you play but why would he do that when he’s still pulling down good weekly bucks with us with no worries. How longs he got left on his contract ?Bailey said:Maybe right Shooters, there is a bit of me that thinks that if we let him go he would sign for another team in this division, play 46 games without injury and finish top scorer in the division.0 -
In regards to Inniss
Since Holden has come in he has played 20 games
Got a yellow v Barnsley
Got a red v Fleetwood(which was correctly rescinded)
Got 2 yellows v Ipswich
So thats 20 games 3 yellows 1 red(not counting the rescinded 1
No one can say he hasn't changed since Holden has come in, he looks so much more disciplined.
In regards to mistakes yes he has made mistakes, but every Inniss mistake that leads to a goal is amplified by the fact people dislike him, I can remember at least 2 or 3 mistakes Hector made of the top of my head that are glossed over because he is not Inniss
I would personally keep him as a squad player5 -
I’d keep him in the squad, if only for those games where you’re expecting an aerial bombardment. And perhaps get him under a sports psychologist, although as Paulie has pointed out, he’s improved since Holden came in. I just feel we’re less likely to be bullied with him in the side.Swisdom said:
But the reality was the guy played on afterwards I think didn't he?Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Reckless aggression? How about the tackle he did on that Wimbledon player.talalsrightfoot said:
Reckless aggression is doing something stupidly aggressive for no discernable reason. I dont know why so many of our fans defend him, that attempt to score involved him literrally running full pelt and shoulder barging someone in the back for a ball he was never going to win when he was on a yellow in the midst of an injury crisis. Also what about the reds the season before ? Lets not mention the number of individual mistakes he has made and thr number of times he has skated on thin ice in matches, look at his record is he genuinley unlucky or maybe he is just reckless ? Does anyone look at him and actually think he is a CB who will get us promoted.Leuth said:What 'reckless aggression' do you mean from last season? Of Inniss' 3 unrescinded red cards, 2 were last-man fouls where he barely touched the opponent and the other was a second yellow for an attempt to score a last-minute winner against a Cotswolds village whom we should have mashed out of sight. Frankly if someone didn't go in hard to try and head that corner home I'd have been disappointed
One of the worst tackles I have ever seen on a football pitch. He could have ended that player's career that night.
That should have been the end of him with us.
I'm not saying he's the next Beckenbauer but he is definitely a useful squad player and, at times last season, showed himself to be a decent defender . I'd keep him without a doubt0 -
The main problem here is KWE (Keyboard Warriors Ego).The usual suspects have 'Cancelled' Inniss because they have dug such deep holes for themselves they can't go back.However, this is well said and is why Holden made him captain:paulie8290 said:In regards to Inniss
Since Holden has come in he has played 20 games
Got a yellow v Barnsley
Got a red v Fleetwood(which was correctly rescinded)
Got 2 yellows v Ipswich
So thats 20 games 3 yellows 1 red(not counting the rescinded 1
No one can say he hasn't changed since Holden has come in, he looks so much more disciplined.
In regards to mistakes yes he has made mistakes, but every Inniss mistake that leads to a goal is amplified by the fact people dislike him, I can remember at least 2 or 3 mistakes Hector made of the top of my head that are glossed over because he is not Inniss
I would personally keep him as a squad player
I'm glad he is on our side!PS The two yellows at Ipswich: First one was for the push before the tackle. The second was where the forward ran across him in the penalty area and as he can't jump seven foot in the air, it was a penalty.
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After reading the CAST statement,we'd better keep everyone we can!0
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And i'm only half joking0
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The main problem here is KHE (Keyboard Hardman Ego), how anyone can see Innis and say he is -m_2 said:The main problem here is KWE (Keyboard Warriors Ego).The usual suspects have 'Cancelled' Inniss because they have dug such deep holes for themselves they can't go back.However, this is well said and is why Holden made him captain:paulie8290 said:In regards to Inniss
Since Holden has come in he has played 20 games
Got a yellow v Barnsley
Got a red v Fleetwood(which was correctly rescinded)
Got 2 yellows v Ipswich
So thats 20 games 3 yellows 1 red(not counting the rescinded 1
No one can say he hasn't changed since Holden has come in, he looks so much more disciplined.
In regards to mistakes yes he has made mistakes, but every Inniss mistake that leads to a goal is amplified by the fact people dislike him, I can remember at least 2 or 3 mistakes Hector made of the top of my head that are glossed over because he is not Inniss
I would personally keep him as a squad player
I'm glad he is on our side!PS The two yellows at Ipswich: First one was for the push before the tackle. The second was where the forward ran across him in the penalty area and as he can't jump seven foot in the air, it was a penalty.
A) a rational defender who isnt a liability with his discipline
Anything other than an average CB when he plays at his best.
Why would we keep one of our highest earners to be a squad player ?0 -
Is he? Others have said he’s one of our lowest earners.talalsrightfoot said:
The main problem here is KHE (Keyboard Hardman Ego), how anyone can see Innis and say he is -m_2 said:The main problem here is KWE (Keyboard Warriors Ego).The usual suspects have 'Cancelled' Inniss because they have dug such deep holes for themselves they can't go back.However, this is well said and is why Holden made him captain:paulie8290 said:In regards to Inniss
Since Holden has come in he has played 20 games
Got a yellow v Barnsley
Got a red v Fleetwood(which was correctly rescinded)
Got 2 yellows v Ipswich
So thats 20 games 3 yellows 1 red(not counting the rescinded 1
No one can say he hasn't changed since Holden has come in, he looks so much more disciplined.
In regards to mistakes yes he has made mistakes, but every Inniss mistake that leads to a goal is amplified by the fact people dislike him, I can remember at least 2 or 3 mistakes Hector made of the top of my head that are glossed over because he is not Inniss
I would personally keep him as a squad player
I'm glad he is on our side!PS The two yellows at Ipswich: First one was for the push before the tackle. The second was where the forward ran across him in the penalty area and as he can't jump seven foot in the air, it was a penalty.
A) a rational defender who isnt a liability with his discipline Anything other than an average CB when he plays at his best.
Why would we keep one of our highest earners to be a squad player ?1 -
Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?0 -
He’s also on pretty low wages if that chart that was on here is correctpaulie8290 said:In regards to Inniss
Since Holden has come in he has played 20 games
Got a yellow v Barnsley
Got a red v Fleetwood(which was correctly rescinded)
Got 2 yellows v Ipswich
So thats 20 games 3 yellows 1 red(not counting the rescinded 1
No one can say he hasn't changed since Holden has come in, he looks so much more disciplined.
In regards to mistakes yes he has made mistakes, but every Inniss mistake that leads to a goal is amplified by the fact people dislike him, I can remember at least 2 or 3 mistakes Hector made of the top of my head that are glossed over because he is not Inniss
I would personally keep him as a squad player0 -
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After reading the CAST report I think we should hold on to them all. Sandgaard won’t be funding anything better.1
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New superstarCafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?
hector
Ness
Mitchell / Deji
Goodbye Thomas and Innis2 -
Dream on . . .Athletico Charlton said:
New superstarCafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?
hector
Ness
Mitchell / Deji
Goodbye Thomas and Innis
1. Our little third division club is not going to buy a Bobby Moore
2. Inniss is a family man whose kids will be reading the way some idiots on here trash their dad
3. None of these idiots would say their trash to Inniss in the car park at Sparrows or the Valley, their keyboard is the limit of their bravery
4. He is one of our players, a substitute captain for Dobbo with all the respect from the squad and manager that that entails
5. The lowest of the low always need a scapegoat which says a lot more about their own issues3 -
I get where your coming from and 100% agree with the top 3.Athletico Charlton said:
New superstarCafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?
hector
Ness
Mitchell / Deji
Goodbye Thomas and Innis
But Deji needs to play regular men's football if he ends up in the same situation Hector did at Fulham he will be sat on the bench or worse can't be risked in the u21s incase he is needed the next day.
Loan out Deji, give Mitchell the early cup games and loads of u21 games. Pay someone else to sit on the bench. If either really kick on you could always loan that "someone" out in January, if not before but we really can't risk 2 senior center backs and Ness who has played a dozen or so games, can we?
TBH I am surprised no one has played the Charlie Barker card..0 -
Neither Deji nor Mitchell are ready to start the season as 4th choice CB, that would be far too much pressure on them, when Ness is only 21 himself.
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Its called an opinion and no one is trashing him personally, if Innis cant take criticism then he is probably in the wrong game.m_2 said:
Dream on . . .Athletico Charlton said:
New superstarCafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?
hector
Ness
Mitchell / Deji
Goodbye Thomas and Innis
1. Our little third division club is not going to buy a Bobby Moore
2. Inniss is a family man whose kids will be reading the way some idiots on here trash their dad
3. None of these idiots would say their trash to Inniss in the car park at Sparrows or the Valley, their keyboard is the limit of their bravery
4. He is one of our players, a substitute captain for Dobbo with all the respect from the squad and manager that that entails
5. The lowest of the low always need a scapegoat which says a lot more about their own issues
As for say something to his face ? Maybe you are right but just because they wouldnt say it to his face through fear of him doesnt change the fact that he has been liability ? What should we do give him a 5 year contract because he is a bit hard.
Lowest of the low is a bit personal ? I know nothing about him as a person, he could be a nice guy all i know as a player (in my opinion and many others) he has been a liability in his time here through his discipline, injury worries and this seasons especially his general play.
There seems to be a real section of our fan base who let their insecurities get the best of them and want to let vicarioursly through Innis because it makes them feel hard. Bit pathetic really.2 -
Honestly from what ive seen id take Thomas as our 4th choice, maybe let deji or mitchell have a go.Cafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?0 -
We need to have some standards. Innis needs to go, his disciplinary record is an outrage.1
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I would keep Innis. Yes he has the odd mistake in him but he is a decent defender and his fitness seems to be being managed. He is also a massive set piece threat. I dont think we are in a position where we are going to be bringing in anyone better.1
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Great comments,I am in the Innis camp,last season virtually injury free,he became a different player under Holden,in as much he played to his ability,(rather than try to be a Rio Ferdinand)and cut out a lot of rash play which got him into trouble.He did make the odd error which he got punished for(The famed back heel) but he wont do that again.Given the opportunity I firmly believe he will become a rock solid part of our defence.m_2 said:
Dream on . . .Athletico Charlton said:
New superstarCafc43v3r said:Sorry are we talking about the same Inniss that was a "cheat code" for the first two seasons he was here? Yet was permanently injured. The number of people that said if we could get 25 games out of him...
In my opinion we need to resign Hector and sign a center half that is better than anyone else at the club.
In that scenario who would the "get ridders" sign to take Inniss's place as 3rd/4th choice along side Ness?
hector
Ness
Mitchell / Deji
Goodbye Thomas and Innis
1. Our little third division club is not going to buy a Bobby Moore
2. Inniss is a family man whose kids will be reading the way some idiots on here trash their dad
3. None of these idiots would say their trash to Inniss in the car park at Sparrows or the Valley, their keyboard is the limit of their bravery
4. He is one of our players, a substitute captain for Dobbo with all the respect from the squad and manager that that entails
5. The lowest of the low always need a scapegoat which says a lot more about their own issues2
