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I agree - at least while the old vote in much greater numbers than the young.blackpool72 said:
In that case any party who campaign's to remove the triple lock will lose the pensioners vote.si I reckon it will remain.Jints said:
67% of 70 year+ at the last election according to yougov but it was Labour who introduced the triple lock I think and they have never campaigned to end it.blackpool72 said:
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Is this a guess or a fact.
Good luck for the pensioners.0 -
Yes:Jints said:
67% of 70 year+ at the last election according to yougov but it was Labour who introduced the triple lock I think and they have never campaigned to end it.blackpool72 said:
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Is this a guess or a fact.
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The saying people get more sensible as they get older is clearly defined here 😜bobmunro said:
Yes:Jints said:
67% of 70 year+ at the last election according to yougov but it was Labour who introduced the triple lock I think and they have never campaigned to end it.blackpool72 said:
70% of pensioners vote Tory.Rizzo said:
No great surprise that pensioners are immune to the crackdown on inflationary 'pay' increases, given that ~70% of them vote tory. What's that word I'm looking for? Starts with a 'b', rhymes with tribe...ShootersHillGuru said:Truss will hold a “fiscal event” which circumnavigates the need for the announcement to be officially costed and scrutinised. She’ll offer something to mitigate the cost of energy but is vehemently opposed to “handouts” as she condescendingly calls them. There is also the no small matter of the promised pension triple lock. Increase likely to look like 12% (?) by November when it’s calculated. I think she’ll bring forward the pension increase to October but based on the then inflation rate. Can she risk the triple lock inflation rate not being 16 / 17% by November. There is so little scope for manoeuvre and we’re going to see a lot of smoke and mirrors.
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Green party Rizzo.Rizzo said:
It's not 'main political (I assume) parties' though, is it? It's just the fucking tories. Labour and the Lib Dems have both put out plans to tackle the crisis.clb74 said:
The government are taking the piss.MuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.
Coming to the end of August and there are no plans as to deal with the energy crisis if there is no bail out.
Myself I will be having the heating on when I want even if I cant afford the heating.
I would then pay that off to what I could afford a month.
There are though tens if not hundreds of thousands of people out there that if they cant afford it wont put the heating on.
Plans should be put in place for people to go for some warmth when they need it.
Complete joke and why I will never vote for a main political again in my life.
Labour and lib dems can put out what ever plans they want, but there not the ones making the decisions.
I'd happily have a pound bet that the main parties in the past have put forward proposals for them not to materialise.0 -
They certainly become more reactionary.0
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It’s easy politicking though for opposition parties. Tories are on the ropes over this crisis and it’s a no win situation for them really. Inflation running in the teens this and the majority at best of next year. Labour or Lib Dems saying they would do x or y is a free hit and what they have said is exactly what people worried about their bills want to hear. A free hit with no consequences.clb74 said:
Green party Rizzo.Rizzo said:
It's not 'main political (I assume) parties' though, is it? It's just the fucking tories. Labour and the Lib Dems have both put out plans to tackle the crisis.clb74 said:
The government are taking the piss.MuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.
Coming to the end of August and there are no plans as to deal with the energy crisis if there is no bail out.
Myself I will be having the heating on when I want even if I cant afford the heating.
I would then pay that off to what I could afford a month.
There are though tens if not hundreds of thousands of people out there that if they cant afford it wont put the heating on.
Plans should be put in place for people to go for some warmth when they need it.
Complete joke and why I will never vote for a main political again in my life.
Labour and lib dems can put out what ever plans they want, but there not the ones making the decisions.
I'd happily have a pound bet that the main parties in the past have put forward proposals for them not to materialise.1 -
Maybe all MPs of all parties should revert to WFH as they did in Covid times give up their second homes which we pay for including energy bills and lead by example
Of course it’s peanuts in the grand scheme but it doesn’t sit right that they are insulated from these cost rises in part at the taxpayer expense when we have proven alternative ways of working.0 -
We need MP’s in the HoC not at home.valleynick66 said:Maybe all MPs of all parties should revert to WFH as they did in Covid times give up their second homes which we pay for including energy bills and lead by example
Of course it’s peanuts in the grand scheme but it doesn’t sit right that they are insulated from these cost rises in part at the taxpayer expense when we have proven alternative ways of working.0 -
Why? Seriously they can debate and consult remotely. The childishness which is PMQs is an example of how poor they all are.ShootersHillGuru said:
We need MP’s in the HoC not at home.valleynick66 said:Maybe all MPs of all parties should revert to WFH as they did in Covid times give up their second homes which we pay for including energy bills and lead by example
Of course it’s peanuts in the grand scheme but it doesn’t sit right that they are insulated from these cost rises in part at the taxpayer expense when we have proven alternative ways of working.As I said it’s peanuts but it does grate that those expenses will be met by the taxpayer.3 -
Then address the expenses not the ability of our representatives to do their jobs effectively.valleynick66 said:
Why? Seriously they can debate and consult remotely. The childishness which is PMQs is an example of how poor they all are.ShootersHillGuru said:
We need MP’s in the HoC not at home.valleynick66 said:Maybe all MPs of all parties should revert to WFH as they did in Covid times give up their second homes which we pay for including energy bills and lead by example
Of course it’s peanuts in the grand scheme but it doesn’t sit right that they are insulated from these cost rises in part at the taxpayer expense when we have proven alternative ways of working.As I said it’s peanuts but it does grate that those expenses will be met by the taxpayer.1 - Sponsored links:
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Eh. Why wouldn’t we do both?My point remains that all parties could demonstrate a small level of empathy by restricting expenses but they won’t.As others have suggested sadly none of our parties seem capable of working collaboratively to devise a solution to this and garner cross party support just point score with each other instead.0
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If the expenses are legitimate under the system then I personally have no issue. I’d rather pay those legitimate expenses and have them working effectively. We don’t want those lazy MP’s and there are some, sitting at home or carrying out tasks associated with their second jobs which many have. We need an effective functioning place of government.valleynick66 said:Eh. Why wouldn’t we do both?My point remains that all parties could demonstrate a small level of empathy by restricting expenses but they won’t.As others have suggested sadly none of our parties seem capable of working collaboratively to devise a solution to this and garner cross party support just point score with each other instead.0 -
What on earth has given you any indication that they are "working effectively"?ShootersHillGuru said:
If the expenses are legitimate under the system then I personally have no issue. I’d rather pay those legitimate expenses and have them working effectively. We don’t want those lazy MP’s and there are some, sitting at home or carrying out tasks associated with their second jobs which many have. We need an effective functioning place of government.valleynick66 said:Eh. Why wouldn’t we do both?My point remains that all parties could demonstrate a small level of empathy by restricting expenses but they won’t.As others have suggested sadly none of our parties seem capable of working collaboratively to devise a solution to this and garner cross party support just point score with each other instead.1 -
Easiest job in the world - be the opposition party.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s easy politicking though for opposition parties. Tories are on the ropes over this crisis and it’s a no win situation for them really. Inflation running in the teens this and the majority at best of next year. Labour or Lib Dems saying they would do x or y is a free hit and what they have said is exactly what people worried about their bills want to hear. A free hit with no consequences.clb74 said:
Green party Rizzo.Rizzo said:
It's not 'main political (I assume) parties' though, is it? It's just the fucking tories. Labour and the Lib Dems have both put out plans to tackle the crisis.clb74 said:
The government are taking the piss.MuttleyCAFC said:I still think the price cap will be frozen at the current level. It is just suicide for the Government to not do anything when both opposition parties have set out plans how they would do it and indeed how it could be done.
Coming to the end of August and there are no plans as to deal with the energy crisis if there is no bail out.
Myself I will be having the heating on when I want even if I cant afford the heating.
I would then pay that off to what I could afford a month.
There are though tens if not hundreds of thousands of people out there that if they cant afford it wont put the heating on.
Plans should be put in place for people to go for some warmth when they need it.
Complete joke and why I will never vote for a main political again in my life.
Labour and lib dems can put out what ever plans they want, but there not the ones making the decisions.
I'd happily have a pound bet that the main parties in the past have put forward proposals for them not to materialise.0 -
Not really as if this Government gets it wrong the opposition parties get just as much stick from some.0
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MP’s mostly do a good hardworking job and don’t abuse their positions. There are always exceptions. The government is quite a different thing. That’s in my view due to the conservatives being hijacked at cabinet level by English nationalists and also due to a very low level of ability by those in office.Rizzo said:
What on earth has given you any indication that they are "working effectively"?ShootersHillGuru said:
If the expenses are legitimate under the system then I personally have no issue. I’d rather pay those legitimate expenses and have them working effectively. We don’t want those lazy MP’s and there are some, sitting at home or carrying out tasks associated with their second jobs which many have. We need an effective functioning place of government.valleynick66 said:Eh. Why wouldn’t we do both?My point remains that all parties could demonstrate a small level of empathy by restricting expenses but they won’t.As others have suggested sadly none of our parties seem capable of working collaboratively to devise a solution to this and garner cross party support just point score with each other instead.3 -
Price cap announced tomorrow, should be an interesting day!0
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Think they need to stop calling it a “cap”!Mendonca In Asdas said:Price cap announced tomorrow, should be an interesting day!5 -
Replace the word cap withMendonca In Asdas said:Price cap announced tomorrow, should be an interesting day!
A fucking big increase.
Time for the government to stop playing silly bollox and step in.1 -
They will but won’t do it yet for reasons that are entirely for the benefit of the Tory party and new Prime Minister rather than for the benefit of the country in general. Despite what’s being said that we have a functioning government. We clearly don’t because the strategy yet to be announced is totally dependent on which of the two candidates is victorious. An absolute scandal.blackpool72 said:
Replace the word cap withMendonca In Asdas said:Price cap announced tomorrow, should be an interesting day!
A fucking big increase.
Time for the government to stop playing silly bollox and step in.2 - Sponsored links:
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No words needed. Scum13 -
Not read the whole thread so not sure if it's been mentioned already, but our energy firm (SES) have a function on their site where it shows how much you're paying a month and what the balance is likely to be at the end of the year, if you continue paying that amount per month. You can adjust the monthly payments up and down and the end balance changes with it. I've just had two confirmation emails today, confirm they've knocked the monthly payments down, saving about £40 a month (electric and gas).
It all helps at the moment1 -
What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper.
God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say1 -
100 % this . You know there is no help coming over the hill. I tried to fix my prices and got offered £500 a month , current bill £150, and the only guarentee is that the government doesn’t give a monkeys about us. I am a lifetime Tory supporter . No moreAndyG said:What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper.
God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say1 -
Out of interest you say “I’m a Tory”, do you mean that you vote/have always voted Tory or that being a Tory is part of your identity in the same way that you’re Charlton (or something like that)?AndyG said:What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper.
God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say
I’ve voted for Labour most times I’ve had the chance, and I likely will again in the next election, but I don’t really feel a deep affinity for any political party. If someone else better represented my views I’d give them my vote without a second though.3 -
There are plenty like us who won't vote for the Tories again. We need a General Electio to get rid of them. I dread to think what is going to happen if Liz Truss becomes PM. Tax reductions won't be sufficient, even if my whole tax and NI were to be wiped out, it wouldn't cover the increases being suggested.billysboots said:
100 % this . You know there is no help coming over the hill. I tried to fix my prices and got offered £500 a month , current bill £150, and the only guarentee is that the government doesn’t give a monkeys about us. I am a lifetime Tory supporter . No moreAndyG said:What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper.
God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say0 -
There was a point in her life when Liz Truss was more a lefty than me. She wanted rid of the Royal Family. Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist so it can happen. Whatever, I still think the Government will have to help with the bills and if they do it kicking and screaming it won't do them any favours. If they do nothing, they are finished.0
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Completely . I just cannot believe what little clue they have. They just seem unable to see or completely ignore the big picture in anything they do. Truss was the one encouraging our men to go out and fight in Ukraine , when it was against the law , and couldn’t tell the difference between the black and Baltic Sea , plus spent some 500k chartering a jumbo for her flight to OZ. Unbelievable that she is going to be PM.ME14addick said:
There are plenty like us who won't vote for the Tories again. We need a General Electio to get rid of them. I dread to think what is going to happen if Liz Truss becomes PM. Tax reductions won't be sufficient, even if my whole tax and NI were to be wiped out, it wouldn't cover the increases being suggested.billysboots said:
100 % this . You know there is no help coming over the hill. I tried to fix my prices and got offered £500 a month , current bill £150, and the only guarentee is that the government doesn’t give a monkeys about us. I am a lifetime Tory supporter . No moreAndyG said:What I find astounding is how we can be in a situation where our political leaders (of all persuasions) are of such low calibre. There is something really wrong with the political landscape in this country and something needs to be done to attract much higher calibre of politicians. How the f##k have we ended up in a situation where "thick Truss" is likely to be our Prime Minister? Devoid of any reasonable intellect and the personality of a kipper.
God knows how much damage this lot will do over the next couple of years ! And I'm a Tory I'm ashamed to say1 -
I think they are finished anyway. There is no chance they will look after the people that need help the most . The country just needs someone to lead them , if Starmer is cute about this he will walk it at a GEMuttleyCAFC said:There was a point in her life when Liz Truss was more a lefty than me. She wanted rid of the Royal Family. Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist so it can happen. Whatever, I still think the Government will have to help with the bills and if they do it kicking and screaming it won't do them any favours. If they do nothing, they are finished.1
