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A little disappointed Nicholls looking to bypass Cheltenham with Stage Star was dreaming of a owners badge, he has a entry in Ballymore but more likely to go to Aintree2
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northstandsteve said:Opinions Bob I don’t see it
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The Racing Post's attempt at humour when addiction isn't actually funny!!!!
William Buick odds-on to land his first Flat jockeys' crown after Murphy ban
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Evidently horses see the colour orange as a shade of green .. so all NH courses are to repaint their fence and hurdle take off boards and guard rails, currently coloured orange, white to make it easier for horses to see the fences .. 'The Times'1
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Lincsaddick said:Evidently horses see the colour orange as a shade of green .. so all NH courses are to repaint their fence and hurdle take off boards and guard rails, currently coloured orange, white to make it easier for horses to see the fences .. 'The Times'
Great research though and anything that helps them to see the fences has to help5 -
Interesting runner in the 3.00 @ Kempton .. Russian Ruler !1
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I might putin my acca today.5
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iaitch said:I might putin my acca today.0
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super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up2
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Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.4 -
Recently saw (for the first time) the 1973 grand national.
I know Crisp carried considerably more weight than Red Rum but what an exhilarating race between the 2.
I wonder if the exchanges were about then what the ‘in running’ prices would’ve been.2 -
Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.1 -
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Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.Well Henderson had three at Ludlow today. The first one, Barbados Blue, was pulled up in the 2.00 which was a four runner race - having never been pulled up in its first dozen career races, this is the second consecutive time it has done so. The second runner, Go Chique, was due to run in the 2.30 but was pulled at 1.25 and the third, Balkeo, was also taken out but this time at 2.17 i.e. immediately after Barbados Blue had rune so poorly. The reason for both was given as the ground.Now we know Henderson likes to look after his horses but the fact remains that they haven't been running well (one winner and four placed with10 pulled up from his last 24 runners) and he is looking for an excuse not to run them rather than to do so. Another acid test will be the next two days at Newbury, a track where he loves to run his horses that have a real chance of winning. He has four tomorrow and two on Saturday including Buveur D'Air. I just hope that most of them run some sort of race.1 -
Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.Well Henderson had three at Ludlow today. The first one, Barbados Blue, was pulled up in the 2.00 which was a four runner race - having never been pulled up in its first dozen career races, this is the second consecutive time it has done so. The second runner, Go Chique, was due to run in the 2.30 but was pulled at 1.25 and the third, Balkeo, was also taken out but this time at 2.17 i.e. immediately after Barbados Blue had rune so poorly. The reason for both was given as the ground.Now we know Henderson likes to look after his horses but the fact remains that they haven't been running well (one winner and four placed with10 pulled up from his last 24 runners) and he is looking for an excuse not to run them rather than to do so. Another acid test will be the next two days at Newbury, a track where he loves to run his horses that have a real chance of winning. He has four tomorrow and two on Saturday including Buveur D'Air. I just hope that most of them run some sort of race.0 -
Lincsaddick said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.Well Henderson had three at Ludlow today. The first one, Barbados Blue, was pulled up in the 2.00 which was a four runner race - having never been pulled up in its first dozen career races, this is the second consecutive time it has done so. The second runner, Go Chique, was due to run in the 2.30 but was pulled at 1.25 and the third, Balkeo, was also taken out but this time at 2.17 i.e. immediately after Barbados Blue had rune so poorly. The reason for both was given as the ground.Now we know Henderson likes to look after his horses but the fact remains that they haven't been running well (one winner and four placed with10 pulled up from his last 24 runners) and he is looking for an excuse not to run them rather than to do so. Another acid test will be the next two days at Newbury, a track where he loves to run his horses that have a real chance of winning. He has four tomorrow and two on Saturday including Buveur D'Air. I just hope that most of them run some sort of race.
Venetia Williams has already announced that she has had a virus in her stable and is trying to get her horses right. All stables go through something like that and it does spread from stable to stable through contact at races. Henry de Bromhead in Ireland had similar issues a couple of months ago in Ireland. This is the wrong time of year for it to happen with Cheltenham, Aintree and Punchestown coming up.
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bobmunro said:bobmunro said:*cough* Allegorie De Vassy for the Mares Novice Hurdle *cough*Best you'll now get is 7/1 but it comes with a very high level of confidence. Back before she runs again at the end of the month.Just been scratched - injury.Rhymes with rollocks.
C'est la vie.0 - Sponsored links:
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Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.Well Henderson had three at Ludlow today. The first one, Barbados Blue, was pulled up in the 2.00 which was a four runner race - having never been pulled up in its first dozen career races, this is the second consecutive time it has done so. The second runner, Go Chique, was due to run in the 2.30 but was pulled at 1.25 and the third, Balkeo, was also taken out but this time at 2.17 i.e. immediately after Barbados Blue had rune so poorly. The reason for both was given as the ground.Now we know Henderson likes to look after his horses but the fact remains that they haven't been running well (one winner and four placed with10 pulled up from his last 24 runners) and he is looking for an excuse not to run them rather than to do so. Another acid test will be the next two days at Newbury, a track where he loves to run his horses that have a real chance of winning. He has four tomorrow and two on Saturday including Buveur D'Air. I just hope that most of them run some sort of race.
It will be very interesting to see how Henderson's two entries run later, particularly Touchy Feely in the 5.05 as this is the 7/2 third favourite and clearly fancied to run a race in the bumper.2 -
Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Addick Addict said:Lincsaddick said:super Saturday for trainer Christian Williams .. Ist and 2nd in the 85 Grand + Kempton Coral Trophy and the winner of the 42 Grand+ Eider at Newcastle .. nice to see unsung trainers taking some big pots .. have the likes of Henderson and Nicholls too many horses to look after, do they charge their owners too much, do owners with just one or two quality horses get a better deal with less well known trainers ? .. the 'big boys' still train a LOT of big race winners but the smaller stables are catching up
These stables might, of course, be preparing themselves for the big festivals in the months to come but I have been looking to oppose them and will continue to do so 'til they show some sign of an improvement in form and concentrate on those that are consistently running well - 15 of McCain's last 50 runners have won and no less than 17 of Rebecca Menzies' last 28 runners have finished first (10) of second (7). There are many others too including the aforementioned Christian Williams.
The biggest value to be had will always be from the smaller, less exposed stables simply because they are discounted by the general betting public. The same horse with a Paul Nicholls might go off 3/1 if under his care but two or three times that price from an unexposed stable.Well Henderson had three at Ludlow today. The first one, Barbados Blue, was pulled up in the 2.00 which was a four runner race - having never been pulled up in its first dozen career races, this is the second consecutive time it has done so. The second runner, Go Chique, was due to run in the 2.30 but was pulled at 1.25 and the third, Balkeo, was also taken out but this time at 2.17 i.e. immediately after Barbados Blue had rune so poorly. The reason for both was given as the ground.Now we know Henderson likes to look after his horses but the fact remains that they haven't been running well (one winner and four placed with10 pulled up from his last 24 runners) and he is looking for an excuse not to run them rather than to do so. Another acid test will be the next two days at Newbury, a track where he loves to run his horses that have a real chance of winning. He has four tomorrow and two on Saturday including Buveur D'Air. I just hope that most of them run some sort of race.
It will be very interesting to see how Henderson's two entries run later, particularly Touchy Feely in the 5.05 as this is the 7/2 third favourite and clearly fancied to run a race in the bumper.
All on Touchy Feely in 5.05.0 -
Oh my word. Touch Feely was all over the winner and traded at 1.07 in running but was as green as grass and ran right away from the whip in the final furlong to the extent that it took out one horse and allowed another to come through and win. Will possibly be demoted though that would have to be to 4th and makes it less than likely. A ban for jockey Waley-Cohen is likely though.
Touchy Feely was the winner on merit and that was a much more promising run from a Henderson inmate. Hopefully we'll see a couple more of them tomorrow.0 -
Nichols horses doing okay today1
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ValleyGary said:Nichols horses doing okay today2
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Addick Addict said:ValleyGary said:Nichols horses doing okay today0
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https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/they-are-diluting-it-more-and-more-carl-llewellyn-against-five-day-festival/543032
For what it's worth (zero, of course) I completely agree.
As we've seen with every other sport that looks only to suckle on TV's tit (forgive the simile), the supposed benefits for the event itself will ultimately prove self-defeating but the consequences for the sport will be further-reaching and damaging.
As always, the big boys will thrive, the rest can (apparently) go to hell.2 -
PeanutsMolloy said:https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/they-are-diluting-it-more-and-more-carl-llewellyn-against-five-day-festival/543032
For what it's worth (zero, of course) I completely agree.
As we've seen with every other sport that looks only to suckle on TV's tit (forgive the simile), the supposed benefits for the event itself will ultimately prove self-defeating but the consequences for the sport will be further-reaching and damaging.
As always, the big boys will thrive, the rest can (apparently) go to hell.
There should be a clarion call to go back to three days rather than extend to five.
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I wouldn't go back to three days, but I wouldn't extend to five either. I think they have it right as it is.0
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Have the English trainers given up at Cheltenham? The National Hunt Chase, for example, has 7 runners!!!! Of those, Rebecca Curtis has 2 and the other 5 are Irish trained. I remember when this race used to have 20 plus runners and it used to be run over 4 miles instead of the revised shorter trip so one would have thought that this would entice more and not less runners.4