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He attacked his colleague and raised his hands to Francis...he had every right to clout him as he was clearly out of control and the guy would have certainly carried it on elsewhere.Redrobo said:He is meant to be a trained professional sportsman.Way too much force used and he could have killed him and may well of caused serious brain damage. The guy didn’t have too much to lose as it is!He was not in any danger and the situation was being very well controlled by the guy in the white T shirt.
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Have watched it a few times now and 39 seconds in we see soppy bollocks faint a punch towards Francis. That set the tone for what happened next. After fainting at Francis he's put himself in the position that any raising of his hands thereafter is likely to result in Francis taking that as a further act of aggression towards him, so gets in first.20
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Apparently the security manager has posted this:
"Woke up to a viral story about one of our security team. Julius Francis, is ex UK heavyweight boxing champion, he is one of the nicest people I have ever met and helps train young underprivileged kids boxing in his spare time. My understanding is that Julius and our security team spent 15 minutes stopping this man and his friends from abusing, spitting and hitting our customers and staff. They carefully escorted him from the premises under constant provocation and violence. Finally the person approached Julius in a confrontational manner and he defended himself. Acts of violence or abuse to any staff members should never be tolerated. How would you react if someone approached you violently? What would you do next if you were in my shoes ?"
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I would've slipped that and jabbed him away30
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As a woke lefty I think this was an absolute shocker.
Should have nailed him with a jab.0 -
Helps train them when he's working toocafc999 said:Apparently the security manager has posted this:
"Woke up to a viral story about one of our security team. Julius Francis, is ex UK heavyweight boxing champion, he is one of the nicest people I have ever met and helps train young underprivileged kids boxing in his spare time. My understanding is that Julius and our security team spent 15 minutes stopping this man and his friends from abusing, spitting and hitting our customers and staff. They carefully escorted him from the premises under constant provocation and violence. Finally the person approached Julius in a confrontational manner and he defended himself. Acts of violence or abuse to any staff members should never be tolerated. How would you react if someone approached you violently? What would you do next if you were in my shoes ?"
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If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him.
Bouncer will lose his job easy.3 -
Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt.SELR_addicks said:If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him.
Bouncer will lose his job easy.0 -
None of us were there to see what actually went on, so not an easy lawsuit as you suggest.SELR_addicks said:If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him.
Bouncer will lose his job easy.
Not ideal from Francis but the guy that got sparked and his mates were hardly acting great.
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I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..cfgs said:
Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon. Lawyers would love to argue it over.redbuttle said:
Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law...Addick Addict said:/cfgs said:
The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.That video will probably get him the sack.0 - Sponsored links:
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It reads like a report from a manager in a company about to get sued, covering their arse.ForeverAddickted said:
Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt.SELR_addicks said:If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him.
Bouncer will lose his job easy.
Didn't realise walking out of the outdoor area and away from the site with hands down is 'violent' but that's just me.0 -
Absolutely correct.I have just attended a conflict management course and that is what we were told.redbuttle said:
I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..cfgs said:
Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon. Lawyers would love to argue it over.redbuttle said:
Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law...Addick Addict said:/cfgs said:
The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.That video will probably get him the sack.
The question is whether he has used reasonable force in defending himself. That is the thing lawyers could argue over.0 -
Hands clearly not down just before incident. Given the fact he had already raised his hands to multiple people,fully justified in giving the trappy bloke a slap.
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Redrobo said:He is meant to be a trained professional sportsman.Way too much force used and he could have killed him and may well of caused serious brain damage. The guy didn’t have too much to lose as it is!He was not in any danger and the situation was being very well controlled by the guy in the white T shirt.
I think prison awaits.
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If you are stupid enough to pick a fight with a group of bouncers one of them being an ex heavyweight boxer don't go crying about it if you end up flat on your back.34
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The bloke that got laid out is clearly a total weapon and my sympathy for him is negligible but if he's sustained lasting injury, even just concussion, Francis is gonna be in trouble. Laying people out ain't cool. In the days of shitty trouble makers videoing everything like this then a "licensed doorman" has to rely on his training when these aggressive fuckwits come at them. Self-defence ain't gonna wash in this one, the weapon is barely half Francis's size, he could have held him at arm's length forever without any risk of actually getting hit.redbuttle said:
Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law...Addick Addict said:/cfgs said:
The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.That video will probably get him the sack.0 -
Do we really need to get all Victor Sifuentes over this?
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I feel some of you are painting the aggressor as a nice and gentle chap. Worth remembering that we've seen a 50 second clip of the boxparkbeef, not the 15 minutes of joy the probably preceded this.4
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What else is the business gonna say?cafc999 said:Apparently the security manager has posted this:
"Woke up to a viral story about one of our security team. Julius Francis, is ex UK heavyweight boxing champion, he is one of the nicest people I have ever met and helps train young underprivileged kids boxing in his spare time. My understanding is that Julius and our security team spent 15 minutes stopping this man and his friends from abusing, spitting and hitting our customers and staff. They carefully escorted him from the premises under constant provocation and violence. Finally the person approached Julius in a confrontational manner and he defended himself. Acts of violence or abuse to any staff members should never be tolerated. How would you react if someone approached you violently? What would you do next if you were in my shoes ?"
The knocked out bloke and his shit digging ilk are gonna be all over this for compensation. Sadly any sort of 'natural justice' will be defeated0 -
100% self defence, was being aggressive to multiple people, had already pushed a smaller security worker who didn't do anything (from the video), was raising his fists and was walking straight at Francis rather than peacefully leave. Francis had a split second to make a call and letting durag make the first move would've been a bad move. Just being Francis' size will be a deterrent to the general public!7
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I have got liitle time for bully boy bouncers, but the guy clearly raises his hand at Francis
One punch to protect yourself is acceptable - not like he rained fury on the fella.2 -
One punch from a 57 year old, who hasn't fought professionally in 15 years (and that was an MMA bout). I obviously can't speak for how much power a pro boxer retains - Francis obviously has a fair amount given he's working security, and that bloke was bade goodnight - but he was being a wanker and one punch where complete restraint is otherwise shown does not seem unreasonable to me.11
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Ginger baldy is the one that gets me. "Why did you do that".
Are you blind or stupid? Perhaps because the guy was being a lairy prick for the last few minutes, insulted me, took a swing at my colleague, and was still giving it as he approached me.1 -
The whole group were not just 'walking away' though. Have a closer study and you see them getting ushered out of the park all whilst going back & forth towards the bouncersSELR_addicks said:
It reads like a report from a manager in a company about to get sued, covering their arse.ForeverAddickted said:
Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt.SELR_addicks said:If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him.
Bouncer will lose his job easy.
Didn't realise walking out of the outdoor area and away from the site with hands down is 'violent' but that's just me.1 -
Not unreasonable at all to punch him in that situation. One punch, didn't go in afterwards (many bouncers I've seen in this situation would pile on and probably punch or kick the guy as he's down just for good measure)
Julius might get a reprimand or something, but I doubt he's doing time or anything else for that.
I've worked in clubs, cocktail bars and street markets like Boxpark for 8 years now and have worked with security and subsequently the police gathering CCTV evidence of alleged assaults from security on the public multiple times. Only once did one of the security get done for excessive force relative to the other man's actions. The altercation in question was during an argument about not being let back into the venue, the customer grabbed the security guards beanie hat and pulled it off him, the security guard gave him an uppercut that sent the customer sprawling across the pavement.0 -
I dt think that was necessary0
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Thanks. I was told this on my SIA renewal course...Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Absolutely correct.I have just attended a conflict management course and that is what we were told.redbuttle said:
I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..cfgs said:
Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon. Lawyers would love to argue it over.redbuttle said:
Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law...Addick Addict said:/cfgs said:
The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.That video will probably get him the sack.
The question is whether he has used reasonable force in defending himself. That is the thing lawyers could argue over.0 -
Wish he knocked that ginger bloke out an all.
Must be a worry for young Francis though. The power and the drunkenness of his opponent (not sure if he was drunk but I hope he had a fair few otherwise his behavior is even more inexcusable) when we have all seen many a story of one punch causing brain damage (though there's a thought this guy might already have it, I mean who in their right mind wears a head bandanna) or even death.
Hope the bloke is alright apart from a massive black eye and hopefully a new outlook on his behavior.
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Watched this a few times. Can't help but feel it's a sucker punch.2
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Super necessary.lolwray said:I dt think that was necessary1
Hands clearly not down just before incident. Given the fact he had already raised his hands to multiple people,fully justified in giving the trappy bloke a slap.
