Who should we keep, who should we let go ?

redbuttle

se9addick said:

SporadicAddick said:

Leuth said:

Why so angry? It's an end of season game and we're stuck in midtable. We were always going to get well beaten today in all likelihood. I didn't watch it (I've watched all our other games recently) because I knew something like this would happen (and because my girlfriend wanted a day out). The time to get angry is if this keeps happening, when it matters. I'm much angrier about our struggles earlier in the season against weaker teams than a cricket-season shellacking by a team who'll probably be aiming at the Premiership next season

Because I spent a whole day and a couple of hundred quid to watch us get done 6 nil in division three, with the sort of performance that was beyond embarrassment. I can almost accept lack of quality, because you get what you pay for, but I won't accept a lack of effort, commitment and passion, and yesterday was pitiful. 

I stayed to the end to let them know how I felt - amazed to see plenty clapping the team off. 

I would love to know why someone would - un-ironically - clap the players off yesterday? 

I asked a fellow supporter that as he was clapping the players off at the end. He told me to fuck off, but did come back later and apologise. Funny thing 

was that he was in his 70s..

th0rryy

Want To Keep

AMB - Potential, but will still make mistakes. Circumstances forced him in and has played well, but realistically should be a backup/out on loan in L2. Shot stopping excellent and makes for good highlights, decision making and distribution still need work.
Mitchell - Potential for sure, cheap squad backup.
Elerewe - Decent player in there. More potential than some, probably a L2 loan.
Ness - Decent potential, getting better. Would pick every week if fit.
Dobson - Gives his all every week, first name on team sheet. Needs a backup in some way.
Campbell - Very good player in the making. Probably can't yet play every game, but love watching him play. 
Leaburn - Provided he isn't sold in the summer, will keep getting better. If fit, can now lead the line. Feel like getting sold and being loaned back is quite likely.

On The Fence (need better, but down to wages/squad depth - several/most of these will probably be kept unless we spend big)

Harness - Send out on a NL/L2 loan if we keep the other two, but otherwise sit as backup.
Egbo - If he stays fit, I think he's almost good enough, but touch and go. Concerned he wouldn't play majority of games.
Chin - Send out on NL/L2 loan, not yet convinced. Inconsistent, but that's more his age.
Thomas - Can also play a couple of positions. Don't think he's good enough to push for promotion, but just about OK as cover.
Hector - Too many inconsistent performances. Sometimes looks OK, sometimes horrific.
Clare - Versatility is his value, but he's a jack of many trades and master of none. Probably not good enough.
Morgan - MUST step up. He can score goals, but just needs to become more consistent. Last chance saloon.
Henry - There is a player here, but can't backup Dobson. Send out on a L2 loan.
Fraser - Too expensive on wages. Inconsistent (common theme). He needs to carry games more often. Feel like he's only going to get worse, not better from now on.
CBT - Fitness and injury record is poor. Has to have minutes managed. Great on his day, but similarly inconsistent. A luxury player that frustrates more than delights.
Kanu - Think there's a player in there, but still very raw. NL/L2 loan needed.

Probably Sold/Release

Wollacott - Probably doesn't want to compete with AMB for the spot, but it's close between them. Worth recouping some money/wage budget.
Inniss - Would get rid based on discipline and inconsistency. Refs have one eye on him all game. Not good enough for a playoff team and can regularly be a liability.
Payne - Not good enough. L2/Lower L1 is about his level, sadly.
Aneke - Sorry Chuks, too luxury for your wages. Will probably retire.
Bonne - Not good enough, and very inconsistent.

Loans

JRS - Definitely not coming back. Leaves a huge hole.
Sessegnon - Would probably take for another year, but management of minutes is expensive.
Kane - We can do better.
Penney - Awful. Genuinely terrible.
Kilkenny - Not good enough for the way we play. Need better cover than this for Dobson.

Get As Much Shrapnel Back As Possible

Kirk, Lavelle, Gilbey, Jaiyesimi and McGrandles - not good enough for the squad, just recoup anything we can. Get rid.

Goodbye

Anyone called (or related to) Sandgaard - leave.

Croydon

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ParkinsonOut

Get rid of - Innis, Bonne, Clare, Hector, Aneke, Thomas, Lavelle, Kirk, DJ, McGrandles

The only players I would want to keep - AMB, Ness, Dobson, Leaburn, CBT, Fraser, Jojo, Campbell, Henry, Mitchell, Kanu, Elerewe

Not sure - Morgan, Harness, Egbo, Gilbey, Payne, 

Chunes

I think asking if we should re-sign X is often too convenient of a question because the answer is yeah sure, why not, he's already here and he's alright, etc.. 

Really the question should be: if this player didn't play for Charlton and was a free agent, would we be happy signing him?

Take Albie Morgan for example. Let's pretend he doesn't play for Charlton and is a free agent.

Now Albie is announced as our first signing of the summer.

What's the reaction? Let's be honest, that is an awful signing. So why renew him.

Should we sign Innis, with his track record... Whatever for?

The list goes on. 

RedChaser

redbuttle said:

se9addick said:

SporadicAddick said:

Leuth said:

Why so angry? It's an end of season game and we're stuck in midtable. We were always going to get well beaten today in all likelihood. I didn't watch it (I've watched all our other games recently) because I knew something like this would happen (and because my girlfriend wanted a day out). The time to get angry is if this keeps happening, when it matters. I'm much angrier about our struggles earlier in the season against weaker teams than a cricket-season shellacking by a team who'll probably be aiming at the Premiership next season

Because I spent a whole day and a couple of hundred quid to watch us get done 6 nil in division three, with the sort of performance that was beyond embarrassment. I can almost accept lack of quality, because you get what you pay for, but I won't accept a lack of effort, commitment and passion, and yesterday was pitiful. 

I stayed to the end to let them know how I felt - amazed to see plenty clapping the team off. 

I would love to know why someone would - un-ironically - clap the players off yesterday? 

I asked a fellow supporter that as he was clapping the players off at the end. He told me to fuck off, but did come back later and apologise. Funny thing 

was that he was in his 70s..

Was it your Dad ? Sons can get on your tits sometimes 😉

SporadicAddick

Keep Clare - one of the few players I enjoy watching.

Lewis Coaches

The Laundry basket.
Sorry thought you said What should we keep

charlton_hero

SporadicAddick said:

Keep Clare - one of the few players I enjoy watching.

Get rid, limited player who can never seem to stop the cross. 

th0rryy

Chunes said:

I think asking if we should re-sign X is often too convenient of a question because the answer is yeah sure, why not, he's already here and he's alright, etc.. 

Really the question should be: if this player didn't play for Charlton and was a free agent, would we be happy signing him?

It all boils down to ownership/investment, plus an acceptance of the fact we are currently a bang-average, middle of the table L1 side.

Sure, if money comes in, we can be looking at better players, but even then, agents start licking their lips at the dollar signs and we probably can't recruit in every squad place in one summer window. Realistically, a fair amount of that current, average squad will stay, unless any new owners have money to burn. You can think like this is Football Manager and we could have the full clear out, but that (as sad as it is to accept) probably not going to be a reality.

We won't appeal to those kind of better players unless we have the money to show we can realistically challenge for promotion. It's all linked together, so everything has to come with a huge dose of remembering where we are.

JamesSeed

Last time I answered this question I came up with:

Keep:
Egbo, Dobbo, Ness, Hector, Leaburn (+AMB)

Let Go:
Kirk, Bonne, Lavelle, Chuks, Penny

Still think Egbo is a decent player, despite yesterday.
Hector I think is quite classy, but he did have a mare yesterday.
Could certainly add Kilkenny, Kane and a few others to the let go list.

This evening I'm almost beyond caring. I doubt I'd be upset if they let any of them go other than Leaburn and Ness. Perhaps Dobson. Sad times.

Probably time to have a break from football after a rubbish weekend of sport. Lutsenko narrowly missing out getting a place at the Amstel Gold race was the final straw. Backed e/w at 70/1
:-(

A lot of people losing their rag with each other on here doesn't help any of us either.

MintoHumbugs

Keep AMB, Ness, Dobson,, leaburn. Frazer. CBT . Egbo, Campbell. Maybe Hector and Thomas on one year deals . Chuks will still be here and probably finish second top scorer with his dozen games so that’s 11 at a push . All the rest can go and replacements found.

jackmasterflash

I would get rid of players like Morgan and clare. I want them to succeed but they blow hot and cold and don't know their best position either.
Sess the only loan player to keep but even he is expensive for the amount of game time he gives.

Keep - cbt dobson, Fraser, wollacott, Hector and all the youngsters.

Innis, aneke and Todd kane might struggle to find another club. Especially aneke who I remain convinced does too much weight training so causes himself alot of injuries. 

Bangkokaddick

It's an interesting one, though my guess is the answers would be different this week to what they would after the 6-0 win over Shrewsbury.

A week ago, Hector and Innis may have been on the retain list. Now they suddenly appear on the get rid lists.

Innis is a difficult one as he is a divisive player. There's no doubting his commitment but that's partly what gives him such an awful disciplinary record. Despite a nightmare on Saturday, that I haven't seen, Hector generally seems to be a level above our other central defenders.

There are several players that I'd possibly keep but mainly to strengthen the bench (e.g. Inniss, Clare, Thomas) alongside the those that most others have touted, but we really need a few in to strengthen that starting lineup.

LargeAddick

Chunes said:

I think asking if we should re-sign X is often too convenient of a question because the answer is yeah sure, why not, he's already here and he's alright, etc.. 

Really the question should be: if this player didn't play for Charlton and was a free agent, would we be happy signing him?

Take Albie Morgan for example. Let's pretend he doesn't play for Charlton and is a free agent.

Now Albie is announced as our first signing of the summer.

What's the reaction? Let's be honest, that is an awful signing. So why renew him.

Should we sign Innis, with his track record... Whatever for?

The list goes on. 

In your scenario if we signed Morgan I’d have to google him to find out who he is. I doubt there are many, if any, fans in League One who if they signed him would say ‘oooh, he stood out against us, good signing’ so yes you are right why would we then want to re-sign him.

LargeAddick

jackmasterflash said:

I would get rid of players like Morgan and clare. I want them to succeed but they blow hot and cold and don't know their best position either.
Sess the only loan player to keep but even he is expensive for the amount of game time he gives.

Keep - cbt dobson, Fraser, wollacott, Hector and all the youngsters.

Innis, aneke and Todd kane might struggle to find another club. Especially aneke who I remain convinced does too much weight training so causes himself alot of injuries. 

Inniss and Kane struggling to find another club isn’t really of our concern but if they were at least that means we have released them.

MuttleyCAFC

LenGlover said:

carly burn said:

Out of interest, who did Powell keep hold of prior to splashing out on his new recruits?

Jackson was the main one and youngsters like Solly, Waggy and Harriott.

He brought in Hamer, Wiggins, Morrison, Taylor, Cort, Hollands, Stephens, Hayes and BWP initially if I remember rightly. Yann arrived a bit later in the season.

I think Powell did a fantastic job and a player like Cort summed it up. Not first choice but when called upon the team wasn't noticeably weakened very much. However, I do not think the job is as hard as it was for Powell. I think we are dismissing the need for a squad and some of the players people would want to see go would be ok as squad players. I think Clare and Thomas are versatile and whilst I wouldn't wan't either as our main starting eleven player, they can IMO do a job.

sillav nitram

Most are saying keep CBT but isn't he injury prone and blows hot and cold?

Oh Eddie Youds...

We’ve already extended the contracts of CBT & AMB so no point debating them….they will be here next season.

Same with Ness I think.

boggzy

sillav nitram said:

Most are saying keep CBT but isn't he injury prone and blows hot and cold?

If most want to keep a player like that, then most are presumably happy for Charlton to continue to languish in the third division, being nowhere near the playoffs, and trying to scrape enough points to avoid relegation. 

Which will of course repeat ad infinitum unless we ever get proper ownership.

NabySarr

sillav nitram said:

Most are saying keep CBT but isn't he injury prone and blows hot and cold?

CBT has improved (look at his output this season compared to last). We need goals from those wide players and we are losing JRS so would be stupid to lose CBT as well. Ideally we will sign a couple of better wingers so that he’s more of an impact player from the bench and that might then help with the injuries

NabySarr

Chunes said:

I think asking if we should re-sign X is often too convenient of a question because the answer is yeah sure, why not, he's already here and he's alright, etc.. 

Really the question should be: if this player didn't play for Charlton and was a free agent, would we be happy signing him?

Take Albie Morgan for example. Let's pretend he doesn't play for Charlton and is a free agent.

Now Albie is announced as our first signing of the summer.

What's the reaction? Let's be honest, that is an awful signing. So why renew him.

Should we sign Innis, with his track record... Whatever for?

The list goes on. 

Morgan has 3 goals and 7 assists in league 1 this season so far and is only 23. I’m not saying we should keep him but in that scenario i think most people would be very happy with the signing 

se9addick

boggzy said:

sillav nitram said:

Most are saying keep CBT but isn't he injury prone and blows hot and cold?

If most want to keep a player like that, then most are presumably happy for Charlton to continue to languish in the third division, being nowhere near the playoffs, and trying to scrape enough points to avoid relegation. 

Which will of course repeat ad infinitum unless we ever get proper ownership.

CBT is perfectly fine as a squad player in a promotion chasing team. We need circa 25 players, not 11.

cafc_se7

19addickted96 said:

Get rid of
innis , Clare, Morgan, Penney, Bonne, harness 

try and flog 
Kirk, lavelle, DJ, McGrandles , aneke (mutual agreement to terminate?) 

keep
hector, leaburn, Dobson, AMB, egbo , Fraser, sess (if possible), ness & Mitchell , CBT

Keep, if last option 
thomas, Campbell (otherwise loan out), 


grim reading really 

I think this is absolutely spot on! 

ShootersHillGuru

My question is, do we currently have any players that you think are the basis of building a squad around ? My personal view is that even with decent investment and good management we’re only at the beginning of a three year rebuilding programme where we need to add a couple of top quality players every season and retain those we can. At this low point in our squad I’d say that we have only Leaburn and Ness under contract that are anchor players. Re signing Hector would be a good start and our ability or not to do that is going to be a good indicator of just where we’re heading. 

thenewbie

ShootersHillGuru said:

My question is, do we currently have any players that you think are the basis of building a squad around ? My personal view is that even with decent investment and good management we’re only at the beginning of a three year rebuilding programme where we need to add a couple of top quality players every season and retain those we can. At this low point in our squad I’d say that we have only Leaburn and Ness under contract that are anchor players. Re signing Hector would be a good start and our ability or not to do that is going to be a good indicator of just where we’re heading. 

If you could keep AMB, Ness and Hector, Dobson and Leaburn then I'd call that a decent "spine" of a team but it's everything else (including cover for the named) that's the issue... 

ForeverAddickted

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

We’ve already extended the contracts of CBT & AMB so no point debating them….they will be here next season.

Same with Ness I think.

Ness signed a new Contract in the summer, we've technically got him for two more years

Scoham

sillav nitram said:

Most are saying keep CBT but isn't he injury prone and blows hot and cold?

CBT has 8 goals and 5 assists in the league, realistically we won’t sign 3 or 4 wingers all with a better end product. He’s no worse and I’d argue better than Green and Wagstaff in Powell’s title winning squad.

We need to be signing first choice players, someone like CBT is ideal as a squad player who can challenge those signings for a regular spot. He’s improved his end product and his pace always causes problems for defenders.

Injury prone? April is the first month this season he’s not featured in and all of those he’s made multiple appearances. If we had a stronger squad he also wouldn’t get as many minutes and we’d be able to rest him more often.

MarcusH26

I'd be absolutely fine with CBT as one of the four wingers, is he at times one of the most frustrating players in a Charlton shirt, yes. But he creates chaos for defences with his pace so even if he's an impact sub he's worth having around. 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Until we get a half decent owner nothing will change. We are L1 at best and will have a mediocre squad next season.