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No you don’t.Plaaayer said:Used to go in Gordon’s Gym in Herbert Road, Plumstead when I was about 17/18 and Francis used to train in there. He was a proper nice fella with hands about as big as my head. Wouldn’t fancy being in the way of one of those.If you’re going to act like that you deserve everything you get, telling people you hope they have a heart attack.On one side it is words, the other is violence. There is no comparison and the response needs to be appropriate. Saying something really really horrible isn’t an excuse for kicking the shit out of someone.
So I do think the force used was over the top and I think he will be done.
That said, he is employed to protect customers and staff.I have to add however, that if my son was in the area and a twat like that dancing about looking to punch someone I would be grateful if someone put his lights out before he attacked him or one of his friends.0 -
He wasn't just "saying something horrible" though was he? He was throwing punches and pushes and shoving. If that fella had been a little bigger he would have been a lot more aggressive too.Redrobo said:
No you don’t.Plaaayer said:Used to go in Gordon’s Gym in Herbert Road, Plumstead when I was about 17/18 and Francis used to train in there. He was a proper nice fella with hands about as big as my head. Wouldn’t fancy being in the way of one of those.If you’re going to act like that you deserve everything you get, telling people you hope they have a heart attack.On one side it is words, the other is violence. There is no comparison and the response needs to be appropriate. Saying something really really horrible isn’t an excuse for kicking the shit out of someone.
So I do think the force used was over the top and I think he will be done.
That said, he is employed to protect customers and staff.I have to add however, that if my son was in the area and a twat like that dancing about looking to punch someone I would be grateful if someone put his lights out before he attacked him or one of his friends.4 -
I didn't see anyone "kicking the shit out of someone".
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I was responding to the comment that saying that he hoped he had a heart attack justified an attack.cafcfan1990 said:
He wasn't just "saying something horrible" though was he? He was throwing punches and pushes and shoving. If that fella had been a little bigger he would have been a lot more aggressive too.Redrobo said:
No you don’t.Plaaayer said:Used to go in Gordon’s Gym in Herbert Road, Plumstead when I was about 17/18 and Francis used to train in there. He was a proper nice fella with hands about as big as my head. Wouldn’t fancy being in the way of one of those.If you’re going to act like that you deserve everything you get, telling people you hope they have a heart attack.On one side it is words, the other is violence. There is no comparison and the response needs to be appropriate. Saying something really really horrible isn’t an excuse for kicking the shit out of someone.
So I do think the force used was over the top and I think he will be done.
That said, he is employed to protect customers and staff.I have to add however, that if my son was in the area and a twat like that dancing about looking to punch someone I would be grateful if someone put his lights out before he attacked him or one of his friends.0 -
My first thought was that if Julius had thrown a few more punches like that in his pro career then he wouldn’t have ended up working in the East End Boxpark.6
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I'd say most of his opponents were a bit sharper than that tool... But considering how padded his record was, most of them would probably get parked up by the bloke he knocked out...Ormiston_Addick said:My first thought was that if Julius had thrown a few more punches like that in his pro career then he wouldn’t have ended up working in the East End Boxpark.0 -
Had to think a bit about this.
No doubt whatsoever, the wanker deserved exactly what he got…….however, no doubt the courts will say otherwise……despite quite possibly agreeing with my sentiments.0 -
I don’t know about that Dazzler.Dazzler21 said:Watched this a few times. Can't help but feel it's a sucker punch.
Isn’t a sucker punch where someone is whacked completely out of the blue not expecting it in the slightest.
However, in this instance he might well (or should have reasonably expected) from the actions he was taking for some kind of retaliation.
The fact that he didn’t see it coming was because it was a peach of a punch, delivered at considerable speed by an ex pro with very little back lift……for want of a better term.
So in my view, it wasn’t what could be called a sucker punch. One thing for sure though, is that he won’t be calling Francis “a fat c***” again any time soon. 🥴🥊6 -
Exactly, a sucker punch would've been if he came from the side or behind and whacked him. The guy was facing Francis and had his arm raised.SoundAsa£ said:
I don’t know about that Dazzler.Dazzler21 said:Watched this a few times. Can't help but feel it's a sucker punch.
Isn’t a sucker punch where someone is whacked completely out of the blue not expecting it in the slightest.
However, in this instance he might well (or should have reasonably expected) from the actions he was taking for some kind of retaliation.
The fact that he didn’t see it coming was because it was a peach of a punch, delivered at considerable speed by an ex pro with very little back lift……for want of a better term.
So in my view, it wasn’t what could be called a sucker punch. One thing for sure though, is that he won’t be calling Francis “a fat c***” again any time soon. 🥴🥊1 -
Let's all remember that the aggressor had plenty of time and opportunity to calm down and leave. He chose neither.8
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I have always considered that (some)bouncers consider their job a good way of having a row and getting away with charges brought upon them.1
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So, has social media ID'ed the guys who were being thrown out and one who got knocked out yet?
Usually, someone has found their Facebook page in minutes.
Expect to see them on some channel five celebrity show in a few weeks.0 -
Really? Not ugly and unwanted?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Lovely stuff.0 -
If this does go to court, not sure by which method it will be decided, but wouldn’t a major consideration be about setting a precedent?
Looking at the film the troublemaker needed calming and removing, well he was calmed for sure and maybe no other method was possible, but other incidents that are not caught on camera might prove problematic, and the ‘boxers’ in other incidents might claim all sorts when really they go OTT.0 -
Yes, really. Don't give it unless you're prepared for the consequences.AddicksAddict said:
Really? Not ugly and unwanted?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Lovely stuff.
Hopefully the recipient has learned a good life lesson there and will amend his ways and not carry on like that herein.
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If that's calm then i'd love to see someone who you consider to be aggressive.seth plum said:If this does go to court, not sure by which method it will be decided, but wouldn’t a major consideration be about setting a precedent?
Looking at the film the troublemaker needed calming and removing, well he was calmed for sure and maybe no other method was possible, but other incidents that are not caught on camera might prove problematic, and the ‘boxers’ in other incidents might claim all sorts when really they go OTT.
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I think he means once he was in the recovery position...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If that's calm then i'd love to see someone who you consider to be aggressive.seth plum said:If this does go to court, not sure by which method it will be decided, but wouldn’t a major consideration be about setting a precedent?
Looking at the film the troublemaker needed calming and removing, well he was calmed for sure and maybe no other method was possible, but other incidents that are not caught on camera might prove problematic, and the ‘boxers’ in other incidents might claim all sorts when really they go OTT.3 -
I think he means he became calm.......ie when he went night nights.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If that's calm then i'd love to see someone who you consider to be aggressive.seth plum said:If this does go to court, not sure by which method it will be decided, but wouldn’t a major consideration be about setting a precedent?
Looking at the film the troublemaker needed calming and removing, well he was calmed for sure and maybe no other method was possible, but other incidents that are not caught on camera might prove problematic, and the ‘boxers’ in other incidents might claim all sorts when really they go OTT.1 -
I didn’t mean the punch was a calming method, more that it had a ‘calming’ effect.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If that's calm then i'd love to see someone who you consider to be aggressive.seth plum said:If this does go to court, not sure by which method it will be decided, but wouldn’t a major consideration be about setting a precedent?
Looking at the film the troublemaker needed calming and removing, well he was calmed for sure and maybe no other method was possible, but other incidents that are not caught on camera might prove problematic, and the ‘boxers’ in other incidents might claim all sorts when really they go OTT.
When I learned to ride a motorbike the training guys at Tunnel Avenue had some wise words, they said it’s easy and anybody can rocket along at 70mph, the real skill would be to drive through London from Greenwich to Hampstead without ever putting your foot down on the ground.1 -
Yeah, that’ll teach him, law of the streets and all that! Really?!RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yes, really. Don't give it unless you're prepared for the consequences.AddicksAddict said:
Really? Not ugly and unwanted?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Lovely stuff.
Hopefully the recipient has learned a good life lesson there and will amend his ways and not carry on like that herein.
Would also point out that, after he put the bloke on the floor, the bouncer walked away apparently unconcerned that he had inflicted a potentially serious injury on another person.
Just because someone is being obnoxious and aggressive it doesn’t necessarily mean they should be dealt a life threatening blow.1 - Sponsored links:
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OK.charente addick said:
Yeah, that’ll teach him, law of the streets and all that! Really?!RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yes, really. Don't give it unless you're prepared for the consequences.AddicksAddict said:
Really? Not ugly and unwanted?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Lovely stuff.
Hopefully the recipient has learned a good life lesson there and will amend his ways and not carry on like that herein.
Would also point out that, after he put the bloke on the floor, the bouncer walked away apparently unconcerned that he had inflicted a potentially serious injury on another person.
Just because someone is being obnoxious and aggressive it doesn’t necessarily mean they should be dealt a life threatening blow.0 -
If this case results in a prosecution and I end up on the jury there's no way I'll find Francis guilty. The dickhead got exactly what he deserved.0
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I'll say this, a lot more people than I ever remember now behave like things such as getting a right hander will never happen to them. Happens all the time, I know social media can be a bit of a cesspool however society has gone like this too.
I hope the bloke doesn't have brain damage however if that's the first time he has been starched I'll be surprised and it should have taught him a life lesson if it was.
We were talking not long ago about how much bullshit frontline workers are expected to swallow and I'm not just talking about police, supermarket workers are regularly given abuse from chinless wankers who feel invincible.10 -
Never understood why there are so many aggro nobheads in this country.3
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Yes, sorry for the slight confusion. Although you did go on to say the force used was over the top and referenced kicking the shit out of someone. For most people, the force was barely anything, just the one punch. This is slightly complicated because it was by an ex boxer who can obviously do a lot more damage than the average man.Redrobo said:
I was responding to the comment that saying that he hoped he had a heart attack justified an attack.cafcfan1990 said:
He wasn't just "saying something horrible" though was he? He was throwing punches and pushes and shoving. If that fella had been a little bigger he would have been a lot more aggressive too.Redrobo said:
No you don’t.Plaaayer said:Used to go in Gordon’s Gym in Herbert Road, Plumstead when I was about 17/18 and Francis used to train in there. He was a proper nice fella with hands about as big as my head. Wouldn’t fancy being in the way of one of those.If you’re going to act like that you deserve everything you get, telling people you hope they have a heart attack.On one side it is words, the other is violence. There is no comparison and the response needs to be appropriate. Saying something really really horrible isn’t an excuse for kicking the shit out of someone.
So I do think the force used was over the top and I think he will be done.
That said, he is employed to protect customers and staff.I have to add however, that if my son was in the area and a twat like that dancing about looking to punch someone I would be grateful if someone put his lights out before he attacked him or one of his friends.
It's a tough argument legally. Francis was acting as a bouncer and did walk away from the premises so I'd certainly argue he was no longer doing the job he was being paid to do, i.e. act as security for the premises. Provocation is only a partial defence for common assault, especially when they're not physically attacked themselves. So I'd guess it will come down to what people believe the 'victim' was about to do to Francis. Personally I don't think he put his hands up to attack him, it looked like he was about to point his finger at him and carrying on a verbal assault. Of course that doesn't mean a physical attack wasn't forthcoming.
Morally, he certainly got what he deserved.1 -
I think it's a consequence of social media and giving ppl the ability to spout off to all and sundry without consequence.Carter said:I'll say this, a lot more people than I ever remember now behave like things such as getting a right hander will never happen to them. Happens all the time, I know social media can be a bit of a cesspool however society has gone like this too.
I hope the bloke doesn't have brain damage however if that's the first time he has been starched I'll be surprised and it should have taught him a life lesson if it was.
We were talking not long ago about how much bullshit frontline workers are expected to swallow and I'm not just talking about police, supermarket workers are regularly given abuse from chinless wankers who feel invincible.
If they replicate this in the real world to the wrong real person (as in this case) - they may just get a physical consequence that they weren't expecting.
I hope the bloke is OK and learns from it.......but I have absolutely no problem with him taking a dig fro the security in this instance.
I would also say that if the bloke had spouted off to a group of the wrong real life people (not security trained) - then the consequences could have been much worse as I doubt that the same one punch restraint would have been shown.2 -
not sure if posted elsewhere here - but just read that Police have reviewed and no further action to be taken against JF.
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Guarantee you that the nob that got sparked out has a record of violence. Probably against smaller people, women or when he was in a group.
too many dickheads like that about4 -
Go f**k yourself.Chunes said:Never understood why there are so many aggro nobheads in this country.16 -
I seriously cannot believe some people are defending the aggressor here.
(1) The guy threatened numerous members of staff, thought that Francis was nothing but a "fat cxxx" and wished him a heart attack on a number of occasions - let's not pretend that the latter's wish isn't connected to the former's physical condition
(2) He almost pushes the smaller security guy right over. Has anyone of those defending the aggressor thought what might have happened had he fallen over and hit his head on the ground? It does happen
(2) He throws several punches at members of staff including Francis
(3) How does Francis know that the aggressor isn't a boxer himself who fancied his chances against an old man - and that is what a 57 year old is to someone who is in their 20s. He might even have known who Francis was and be idiotic enough to act the "big" man and take him on
(4) On leaving the bar, he makes not one but four steps towards Francis who backs off - why did he just not walk away by turning left or right? Simple - because he was itching for a confrontation be it physical or otherwise. Does Francis have to take one on the chin to find out?
(5) He raised his hand to Francis and Francis reacted accordingly with one punch and walks away
These blokes are bullies who were happy to try and intimidate the smaller member of the security staff. And like a lot of bullies they cry foul when something happens to them or one of theirs. Pathetic runts the lot of them. And as one or two have said on here these are the very types who do exactly the same to members of staff of shops, in other bars, people on the street etc etc.
Hopefully the aggressor and his mates will now have seen the footage and work out why "he needed to do that". To teach them a lesson in life. Intimidation can work both ways. And you have to earn respect not demand it.
The most telling aspect of all of this is the Police statement:
“Officers have spoken to all parties involved and have reviewed relevant CCTV. No further action will be taken in relation to the incident involving the security guard and male customer.”
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