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I've always liked Moyes and really pleased he's doing so well after a difficult few years.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Yeah he's doing an amazing job, i thought they might struggle a bit what with balancing European football as well, but they're top of their Europa group, into the league cup quarters (beating United and City) and are top 4 in the league.ValleyGary said:Can’t knock what Moyes has done at West Ham.
His team play some really good football as well, always really like watching West Ham play. I bet in a weird way he might be a little annoyed this new investment seems to be coming into West Ham as it might put a little bit more pressure on if they have more money to spend, I think at the moment he has his team exactly where he wants them and seems to just add little bits of quality each year similar to what he was doing at Everton.1 -
Lot of noise of the Norwich owner pocketing the cash. Isn't it Delia who is a fan. I have not looked but doubt she is pocketing the cash. More likely investing into the clubs infrastructure and keeping some in the bank for a rainy day as they can be numerous outside of the PL. Could set the club up for years. Miserable for the fans but that is the way the PL has driven things in recent years. Comparing them to Watford, Newcastle, even Palace is a nonsense as the wealth of the owners is a different stratosphere.2
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Completely agree with everything you said here. I don't think anyone can accuse the owners of pocketing the cash, they have heavily invested in the club's infrastructure and clearly want the club to run sustainably. I'm sure I heard today on Sky that they were the 11th biggest spenders in Europe this year which suggests they are spending some of the money they are bringing in through player sales and Premier league revenue. From the looks of it this year perhaps they haven't spent the money wisely but that's a lot different from not investing the money at all, lots of clubs end up making mistakes in the transfer window and I'm sure Norwich won't be the last to do it.Athletico Charlton said:Lot of noise of the Norwich owner pocketing the cash. Isn't it Delia who is a fan. I have not looked but doubt she is pocketing the cash. More likely investing into the clubs infrastructure and keeping some in the bank for a rainy day as they can be numerous outside of the PL. Could set the club up for years. Miserable for the fans but that is the way the PL has driven things in recent years. Comparing them to Watford, Newcastle, even Palace is a nonsense as the wealth of the owners is a different stratosphere.
I know it must be pretty miserable being a Norwich supporter and nobody wants to be cannon fodder like they are at the moment but sometimes a little perspective is needed. It seems nowadays unless you are going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds of your own money you are accused of lacking ambition. Of course the Derby owner had plenty of ambition and yet look where they are now.
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https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/ncfc-publish-financial-report-for-2020-21-season-8441244
Even with covid they made a £20m profit last season, and without that it would have been £55m.
"City were still able to invest £4.2million into improving infrastructure at Carrow Road and the Lotus Training Centre, as well as providing £250,000 towards completing the Community Sports Foundation’s community hub near Hellesdon, The Nest. "
£20m profit with only £4.5m being reinvested to infrastructure spending. So where is the other £15.5m?1 -
I'd be happy if that were us. Yes, you have a crappy prem season where you are just cannon fodder, but you preserve your wealth and have a huge advantage in the champ the following year, as well as having been a shop window to cash in on one or two players for big profits. If you manage it well you build your financial reserves steadily until such time as you can realistically stay in the prem as other promoted sides fall away.
It's a medium term model with some risks, but you aren't betting the ranch to get promoted, as we've seen elsewhere.0 -
The problem comes when they're selling any player that comes in that looks any good.IdleHans said:I'd be happy if that were us. Yes, you have a crappy prem season where you are just cannon fodder, but you preserve your wealth and have a huge advantage in the champ the following year, as well as having been a shop window to cash in on one or two players for big profits. If you manage it well you build your financial reserves steadily until such time as you can realistically stay in the prem as other promoted sides fall away.
It's a medium term model with some risks, but you aren't betting the ranch to get promoted, as we've seen elsewhere.
If they'd have kept Godfrey, Buendia and Jamal Lewis it would look like they were trying to stabilise as a Premier League side. Rather than happy to continue yo-yoing and pocket any Premier League money then claim they don't have the money to compete.0 -
That £20m profit would have been a £39m loss had it not been for player sales of £60 million. If their board invested every single penny of money coming into the club every season then they'd never have any money for future projects or to cover any future losses.SELR_addicks said:https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/ncfc-publish-financial-report-for-2020-21-season-8441244
Even with covid they made a £20m profit last season, and without that it would have been £55m.
"City were still able to invest £4.2million into improving infrastructure at Carrow Road and the Lotus Training Centre, as well as providing £250,000 towards completing the Community Sports Foundation’s community hub near Hellesdon, The Nest. "
£20m profit with only £4.5m being reinvested to infrastructure spending. So where is the other £15.5m?
I suspect that their board has envisaged they won't have player sales of £60 million every year and therefore want to save some for a rainy day which seems pretty prudent. I've certainly not read anything to suggest they are taking large amounts of money out of the club for their own benefit and imagine if they were it would be detailed in the accounts.0 -
They have the small matter of £100m payment from the Premier League for TV revenue. Is that going into the secret future fund too?Notts_Addick said:
That £20m profit would have been a £39m loss had it not been for player sales of £60 million. If their board invested every single penny of money coming into the club every season then they'd never have any money for future projects or to cover any future losses.SELR_addicks said:https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/ncfc-publish-financial-report-for-2020-21-season-8441244
Even with covid they made a £20m profit last season, and without that it would have been £55m.
"City were still able to invest £4.2million into improving infrastructure at Carrow Road and the Lotus Training Centre, as well as providing £250,000 towards completing the Community Sports Foundation’s community hub near Hellesdon, The Nest. "
£20m profit with only £4.5m being reinvested to infrastructure spending. So where is the other £15.5m?
I suspect that their board has envisaged they won't have player sales of £60 million every year and therefore want to save some for a rainy day which seems pretty prudent. I've certainly not read anything to suggest they are taking large amounts of money out of the club for their own benefit and imagine if they were it would be detailed in the accounts.0 -
You only need to read Norwich's accounts which are made public every year to know they regularly post financial losses which is despite the fact they try and run sustainably. Someone has to cover those losses and its either the owners or money put away for a rainy day, or a combination of both. They have regularly made pretty heavy losses over the last 5-6 years despite the fact they try and run as sustainably as they can.SELR_addicks said:
They have the small matter of £100m payment from the Premier League for TV revenue. Is that going into the secret future fund too?Notts_Addick said:
That £20m profit would have been a £39m loss had it not been for player sales of £60 million. If their board invested every single penny of money coming into the club every season then they'd never have any money for future projects or to cover any future losses.SELR_addicks said:https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/ncfc-publish-financial-report-for-2020-21-season-8441244
Even with covid they made a £20m profit last season, and without that it would have been £55m.
"City were still able to invest £4.2million into improving infrastructure at Carrow Road and the Lotus Training Centre, as well as providing £250,000 towards completing the Community Sports Foundation’s community hub near Hellesdon, The Nest. "
£20m profit with only £4.5m being reinvested to infrastructure spending. So where is the other £15.5m?
I suspect that their board has envisaged they won't have player sales of £60 million every year and therefore want to save some for a rainy day which seems pretty prudent. I've certainly not read anything to suggest they are taking large amounts of money out of the club for their own benefit and imagine if they were it would be detailed in the accounts.
Their last time in the Premier League saw them just about breaking even, so it's a myth that promotion to the Premier League somehow means they become super rich. Their income might increase but so does their day to day costs, either way it's pretty clear from their accounts that the owners are not lining their pockets.
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Been told he has gone tonight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It was a bit of a mess the whole way through. They had 6-7 months to sort out a new manager after Poch left and they put Mason in charge but even when the season ended they were no nearer to finding a manager and didn't hire Nuno until the very end of June.Notts_Addick said:I'm not a Spurs fan but I said at the time their dismissal of Poch must go down as one of the worst footballing decisions in living memory. I normally like to try and be balanced and see things from both sides however I genuinely will never understand how people at the club felt it was a good idea. They just look like a shadow of the team they were under him ever since he left.
I really liked Nuno at Wolves however his appointment at Spurs looked doomed from the start. Levy is often branded as an astute operator however their managerial search at the start of the season was an embarrassment, Nuno was under instant pressure due to it being public knowledge that he was about 7th choice. Even Gattuso was linked to the job before him who has achieved literally zero in his managerial career up to now despite numerous appointments.
Spurs simply don't have the players to play in Nuno's preferred style and I don't think Spurs fans wanted it either, especially coming off the end of the Mourinho spell. That is no disrespect to Nuno as I think he did a great job at Wolves and reckon he'd do a decent job at another club, but it seemed so obvious that he wasn't a good fit at Spurs and yet they went and appointed him anyway.
He was only given a 2 year deal, apparently with a clause that he can be sacked after 1 year if they don't get top 6, so that just shows you how unsure they were.
Also Nuno was apparently quite close to getting the Palace job, until talks broke down over money. There's no way Spurs should be in the hunt for a manager who is also interesting Palace.
I wonder if they'll end up going back for Fonseca who they should've got in the first place.
Not a surprise.2 - Sponsored links:
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Who do you think is next up?JohnBoyUK said:
Been told he has gone tonight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It was a bit of a mess the whole way through. They had 6-7 months to sort out a new manager after Poch left and they put Mason in charge but even when the season ended they were no nearer to finding a manager and didn't hire Nuno until the very end of June.Notts_Addick said:I'm not a Spurs fan but I said at the time their dismissal of Poch must go down as one of the worst footballing decisions in living memory. I normally like to try and be balanced and see things from both sides however I genuinely will never understand how people at the club felt it was a good idea. They just look like a shadow of the team they were under him ever since he left.
I really liked Nuno at Wolves however his appointment at Spurs looked doomed from the start. Levy is often branded as an astute operator however their managerial search at the start of the season was an embarrassment, Nuno was under instant pressure due to it being public knowledge that he was about 7th choice. Even Gattuso was linked to the job before him who has achieved literally zero in his managerial career up to now despite numerous appointments.
Spurs simply don't have the players to play in Nuno's preferred style and I don't think Spurs fans wanted it either, especially coming off the end of the Mourinho spell. That is no disrespect to Nuno as I think he did a great job at Wolves and reckon he'd do a decent job at another club, but it seemed so obvious that he wasn't a good fit at Spurs and yet they went and appointed him anyway.
He was only given a 2 year deal, apparently with a clause that he can be sacked after 1 year if they don't get top 6, so that just shows you how unsure they were.
Also Nuno was apparently quite close to getting the Palace job, until talks broke down over money. There's no way Spurs should be in the hunt for a manager who is also interesting Palace.
I wonder if they'll end up going back for Fonseca who they should've got in the first place.
Not a surprise.
Most managers said no in the summer.0 -
alright fella, rub it in why dont you?! lol.SELR_addicks said:
Who do you think is next up?JohnBoyUK said:
Been told he has gone tonight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It was a bit of a mess the whole way through. They had 6-7 months to sort out a new manager after Poch left and they put Mason in charge but even when the season ended they were no nearer to finding a manager and didn't hire Nuno until the very end of June.Notts_Addick said:I'm not a Spurs fan but I said at the time their dismissal of Poch must go down as one of the worst footballing decisions in living memory. I normally like to try and be balanced and see things from both sides however I genuinely will never understand how people at the club felt it was a good idea. They just look like a shadow of the team they were under him ever since he left.
I really liked Nuno at Wolves however his appointment at Spurs looked doomed from the start. Levy is often branded as an astute operator however their managerial search at the start of the season was an embarrassment, Nuno was under instant pressure due to it being public knowledge that he was about 7th choice. Even Gattuso was linked to the job before him who has achieved literally zero in his managerial career up to now despite numerous appointments.
Spurs simply don't have the players to play in Nuno's preferred style and I don't think Spurs fans wanted it either, especially coming off the end of the Mourinho spell. That is no disrespect to Nuno as I think he did a great job at Wolves and reckon he'd do a decent job at another club, but it seemed so obvious that he wasn't a good fit at Spurs and yet they went and appointed him anyway.
He was only given a 2 year deal, apparently with a clause that he can be sacked after 1 year if they don't get top 6, so that just shows you how unsure they were.
Also Nuno was apparently quite close to getting the Palace job, until talks broke down over money. There's no way Spurs should be in the hunt for a manager who is also interesting Palace.
I wonder if they'll end up going back for Fonseca who they should've got in the first place.
Not a surprise.
Most managers said no in the summer.
Fuck knows tbh with you. Wouldnt be at all surprised if its Ryan Mason / Chris Powell interim again for a few weeks at least.2 -
Have also been told Nuno has got the boot0
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I could understand Norwich more if they expanded Carrow Road with the PL money. They have always got good crowds, even in L1, and the extra income from say another 5000 seats would make the club more sustainable at this level0
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Johnnie JacksonJohnBoyUK said:
alright fella, rub it in why dont you?! lol.SELR_addicks said:
Who do you think is next up?JohnBoyUK said:
Been told he has gone tonight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It was a bit of a mess the whole way through. They had 6-7 months to sort out a new manager after Poch left and they put Mason in charge but even when the season ended they were no nearer to finding a manager and didn't hire Nuno until the very end of June.Notts_Addick said:I'm not a Spurs fan but I said at the time their dismissal of Poch must go down as one of the worst footballing decisions in living memory. I normally like to try and be balanced and see things from both sides however I genuinely will never understand how people at the club felt it was a good idea. They just look like a shadow of the team they were under him ever since he left.
I really liked Nuno at Wolves however his appointment at Spurs looked doomed from the start. Levy is often branded as an astute operator however their managerial search at the start of the season was an embarrassment, Nuno was under instant pressure due to it being public knowledge that he was about 7th choice. Even Gattuso was linked to the job before him who has achieved literally zero in his managerial career up to now despite numerous appointments.
Spurs simply don't have the players to play in Nuno's preferred style and I don't think Spurs fans wanted it either, especially coming off the end of the Mourinho spell. That is no disrespect to Nuno as I think he did a great job at Wolves and reckon he'd do a decent job at another club, but it seemed so obvious that he wasn't a good fit at Spurs and yet they went and appointed him anyway.
He was only given a 2 year deal, apparently with a clause that he can be sacked after 1 year if they don't get top 6, so that just shows you how unsure they were.
Also Nuno was apparently quite close to getting the Palace job, until talks broke down over money. There's no way Spurs should be in the hunt for a manager who is also interesting Palace.
I wonder if they'll end up going back for Fonseca who they should've got in the first place.
Not a surprise.
Most managers said no in the summer.
Fuck knows tbh with you. Wouldnt be at all surprised if its Ryan Mason / Chris Powell interim again for a few weeks at least.
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Ticket money is nothing to premier league clubs these days.killerandflash said:I could understand Norwich more if they expanded Carrow Road with the PL money. They have always got good crowds, even in L1, and the extra income from say another 5000 seats would make the club more sustainable at this level
How much would it cost to expand their ground by 5k? Probably millions.
And if they sold those 5k extra season tickets at (for example) 500 quid that's an extra........... 2.5m a season.0 -
JJ would do a better job than Nuno.killerandflash said:
Johnnie JacksonJohnBoyUK said:
alright fella, rub it in why dont you?! lol.SELR_addicks said:
Who do you think is next up?JohnBoyUK said:
Been told he has gone tonight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It was a bit of a mess the whole way through. They had 6-7 months to sort out a new manager after Poch left and they put Mason in charge but even when the season ended they were no nearer to finding a manager and didn't hire Nuno until the very end of June.Notts_Addick said:I'm not a Spurs fan but I said at the time their dismissal of Poch must go down as one of the worst footballing decisions in living memory. I normally like to try and be balanced and see things from both sides however I genuinely will never understand how people at the club felt it was a good idea. They just look like a shadow of the team they were under him ever since he left.
I really liked Nuno at Wolves however his appointment at Spurs looked doomed from the start. Levy is often branded as an astute operator however their managerial search at the start of the season was an embarrassment, Nuno was under instant pressure due to it being public knowledge that he was about 7th choice. Even Gattuso was linked to the job before him who has achieved literally zero in his managerial career up to now despite numerous appointments.
Spurs simply don't have the players to play in Nuno's preferred style and I don't think Spurs fans wanted it either, especially coming off the end of the Mourinho spell. That is no disrespect to Nuno as I think he did a great job at Wolves and reckon he'd do a decent job at another club, but it seemed so obvious that he wasn't a good fit at Spurs and yet they went and appointed him anyway.
He was only given a 2 year deal, apparently with a clause that he can be sacked after 1 year if they don't get top 6, so that just shows you how unsure they were.
Also Nuno was apparently quite close to getting the Palace job, until talks broke down over money. There's no way Spurs should be in the hunt for a manager who is also interesting Palace.
I wonder if they'll end up going back for Fonseca who they should've got in the first place.
Not a surprise.
Most managers said no in the summer.
Fuck knows tbh with you. Wouldnt be at all surprised if its Ryan Mason / Chris Powell interim again for a few weeks at least.
At least he knows Spurs and knows what we expect.
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There is one chap who might not be quite ready to take the Spurs job yet. Actually think he might be England Manager one day. He has the distinction of being the only Manager, apart from Klopp, to be unbeaten. His side has only let in three goals in the last 12 matches. He also played for Spurs and his sides play in his image as a player.
Dare not mention his name for fear of the abuse just for mentioning his name on here!1 -
The spurs fan on sky sports news just now epitomizes how deluded some of their fans are.
He said 'Spurs fans are probably the most patient fans in the country"
SERIOUSLY???
He then said "all we want is to see Spurs play attacking football. Levy should pull out all the stops to go & get Antonio Conte"
Has he ever seen the way Conte sets his teams up??3 -
And got a track record of premier league relegation so if he could do that again would be pretty funny.Addick Addict said:There is one chap who might not be quite ready to take the Spurs job yet. Actually think he might be England Manager one day. He has the distinction of being the only Manager, apart from Klopp, to be unbeaten. His side has only let in three goals in the last 12 matches. He also played for Spurs and his sides play in his image as a player.
Dare not mention his name for fear of the abuse just for mentioning his name on here!1 - Sponsored links:
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Plus the additional money spent in the club shop, on food and drink etc. And maybe some extra corporate space tooChris_from_Sidcup said:
Ticket money is nothing to premier league clubs these days.killerandflash said:I could understand Norwich more if they expanded Carrow Road with the PL money. They have always got good crowds, even in L1, and the extra income from say another 5000 seats would make the club more sustainable at this level
How much would it cost to expand their ground by 5k? Probably millions.
And if they sold those 5k extra season tickets at (for example) 500 quid that's an extra........... 2.5m a season.
After all, if seating means so little, why have Liverpool built that massive new main stand and are about to expand the Anfield Road End? Or Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham all moved (one way or another) to new 60k stadiums?
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Relegation from the PL never stopped Southgate from becoming Manager. It's character forming!MrOneLung said:
And got a track record of premier league relegation so if he could do that again would be pretty funny.Addick Addict said:There is one chap who might not be quite ready to take the Spurs job yet. Actually think he might be England Manager one day. He has the distinction of being the only Manager, apart from Klopp, to be unbeaten. His side has only let in three goals in the last 12 matches. He also played for Spurs and his sides play in his image as a player.
Dare not mention his name for fear of the abuse just for mentioning his name on here!0 -
Thankfully Daniel Levy remains in charge at Spurs - clueless. Who will be the next manager?0
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Lets be honest here... we could employ a cyborg woth the DNA of Sir Alex, Klopp and Pep and nothing would change... until Levy and ENiC run the club like a football club and not a property investment company!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Thankfully Daniel Levy remains in charge at Spurs - clueless. Who will be the next manager?
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I can't see any decent manager wanting to work under Levy - will be interesting to see how the season pans out.JohnBoyUK said:
Lets be honest here... we could employ a cyborg woth the DNA of Sir Alex, Klopp and Pep and nothing would change... until Levy and ENiC run the club like a football club and not a property investment company!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Thankfully Daniel Levy remains in charge at Spurs - clueless. Who will be the next manager?
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How much will Declan Rice be sold for?
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The only team that need him is Man United. Not as if they’re setting the world alight though.orpingtonRED said:How much will Declan Rice be sold for?
Just keeps on improving
Chelsea have Kante, Liverpool have Fabinho, City have Rodri.
I could see Kante going to PSG, and Rice to Chelsea to reunite with his best mate Mount.
Different type of player, but surely comparable money wise to Grealish, so £100m?4 -
Easily 100m. Young, English, contracted to 2024.
Only issue for West Ham is there are rumours he won't sign a new contract unless it includes a release clause, and if he doesn't sign a new deal by next summer then it's the last summer West Ham have to get big money for him. His value goes down after that.0 -
Fancy 2-2 Wolves vs Everton0
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Pep is not silly he would defo be in for Rice even with Rodri.Ross said:
The only team that need him is Man United. Not as if they’re setting the world alight though.orpingtonRED said:How much will Declan Rice be sold for?
Just keeps on improving
Chelsea have Kante, Liverpool have Fabinho, City have Rodri.
I could see Kante going to PSG, and Rice to Chelsea to reunite with his best mate Mount.
Different type of player, but surely comparable money wise to Grealish, so £100m?
But yeh a Chelsea return seems most likely.1
