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A petition to ban racists from football.
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There will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.Rothko said:Gawd people on here who used to pal around with the EDL getting moralistic is always something to behold
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bigstemarra said:
But surely you must see how people are going to link the two.....Wilma said:The BLM movement and the BLM organisation are different things. The link I posted earlier explains this.
Why not give it a different name....something like 'Kick it Out' for instance
“KICK IT OUT AND FSA CALL ON ENGLAND FANS TO APPLAUD PLAYERS TAKING THE KNEE”
https://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-out-and-fsa-call-on-england-fans-to-applaud-players-taking-the-knee
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Times change, things move on, people see the wrong if what they previously did and change who they are. Others stay in the dark ages.Rothko said:Gawd people on here who used to pal around with the EDL getting moralistic is always something to behold1 -
Racist abuse is completely unforgivable. But according to Channel 4 news there were167 racist tweets during the Euros out of 850,000 , hardly an epidemic.
This is a classic moral panic.
A cynic might also say that somebody's PR agency wanted to deflect a nation's attention away from its client being blamed for losing a game with a twattish penalty by shouting 'racism' which gets everybody's attention.
Thankfully I am not a cynic.0 -
I always think of the bellends that support us and England when we lose and think that’s what them pricks deserve …
ffs we must have more than I thought the last 15 years of shite we’ve been through1 -
I suppose if anyone boos the players for taking a knee then the club will at least be able to identify them and take action. It also seems like a completely embarrassing thing for an adult to do.9
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If they are wearing a mask, would the club be able to identify if somebody in a crowd is booing or not ?CharltonMadrid said:I suppose if anyone boos the players for taking a knee then the club will at least be able to identify them and take action. It also seems like a completely embarrassing thing for an adult to do.0 -
There’s something very very creepy about a fully grown man that boos. I can accept a child watching a pantomime doing it, but not Dave, 45, from Billericay.27
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Presumably the cynic would also presume the agency ALSO dispatched a few guys to deliberately deface a mural of one of the players.Southbank said:
Racist abuse is completely unforgivable. But according to Channel 4 news there were167 racist tweets during the Euros out of 850,000 , hardly an epidemic.
This is a classic moral panic.
A cynic might also say that somebody's PR agency wanted to deflect a nation's attention away from its client being blamed for losing a game with a twattish penalty by shouting 'racism' which gets everybody's attention.
Thankfully I am not a cynic.
So it's lucky that you are no cynic because that theory is clearly bollocks and the problem goes well beyond Twitter.
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So what should be the punishment for Dave if he decides to boo the taking of the knee?0
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He has to get a season ticketclb74 said:So what should be the punishment for Dave if he decides to boo the taking of the knee?14 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
He has to get a season ticket and sit next to Golfie and meclb74 said:So what should be the punishment for Dave if he decides to boo the taking of the knee?
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Anyone who boos players taking the knee to protest racism & social injustice is a total dick. And almost certainly a racist too.8
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Those people who seem to believe that believing that black lives matter can be a thing without meaning that the person saying it supports a Marxist organisation must be confused when their partners go in to labour and they hear about my catholic tastes in music.0
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With a petition like this, I don't think the detail in the petition text of what's called for to fix the problem, matters. It's the basic sentiment that counts. I think it's clear that there is no quick fix to the problem of racism in society, the important thing is to send a message to the government that this has to go on the agenda, and all you need is the sheer power of the number (compared to other petitions).
In that respect the support for Tyrone Mings' absolutely brilliant broadside on Patel on Twitter is equally important. It has 542,000 likes and apparently got one of the biggest positive metrics for a UK tweet ever. That was an incredibly brave thing to do by anyone in the public eye. You take on a Home Office Minister as vindictive and psychopathic as Patel, you can expect consequences. Anyone on Twitter who hasn't yet done so, put a protective arm around him with a like.
Oh and a note to my old friend @Southbank. Hope you are well, old chap. Just a note on the above... Tyrone Mings didn't take a penalty...10 -
'Take action' - what would you like to happen to somebody that boo's? What would the 'taking action' be for? The booing or the fact the person booing is possibly racist. Good luck trying to prove that.CharltonMadrid said:I suppose if anyone boos the players for taking a knee then the club will at least be able to identify them and take action. It also seems like a completely embarrassing thing for an adult to do.0 -
I hope those that choose to boo are able to do so without let or hindrance, as much as they want to.
But only if the process of taking the knee, pre-match, is adjusted slightly, so that, in future, the players take the knee until there has been one, continuous minute of perfectly-observed silence, throughout the whole ground.
So, if you just want to turn up and watch the football without worrying whether it's 'getting political', all you have to do is shut the fuck up.3 -
I think and expect that at The Valley there would be quite a lot of peer pressure directed towards the booing person to stop. I’m guessing that in most cases that would be enough. It’s more difficult I guess for the club to do very much although personally I would support the club in saying that anyone booing players taking the knee would be removed from the ground and given a season long ban. I expect that’s a step too far though. It would be interesting if the players, as a group specifically asked for the fans support when taking the knee because that really does shift emphasis onto the twats considering booing.clb74 said:So what should be the punishment for Dave if he decides to boo the taking of the knee?3 -
Did you boo when the club invited out the Valley Party to do the Valley Gold draw at the game against Wimbledon in the run up to the 1990 elections as you were at football and had people preaching their politcal beliefs at you?Billericaydickie said:
Taking the knee is a political gesture that is uncalled for in English football.rananegra said:
Why are you booing though? I've not heard anyone say why they were booing apart from some rubbish about Marxism. If you've not got a convincing reason for booing an anti-racist gesture, it's reasonable to assume that you are booing because you are against anti-racism.Billericaydickie said:I intend to boo if I see any players taking the knee at the Valley next season.
I believe that I am simply expressing my rights under the freedom of speech laws. But I am sure some other fans will call me a racist.
Therefore I will delay signing this petition until I see what the reaction is to my booing.
Black life’s matter, White life’s matter, All life’s matter.
I go to football to watch the game, not for players to preach to me their political beliefs.13 -
I would say that, if the reporting by the New Statement and Newsnight are correct and the overwhelming number of racist tweets received by the players came from overseas, then several things can be true at the same time:1, Whether 5 or 25 people saying racist things in England then that is still 5 or 25 too many and those people are still morons who should be shunned.2, I am sure that it makes it no less hurtful that the messages came from overseas, but I do hope it gives the players some comfort that, overwhelmingly, they are not actually living amongst those morons.3, Some of the more extreme claims about the scale of just how racist Britain is, which we have seen since Sunday night, appear to be something of a moral panic.4, The comments by Tyrone Mings and Phil Neville about Priti Patel, although no doubt well meant, seem increasingly inaccurate and ill-judged.2
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the taking of the knee isn't done in silence though is it?Chizz said:I hope those that choose to boo are able to do so without let or hindrance, as much as they want to.
But only if the process of taking the knee, pre-match, is adjusted slightly, so that, in future, the players take the knee until there has been one, continuous minute of perfectly-observed silence, throughout the whole ground.
So, if you just want to turn up and watch the football without worrying whether it's 'getting political', all you have to do is shut the fuck up.0 -
Looks like the shit might of hit the fan in football.
BBC just said Portsmouth have put a statement out something to do with the u18s0 -
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I would say there are many more ways of being racist than booing a knee or sending tweets, and that the government have been stoking the fires for a long time.SteveKielyCambridge said:I would say that, if the reporting by the New Statement and Newsnight are correct and the overwhelming number of racist tweets received by the players came from overseas, then several things can be true at the same time:1, Whether 5 or 25 people saying racist things in England then that is still 5 or 25 too many and those people are still morons who should be shunned.2, I am sure that it makes it no less hurtful that the messages came from overseas, but I do hope it gives the players some comfort that, overwhelmingly, they are not actually living amongst those morons.3, Some of the more extreme claims about the scale of just how racist Britain is, which we have seen since Sunday night, appear to be something of a moral panic.4, The comments by Tyrone Mings and Phil Neville about Priti Patel, although no doubt well meant, seem increasingly inaccurate and ill-judged.2 -
Really? Care to expand on that?SteveKielyCambridge said:I would say that, if the reporting by the New Statement and Newsnight are correct and the overwhelming number of racist tweets received by the players came from overseas, then several things can be true at the same time:1, Whether 5 or 25 people saying racist things in England then that is still 5 or 25 too many and those people are still morons who should be shunned.2, I am sure that it makes it no less hurtful that the messages came from overseas, but I do hope it gives the players some comfort that, overwhelmingly, they are not actually living amongst those morons.3, Some of the more extreme claims about the scale of just how racist Britain is, which we have seen since Sunday night, appear to be something of a moral panic.4, The comments by Tyrone Mings and Phil Neville about Priti Patel, although no doubt well meant, seem increasingly inaccurate and ill-judged.0 -
I think they were bang on the money.SteveKielyCambridge said:I would say that, if the reporting by the New Statement and Newsnight are correct and the overwhelming number of racist tweets received by the players came from overseas, then several things can be true at the same time:1, Whether 5 or 25 people saying racist things in England then that is still 5 or 25 too many and those people are still morons who should be shunned.2, I am sure that it makes it no less hurtful that the messages came from overseas, but I do hope it gives the players some comfort that, overwhelmingly, they are not actually living amongst those morons.3, Some of the more extreme claims about the scale of just how racist Britain is, which we have seen since Sunday night, appear to be something of a moral panic.4, The comments by Tyrone Mings and Phil Neville about Priti Patel, although no doubt well meant, seem increasingly inaccurate and ill-judged.14 -
No. That's the point.cafcdave123 said:
the taking of the knee isn't done in silence though is it?Chizz said:I hope those that choose to boo are able to do so without let or hindrance, as much as they want to.
But only if the process of taking the knee, pre-match, is adjusted slightly, so that, in future, the players take the knee until there has been one, continuous minute of perfectly-observed silence, throughout the whole ground.
So, if you just want to turn up and watch the football without worrying whether it's 'getting political', all you have to do is shut the fuck up.1 -
Totally agree with your first point. The other three are simply rubbish.SteveKielyCambridge said:I would say that, if the reporting by the New Statement and Newsnight are correct and the overwhelming number of racist tweets received by the players came from overseas, then several things can be true at the same time:1, Whether 5 or 25 people saying racist things in England then that is still 5 or 25 too many and those people are still morons who should be shunned.2, I am sure that it makes it no less hurtful that the messages came from overseas, but I do hope it gives the players some comfort that, overwhelmingly, they are not actually living amongst those morons.3, Some of the more extreme claims about the scale of just how racist Britain is, which we have seen since Sunday night, appear to be something of a moral panic.4, The comments by Tyrone Mings and Phil Neville about Priti Patel, although no doubt well meant, seem increasingly inaccurate and ill-judged.1 -
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No. That's the point.cafcdave123 said:
the taking of the knee isn't done in silence though is it?Chizz said:I hope those that choose to boo are able to do so without let or hindrance, as much as they want to.
But only if the process of taking the knee, pre-match, is adjusted slightly, so that, in future, the players take the knee until there has been one, continuous minute of perfectly-observed silence, throughout the whole ground.
So, if you just want to turn up and watch the football without worrying whether it's 'getting political', all you have to do is shut the fuck up.
WOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHH
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