Qatar World Cup - Non Football Related Thread

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Personally I’ve no real truck with any of it other than the clear standards inefficiencies that have led to so many needless deaths in stadium construction. That to me is the only thing people should be kicking off with Qatar.

All ire for everything else should be directed at FIFA for selecting them. The heat, homosexuality, alcohol and human rights issues were always going to be contentious and should have ruled them out from the get go. 

Qatar are perfectly right to expect visitors to their country to abide with the rules of their land. We would expect the same here. Whether we agree with their rules or not is a separate argument but irrelevant in this case. If you are are against them, don’t go. 

I would be interested to see the actual figure of people that died in the stadium build.

Shame the Qatar government will never release those numbers truthfully. 

They probably don't know the number and don't care. 

So you are just going to believe what’s in the British press? And publish article that they know will sell, and that people are against the World Cup being in Qatar.

Unfortunately people have lost there lives and it’s very sad. But people die in building sites, roads and construction all around the world. For whatever reason, people seem to think it’s 1000s that have lost their lives building stadiums, I would be extremely surprised.

Most of the deaths were due to infrastructure built for the world cup than the actual stadiums which is a far larger project. I've worked in construction in the UK for 15 years and have only experienced one death during that time on one of my jobs, which was due to a non-work related suicide. I've worked with people who have worked in construction in the Middle East and their experience is vastly different. 

This I agree with - and the article in The Guardian is a bit mis-leading, if I remember rightly it was across the Middle East on a number of projects over a 15 year period. Not just the World Cup. 

As you can sense, I am getting a bit frustrated by only half the story being told or people actually knowing the full story.

The press will only tell you what you want to hear, and what ever sells the stories or to create an agenda.

wrong again.

"More than 6,500 migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have died in Qatar since it won the right to host the World Cup 10 years ago, the Guardian can reveal.

The total death toll is significantly higher, as these figures do not include deaths from a number of countries which send large numbers of workers to Qatar, including the Philippines and Kenya. Deaths that occurred in the final months of 2020 are also not included."

And all killed directly as a result of construction? Please this article as it is a while since I would have read it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022

I like how you've slipped that word directly in there to give yourself a bit of wiggle room. 

If 6,500+ working age migrant workers all drop dead in a 10-year span, that is an outrage regardless of how or why it's happened. 

Would you consider suicide or a heart attack at home directly as a result from their occupation? Because Qatar wouldn't. 

No it would depend? The way the Covid deaths were being registered! So depends on what side of the fence you sit.

not sure we will ever know the full picture..  650 a year out of 10,000s deaths that could consist of anything from heart attack, suicide, underlining medical conditions, hit by bus, murder on the camp sits or at work, what ever you want to call it.. 

Would be interested to know how many people in U.K. have died from work relented illness, suicide or on site over same period, would be interested to know.

how many road workers are killed a year? How many rail workers?

Head in the sand time me thinks. 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/11/15/world-cup-2022-the-difficulty-with-estimating-the-number-of-deaths-on-qatar-construction-sites_6004375_8.html

"According to the data, 12,412 immigrant men died in Qatar between 2011 and 2020, nearly half of whom (5,935) were between 20 and 50 years old, which is relatively young."

"In a study published in July 2019 in the medical journal Cardiology, an international team of researchers noted a strong correlation between temperatures and cardiovascular events recorded among Nepalese migrant workers in Qatar. "The pronounced mortality from cardiovascular events during hot seasons is most likely due to intense heat stress," said the researchers, who estimated that about 35% of fatal cardiac arrests could have been prevented by better protecting workers from heat."