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Chuks Aneke - speculation re 2023/24 season (p60)

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  • LonelyNorthernAddick
    LonelyNorthernAddick Posts: 2,423
    fenlandaddick said:
    Not sure what more can be expected. Just on the pitch, scores a goal to settle the 2-1 nerves and give that extra goal cushion of 3-1. Happy for him.
    Also helped to create our 4th with the flick on to CBT! Really makes you think what our points tally could've been if we'd had him available for even half the games over the last couple months
  • kafka
    kafka Posts: 2,371
    is it just me that refuses to now call him Chooks?
  • PeterGage
    PeterGage Posts: 1,799
    edited October 2022
    Ten players with the worst injury record. How does Chuks compare?

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/676456207203446?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,780
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
    He has been banned since the 24th September.....


  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,899
    edited October 2022
    PeterGage said:
    Ten players with the worst injury record. How does Chuks compare?

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/676456207203446?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
    Wot no Kieron Dyer?
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,728
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
    He has been banned since the 24th September.....


    That might be why haha
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,040
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
    He has been banned since the 24th September.....


    I thought there had been less arguments lately, that explains a lot. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,780
    Yes indeed, the conversation in this thread has noticeable improved since then. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    I know he’s recovering, but he looked absolutely done in after that cameo and a bit of running tonight.  I can’t see him starting a game at this rate. I know he’s better coming off the bench etc, but surely the idea is to get him into a position where he could start the odd one or two.  

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,618
    cabbles said:
    I know he’s recovering, but he looked absolutely done in after that cameo and a bit of running tonight.  I can’t see him starting a game at this rate. I know he’s better coming off the bench etc, but surely the idea is to get him into a position where he could start the odd one or two.  
    start a game?  never going to happen.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    Addick1956 seems to have disappeared. Quelle surpise. 
    He has been banned since the 24th September.....


    I thought there had been less arguments lately, that explains a lot. 
    Coupled with you posting less.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    cabbles said:
    I know he’s recovering, but he looked absolutely done in after that cameo and a bit of running tonight.  I can’t see him starting a game at this rate. I know he’s better coming off the bench etc, but surely the idea is to get him into a position where he could start the odd one or two.  
    He's never going to start games but i'd have hoped after 3 sub appearances he'd be in a position now where he could at least play 30-35, especially with Stockley looking so ineffective.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,258
    LargeAddick said:
    cabbles said:
    I know he’s recovering, but he looked absolutely done in after that cameo and a bit of running tonight.  I can’t see him starting a game at this rate. I know he’s better coming off the bench etc, but surely the idea is to get him into a position where he could start the odd one or two.  
    start a game?  never going to happen.
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    cabbles said:
    I know he’s recovering, but he looked absolutely done in after that cameo and a bit of running tonight.  I can’t see him starting a game at this rate. I know he’s better coming off the bench etc, but surely the idea is to get him into a position where he could start the odd one or two.  
    He's never going to start games but i'd have hoped after 3 sub appearances he'd be in a position now where he could at least play 30-35, especially with Stockley looking so ineffective.
    Fair points.  I appreciate the nature of his physique and injury record means coming off the bench is probably the only route, but I would’ve thought it was also a case of working him back to a level where he could start.  

    The worrying thing for me is that after that cameo against Exeter when the reaction was a bit ott imo, based on that short stint of running around last night, he looked done in.  I’m not sure how that’s going to equate to a cheat code over the course of the season.  The way he had his hands on hips it looked like he’d injured himself again.  

    Hopefully with more 15-20 subs appearances and regular training, he may look fitter.  He’s never going to be match fit, so I don’t know what the equivalent looks like for someone coming off the bench for 20 mins 

    Is it worth pursuing what Spurs did with Ledley King and just have him not train 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,384
    edited October 2022
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    Chunes said:
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
    I genuinely don't know how a guy who is nearly 30 and has been playing professional football for 10+ years can have poor natural fitness. 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    edited October 2022
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Chunes said:
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
    I genuinely don't know how a guy who is nearly 30 and has been playing professional football for 10+ years can have poor natural fitness. 
    The injuries don't allow him to get fit (if that makes sense?) Every time he approaches some sort of maximum, he breaks down....so that means he doesn't try to get to maximum, which means he can't get lung-busting fit. So, he can only play cameos, which are never going to get him fit either. Also, when he does get injured, it tends to be an injury that keeps him out for long periods and any stamina he has built up (which will be negligible) goes immediately. It's a continuous downward spiral. 

    The one thing that he doesn't seem to lose, is his ability. For someone who plays so little, he nearly always looks like he can still play to a very decent level, compared with most of the dross he is surrounded with.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,384
    edited October 2022
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Chunes said:
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
    I genuinely don't know how a guy who is nearly 30 and has been playing professional football for 10+ years can have poor natural fitness. 
    What do you understand natural fitness to be? Don't think it's something acquired over the years.

    Some people are born with more efficient cardiovascular systems than others. It's why Josh Cullen can come back from a three month injury and be ready to play ninety minutes just a few days later and some other people take weeks to get back to full fitness. From what LB said, Chuks is towards the bottom of that pile and every time he spends time out, he needs to build his fitness back up again from zero. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,488
    Can’t we just diagnose him with asthma and get some helpful TUEs for his fitness? 

    It’s what all the big boys do.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    Chunes said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Chunes said:
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
    I genuinely don't know how a guy who is nearly 30 and has been playing professional football for 10+ years can have poor natural fitness. 
    What do you understand natural fitness to be? Don't think it's something acquired over the years.

    Some people are born with more efficient cardiovascular systems than others. It's why Josh Cullen can come back from a three month injury and be ready to play ninety minutes just a few days later and some other people take weeks to get back to full fitness. From what LB said, Chuks is towards the bottom of that pile and every time he spends time out, he needs to build his fitness back up again from zero. 
    Not blowing out of your arse after 15 minutes basically jogging about.

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,384
    edited October 2022
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Chunes said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Chunes said:
    I remember Bowyer saying he has poor natural fitness and it takes time for him to build up his stamina. Don't think he'd done much training before he was back in the squad so he's probably nowhere near match fit yet.
    I genuinely don't know how a guy who is nearly 30 and has been playing professional football for 10+ years can have poor natural fitness. 
    What do you understand natural fitness to be? Don't think it's something acquired over the years.

    Some people are born with more efficient cardiovascular systems than others. It's why Josh Cullen can come back from a three month injury and be ready to play ninety minutes just a few days later and some other people take weeks to get back to full fitness. From what LB said, Chuks is towards the bottom of that pile and every time he spends time out, he needs to build his fitness back up again from zero. 
    Not blowing out of your arse after 15 minutes basically jogging about.
    Thanks for that. 

    Obviously you are just blowing off steam at Aneke and so I'll happily leave it here.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,329
    Some more minutes in the cup games to get him ready for a start at Burton? Or just keep him to the super sub appearances as anything more is too risky? Tough dilemma as he is a level above Stockley and today looked back to his best, Ipswich CB couldn’t handle him 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,780
    NabySarr said:
    Some more minutes in the cup games to get him ready for a start at Burton? Or just keep him to the super sub appearances as anything more is too risky? Tough dilemma as he is a level above Stockley and today looked back to his best, Ipswich CB couldn’t handle him 
    I think super sub, with the odd start, but coming off 60/70 minutes in is probably where we are with Chuks.

    He has not had a season where he has been able to constantly start or do lots of minutes since 18/19. Losing him to another injury is just to much of a risk. 

    That being said Inniss so far (touch wood) is defying expectations so maybe Chuks may get into a similar position. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,359
    I noticed that when we didn't have the ball today he basically walked about expending no energy at all, conserving himself to a degree most footballers just wouldn't get away with. Whenever we got the ball though, he transformed into one of those super-soldiers from Age of Empires. A Janissary or whatever 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,474
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,329
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
    It’s amazing how he can control the ball with a centre back on his back like it’s nothing. Compared to Stockley who can’t control a long ball even if there is no defender on him. Makes so much difference 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,474
    NabySarr said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
    It’s amazing how he can control the ball with a centre back on his back like it’s nothing. Compared to Stockley who can’t control a long ball even if there is no defender on him. Makes so much difference 
    Such a pity he can't last more than 20 minutes...
  • mattinfinland
    mattinfinland Posts: 1,096
    Could you imagine if Chucks could last whole 90 mins☠️What an absolute machine he would be and definitely not playing league one football .
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,421
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    NabySarr said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Opposition players just bounce off him - he is incredibly strong on the ball. Very poor level of fitness.
    It’s amazing how he can control the ball with a centre back on his back like it’s nothing. Compared to Stockley who can’t control a long ball even if there is no defender on him. Makes so much difference 
    Such a pity he can't last more than 20 minutes...
    My Mrs is usually relatively pleased when I last that long. 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,760
    edited October 2022
    If you could guarantee me that he could play half an hour every game from here to the end of the season l, I’d snap your hand off. Comfortably the best substitute in league 1.
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