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Naomi Osaka & mental health
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I mean even Alex Ferguson managed to dip out of doing post match talks & didn’t get this grief.
But then he was a middle aged white man 🙄7 -
But the players get a lot of money - I understand the player in question has earned £30m over the last couple of years. Part of the deal is promoting the sport. Of course there has to be a sensitivity to mental illness and tennis needs to look at what it can do to mitigate the issues as far as possible.0
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clb74 said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dazzler21 said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Talal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dazzler21 said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dazzler21 said:She's been treated awfully in this.
Press conferences are less important than any individual player's mental health.
Absolute scum.
If she's said she's not doing interviews due to her mental health issues and has communicated just that, then that should be enough.
Guidelines have to be followed surely?0 -
PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:Valley11 said:She says she’s suffering. That’s all anyone needs to know.
Quite why this fires up Piers Morgan to go on the attack, I’ll never know.3 -
KBslittlesis said:I mean even Alex Ferguson managed to dip out of doing post match talks & didn’t get this grief.
But then he was a middle aged white man 🙄0 -
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MuttleyCAFC said:But the players get a lot of money - I understand the player in question has earned £30m over the last couple of years. Part of the deal is promoting the sport. Of course there has to be a sensitivity to mental illness and tennis needs to look at what it can do to mitigate the issues as far as possible.
And that's not even looking at the morals/ethics of such a route, which needless to say shut the whole concept down.2 -
thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/may/31/were-not-the-good-guys-osaka-shows-up-problems-of-press-conferences
"one of the world’s best athletes would literally rather quit a grand slam tournament than have to talk to the press. Rather than scrutinising what that says about her, it might be worth asking what that says about us."15 -
kentaddick said:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/may/31/were-not-the-good-guys-osaka-shows-up-problems-of-press-conferences
"one of the world’s best athletes would literally rather quit a grand slam tournament than have to talk to the press. Rather than scrutinising what that says about her, it might be worth asking what that says about us."
An MP has recently stepped away for a period of time due to suffering PTSD. Obviously we don't know the circumstances; is there something that needs to be done to protect people in such positions or is it that (depending on the circumstances) maybe the person is not ideally suited for the role?
It is human behaviour not to like being challenged and called to answer but there is often a fine between it being unacceptable and it being unfortunately downright unpleasant but necessary e.g. certain political situations. Did Martin Bashir/the BBC try to avoid scrutiny over the Diana situation, did Keith Vaz and Margaret Moran fairly avoid scrutiny over their actions?2 - Sponsored links:
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PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
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thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.
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thenewbie said:MuttleyCAFC said:But the players get a lot of money - I understand the player in question has earned £30m over the last couple of years. Part of the deal is promoting the sport. Of course there has to be a sensitivity to mental illness and tennis needs to look at what it can do to mitigate the issues as far as possible.
And that's not even looking at the morals/ethics of such a route, which needless to say shut the whole concept down.
That isn't to say, they shouldn't look at the way questions are asked and whether improvements can be made to help the individual.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:thenewbie said:MuttleyCAFC said:But the players get a lot of money - I understand the player in question has earned £30m over the last couple of years. Part of the deal is promoting the sport. Of course there has to be a sensitivity to mental illness and tennis needs to look at what it can do to mitigate the issues as far as possible.
And that's not even looking at the morals/ethics of such a route, which needless to say shut the whole concept down.
That isn't to say, they shouldn't look at the way questions are asked and whether improvements can be made to help the individual.
It's perfectly possible to be okay with one not the other.3 -
I suppose that is for the sport and sponsors to decide rather than you or me, but I am not against them trying to.0
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Very poorly handled by the tournament officialdom......in fact reprehensible.1
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I don't think she's done a great job here either....1
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MuttleyCAFC said:I suppose that is for the sport and sponsors to decide rather than you or me, but I am not against them trying to.
They did handle it badly but she didn't give them much to work with in terms of compromise or even discussion.2 -
MuttleyCAFC said:KBslittlesis said:I mean even Alex Ferguson managed to dip out of doing post match talks & didn’t get this grief.
But then he was a middle aged white man 🙄
But he still didn’t do them for the Beeb, always sent someone else out.
Don’t ever remember him getting any grief over it.0 -
I think clubs can be fined/sanctioned if the manager doesn't speak under league rules. I would assume that whilst this was the case when Fergie decided not to talk to the BBC specifically, those requirements have now been tightened as a result as it doesn't seem to have been repeated by other managers. Also, he was still undertaking interviews with other channels he didn't have a grievance with.
Elite sport has so much money in it because it is an entertainment service that has fans. Part of that in all sports are the media commitments. If the post match tennis questioning is too aggressive or intimidating, I think it is valid the relevant authorities look at it. But the personalities of the participants are always going to be part of the overall product and the sports themselves will always be conscious of that.0 - Sponsored links:
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PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.2 -
kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.1 -
PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.
so because one person might have faked it the assumption is everyone’s faking it? Not buying that argument I’m afraid.3 -
PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.0 -
kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.
so because one person might have faked it the assumption is everyone’s faking it? Not buying that argument I’m afraid.
I take it you don't have any enforcement experience?1 -
thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.0 -
PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.
so because one person might have faked it the assumption is everyone’s faking it? Not buying that argument I’m afraid.
I take it you don't have any enforcement experience?
It HAS been used in some legal defences but that's exactly when such claims are given expert evaluation.4 -
PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:kentaddick said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:thenewbie said:PrincessFiona said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I have to say I have felt suspicious of a number of celebs who have played the mental health angle and it doesn't always ring true to me.
Several MPs have cited MH issues to avoid trials and wasn't the Martin Bashir situation delayed because if it?
There is no treatment of anything if someone knows they don't have the condition just say to others they have to avoid things, get attention or whatever. The concerning thing is people are using it so they won't be challenged. And we might not know how much there has been a genuine increase in MH problems. Whilst many people appreciate it is better to respect a person as being genuine, not everyone will do there will have a negative affect on those genuine suffering
There should be more done to treat fraudulent/false claims in the right circumstances but that's a totally different conversation to not giving the care in the first place.
Definitely more done to determine fraudulent/false claims
Maybe there is confused over the words 'treatment' and 'treated and in how someone is 'treated' by others e.g. the press and public and being 'treated' by MH professionals?
Also, some people who are claiming to have MH conditions to avoid scrutiny and action don't need any professional consideration or treatment because they aren't actually suffering from anything or even pretending to, just saying they are.
so because one person might have faked it the assumption is everyone’s faking it? Not buying that argument I’m afraid.
I take it you don't have any enforcement experience?Still waiting on any evidence to back up your claim it’s on the rise, by the way.0 -
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Naomi Osaka is a very successful female tennis player on the court which has made her multi millions every year, from advertising and prize money in the last 3 or 4 years.
She is also an introverted person who suffers with anxiety and depression off the court.
A compromise should have been reached whereby her coach or a good friend could be at the press conference with her.
Total lack of understanding by the Grand slams and French open organisers.
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