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Old Shirt Questions

PopIcon
PopIcon Posts: 5,970
edited September 2020 in General Charlton
Perhaps someone could help answer these questions.

1. The white/away Ribeiro shirt from 92/93/94. It doesn't have the BTV scroll under the badge and has the trim around the neck like the following seasons Viglen shirt. While not ultra rare I'm not 100% sure if it is from 92/93 or 93/94. 

2. Purple/away Le Coq Sportif/Quaser keeper shirt from 97/98. Has Le Coq on the label and Quaser on the front. I have no idea how this came to be.

 
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Whatever happened to shirt tails.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,034
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    One of our better away tops.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    The keepers shirt because it has Quaser on it is 97/98. During the season either Quaser went bust or something went wrong with the contract as we were seeing all sorts of kits. For example the home socks changed  about 10 games from end of the season.  We all knew le coq were replacing them and they were providing the kit under Quaser name
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    edited August 2020
    JohnnyH2 said:
    The keepers shirt because it has Quaser on it is 97/98. During the season either Quaser went bust or something went wrong with the contract as we were seeing all sorts of kits. For example the home socks changed  about 10 games from end of the season.  We all knew le coq were replacing them and they were providing the kit under Quaser name
    That design was never worn until our first premier league season though when we'd fully transferred from Quaser to Le Coq, so seems strange for one to have been made with Quaser and Viglen logos unless a prototype. Though I posted a photo of prototypes for the '98 home and away shirts and that had the Le Coq logo. 
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    edited August 2020
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Viglen became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Talal said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    The keepers shirt because it has Quaser on it is 97/98. During the season either Quaser went bust or something went wrong with the contract as we were seeing all sorts of kits. For example the home socks changed  about 10 games from end of the season.  We all knew le coq were replacing them and they were providing the kit under Quaser name
    That design was never worn until our first premier league season though when we'd fully transferred from Quaser to Le Coq, so seems strange for one to have been made with Quaser and Viglen logos unless a prototype. Though I posted a photo of prototypes for the '98 home and away shirts and that had the Le Coq logo. 
    Your right it is strange. I went with 97/98 due to Quaser and them running out of kit. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    edited August 2020
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    There are some BTTV shirts with Viglen sponsor as I have one. Mine was advertised as match worn anglo-Italian cup (93-94 season) was this shirt only used in that competition? I can only find one "in game" image online of that shirt with Viglen. 
  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,408
    Talal said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    There are some BTTV shirts with Viglen sponsor as I have one. Mine was advertised as match worn anglo-Italian cup (93-94 season) was this shirt only used in that competition? I can only find one "in game" image online of that shirt with Viglen. 
    Off the top of my head that white shirt was first worn with Viglen on against Ancona away 9/11/93
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  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    Lewis Coaches said:
    Talal said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    There are some BTTV shirts with Viglen sponsor as I have one. Mine was advertised as match worn anglo-Italian cup (93-94 season) was this shirt only used in that competition? I can only find one "in game" image online of that shirt with Viglen. 
    Off the top of my head that white shirt was first worn with Viglen on against Ancona away 9/11/93
    Mine is the home bttv shirt with Viglen. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802
    So did we wear Le Coq at Wembley because Quaser had gone bust?

    also where’s those prototype pics @Talal

  • Dennis_inthelastmin
    Dennis_inthelastmin Posts: 262
    Apologies if the old memory is letting me down here, but - my recollection is that there was no sponsor on the club shirt at the start of the second season at Upton Park which was the back to the Valley season 92-93. The club started that season at Upton Park in the Admiral kit but minus The Woolwich sponsor, and then changed to the BTTV kit on 5/12/92 again with no sponsor, and ended that season with no sponsor. The next season 93-94 started with the Ribero kit (away kit illustrated at the start of the thread) again with no sponsor, but then as stated above during the season a sponsorship deal was achived with Viglen.

    As the club had gone so long without a sponsor, for a 2nd tier club, there was a feeling of novelty around at the time that we had a sponsor again and some fans took BTTV strips back into the club shop , after they were no longer available for sale having been replaced, and had the Viglen sponsor added. The club shop at that time allowed old strips to be taken back and transfers added, post purchase and not just at the time of purchase - a policy which changed in later years. This has meant that there are BTTV strips with Viglen on them although it isnt historically correct as Charlton never wore  Viglen on their shirts  in 92-93, and 92-93 was the only season the BTTV shirt was worn. My memory tells me Charlton were knocked out of the anglo-Italian cup in 92-93 whilst still playing at Upton Park (by Portsmouth ?) and never played an Anglo Italian fixture in the BTTV strip as it hadnt yet been introduced.    Did the reserves play  some fixtures in 93-94 in BTTV strips with Viglen on ?  
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802

    And why did the keepers kit from Wembley never see another game? 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    edited September 2020
    @Dennis_inthelastmin that's very interesting. I wasn't totally convinced that mine was genuine match worn but wanted it because I hadn't seen one with Viglen. Also the sponsor is not a transfer type one but material.
    This is the only photo I could find, the programme date is December 1993.

  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    edited September 2020
    Rothko said:
    So did we wear Le Coq at Wembley because Quaser had gone bust?

    also where’s those prototype pics @Talal

    I think that was more showcasing the new kit on the last day and especially in a final. 

  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    Rothko said:

    And why did the keepers kit from Wembley never see another game? 
    It looked a bit rushed, the badge had the shield around which followed the Quaser design of that season. I guess they just wanted a more solid design for the new season. Wonder if Sasa has the shirt, would be worth a fortune. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    If you bought the shirt without Viglen on it you could take it down and get it printed on for free after they became sponsor.

    Think the first match of the Viglen deal was on TV which was a total rarity then. 
  • Dennis_inthelastmin
    Dennis_inthelastmin Posts: 262
    Pulled out that programme v Portsmouth from 12/12/93 - the programme states re the photo "Colin Walsh - the man who scored that goal against Portsmouth a year ago" - I think that photo on the cover of that programme is from a reserve game at Park View Road. It certainly isnt a photo from the game on 5/12/92 given the Viglen logo on the shirt.  I had it in my mind that the season after BTTV the club did use the  BTTV shirts in reserve games, with the Viglen logo, I reckon this photo is evidence of that.  The Viglen deal was only a month old when this Portsmouth game was played on 12/12/93
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    edited August 2020
    Dennis_inthelastmin said:
    Pulled out that programme v Portsmouth from 12/12/93 - the programme states re the photo "Colin Walsh - the man who scored that goal against Portsmouth a year ago" - I think that photo on the cover of that programme is from a reserve game at Park View Road. It certainly isnt a photo from the game on 5/12/92 given the Viglen logo on the shirt.  I had it in my mind that the season after BTTV the club did use the  BTTV shirts in reserve games, with the Viglen logo, I reckon this photo is evidence of that.  The Viglen deal was only a month old when this Portsmouth game was played on 12/12/93
    Again very interesting and helpful thanks. So looks like my shirt is a reserve issue one then given the material sponsor (plus number on back). 
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  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,623
    se9addick said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    If you bought the shirt without Viglen on it you could take it down and get it printed on for free after they became sponsor.

    Think the first match of the Viglen deal was on TV which was a total rarity then. 
    Think it was Luton away?
  • 9goalswentpastperry
    9goalswentpastperry Posts: 1,109
    guinnessaddick said:
    se9addick said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    If you bought the shirt without Viglen on it you could take it down and get it printed on for free after they became sponsor.

    Think the first match of the Viglen deal was on TV which was a total rarity then. 
    Think it was Luton away?
    It was indeed Luton away. I recall that when  the players appeared with Viglen on the shirts it came as a surprise to those of us there as there hadn't been an announcement of a new sponsor.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Talal said:
    Rothko said:

    And why did the keepers kit from Wembley never see another game? 
    It looked a bit rushed, the badge had the shield around which followed the Quaser design of that season. I guess they just wanted a more solid design for the new season. Wonder if Sasa has the shirt, would be worth a fortune. 
    I asked Sasa about that shirt and if the museum could loan it off of him. His reply was, "Its in a lock up and I will try and find it when I am back in London"  
  • Dennis_inthelastmin
    Dennis_inthelastmin Posts: 262
    Such a small window of time that the photo of Colin Walsh could have been taken in has made me look again . If Charlton did use the BTTV shirts in season 93-94 with the Viglen logo in a first team game it could only have been at the Anglo-Italian home game on 16/11/93 v Ascoli  in which Colin Walsh did play- a 3-0 defeat which was at the Valley.    That photo can only be from this game, or a reserve game - its 50/50 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,485
    Dennis_inthelastmin said:
    Such a small window of time that the photo of Colin Walsh could have been taken in has made me look again . If Charlton did use the BTTV shirts in season 93-94 with the Viglen logo in a first team game it could only have been at the Anglo-Italian home game on 16/11/93 v Ascoli  in which Colin Walsh did play- a 3-0 defeat which was at the Valley.    That photo can only be from this game, or a reserve game - its 50/50 
    It was the Ascoli game the shirt was described as being match worn.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    The Back to the Valley Shirt was used from the 5/12/92 And for the remainder of that season, it had no sponsor. The shirts were also numbered 1-11

    The following season we got a new ribero shirt quite similar to the Back to The Valley Shirt but this one had loads of white specks on it. The shirts were numbered as squad numbers (,Balmer 1, Bolder 2) At the start of the season there was no sponsor.

    Viglen came on board as sponsors (thanks to the great work of the late @cholland) in the November.

    For some reason in 3 of the 4 Anglo Itallian games we wore the Back to The Valley Shirt (in the 2 home games the Viglen sponsor was added).  I Always thought this was because when playing the Italians (was not needed in the qualifiers against Millwall and Palace) squad numbers wernt allowed and as that season kit had squad numbers may be the club did not have 1-11 (although I'm sure they had for reserve games). And to confuse it even more we wore the  away 93/94 shirt away to Ancona and with the Vivien sponsor in blue numbered 1-11
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Talal said:
    Dennis_inthelastmin said:
    Such a small window of time that the photo of Colin Walsh could have been taken in has made me look again . If Charlton did use the BTTV shirts in season 93-94 with the Viglen logo in a first team game it could only have been at the Anglo-Italian home game on 16/11/93 v Ascoli  in which Colin Walsh did play- a 3-0 defeat which was at the Valley.    That photo can only be from this game, or a reserve game - its 50/50 
    It was the Ascoli game the shirt was described as being match worn.
    That shirt was worn for Ascoli and Pisa home games
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    se9addick said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    PopIcon said:
    Rothko said:
    The Ribero shirt is 93/94
    Did we have two versions of this shirt that season then?

    @Talal has the same shirt, but with Viglen on the front.
    Vivien became sponsors in the November so the original ones sold in the club shop had no sponsor on them 
    If you bought the shirt without Viglen on it you could take it down and get it printed on for free after they became sponsor.

    Think the first match of the Viglen deal was on TV which was a total rarity then. 
    No idea if the club charged for the sponsors to be added to an already purchased shirt. In those days the club shop even used to charge for use of debit cards so it's possible you were charged again
  • Dennis_inthelastmin
    Dennis_inthelastmin Posts: 262
    Really enjoyed this thread and looking back at what was a great time - prior to and just after the return to the Valley - the sense of building something from scratch with no real money for the second tier, the sense of connection with the club and players giving their all and really overachieving - a real sense of pride and purpose existed.  The supporters club satellite branches started to take off around this time too.
    The Leeds cup tie in January 1993 really illustrated the point -  a fantastic draw at Elland Road and to have a big big Prem team (at that time) at The Valley for the replay so soon after returning to the Valley was brilliant. 
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Worth noting that the Viglen sponsor was a light blue on the away shirt during one of the Anglo Italian Cup away games 

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