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  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Pyledriver shouldn't be that long imo. Like Worthily each way as Gosden's only runner. Think Russian Emperor is most likely winner, closely followed by English King. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    English king win 
    pyledriver ew 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,994
    Paddy Power have £5 free bet for the 14.25.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    English King.

    Think Russian Emperor will struggle to get the distance.
  • philcafc
    philcafc Posts: 3,883
    I've also done Pyledriver ew although i thing English King is the horse to beat.
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    Will Kameko get the trip? 
  • killer kish
    killer kish Posts: 2,019
    English King
    Russian Emperor
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    Bugger me. Unbelievable.
  • philcafc
    philcafc Posts: 3,883
    How can they let him get that far ahead. Ridiculous.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    Utter disgrace from the jockeys. Complete mockery.
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  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    Bugger me. Unbelievable.
    Hahahahaha that was a totally bollocks Derby from everyone except Emmet McNamara
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    Tricast 55977.83
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    guinnessaddick said:
    Tricast 55977.83

    Absolutely gutted. Only had it for fiver.
  • killer kish
    killer kish Posts: 2,019
    Joke of a race! 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Good result for Tom Marquand who got bumped off English King (unfairly?) in favour of Frankie.

    Marquand finishes second on 50/1 outsider. English King under Frankie finishes fifth.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    This is really good from Oisin Murphy:


  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    ValleyGary said:
    Utter disgrace from the jockeys. Complete mockery.

    That was my first thought, but seeing the crazy prices of the 1,2,3 makes you realize that the Derby going back to July had totally affected the normal pecking order of the classic.

    Did the other Jockeys just think Serpentine was O'Brien's pacemaker and would die at 10 furlongs ? After winning at the Curragh over that distance, a newspaper tipster said Russian Emperor would surge pass the Serpentine over the last two furlongs.

    I believe COVID-19 made for a smoke and mirrors Derby.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    Enable beaten 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Superb win for Ghaiyyath in the Eclipse beating the brilliant Enable who had 10 group 1 wins on its CV.
    A Front running win again.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    ValleyGary said:
    Enable beaten 
    Gosden was talking her down for ages before the race, so I'm not too surprised. That wasn't Enable's trip and to be honest I think connections will be happy enough with that reappearance when up against such a good front-runner like Ghaiyyath.

    Hopefully she's 100% for the Arc when that comes round. If she can get that third win, that would be amazing.
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    PaddyP17 said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Enable beaten 
    Gosden was talking her down for ages before the race, so I'm not too surprised. That wasn't Enable's trip and to be honest I think connections will be happy enough with that reappearance when up against such a good front-runner like Ghaiyyath.

    Hopefully she's 100% for the Arc when that comes round. If she can get that third win, that would be amazing.
    whatever .. she's won over £10 Million, so if she drops dead tomorrow Abdullah and Gosden have had a wonder horse on their hands
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Tomorrow, one thing that's caught my eye is Monarch of Egypt being entered over 1m4f in the Ballysax (5.30 Dundalk). He's a prohibitive 1/2 and actually is probably worth taking on (or at the very least worth reverse forecasting).

    I'm assuming Coolmore are doing this to get an American Pharoah offspring in the Kentucky Derby? Because I'd have thought MoE would be far better served going down in trip.

    Think Nobel Prize, his stablemate, is one to have a dart at in this race. A full brother to Highland Reel, he looked to have needed a run last time out and will likely appreciate a drop back in trip.

    That said, Monarch of Egypt could blow them all away as he looks easily the best horse in the race, but a reverse forecast could make sense (MoE needs to win or finish second to overtake Royal Dornoch in the European Road to the Kentucky Derby).
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,561
    .....reverse forecast with which other horse Paddy? Siamese?
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    meldrew66 said:
    .....reverse forecast with which other horse Paddy? Siamese?
    Think is suggesting a RFC with MoE and Nobel Prize
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    MoE was pants. Good call with Nobel Prize.
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    Gosden and O’Brien are the only two trainers with an entry for the King George on Saturday.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    edited July 2020
    stackitsteve said:
    Gosden and O’Brien are the only two trainers with an entry for the King George on Saturday.
    getting to be a closed shop .. rich owners with expensive horses go to the most successful trainers .. and Coolmore has the pick of the offspring of the top sires and dams .. except for K Abdullah .. I've seen talk of restricting trainers to a max 3 runners in any race .. that will lead to fields of 2/3/4 runners .. though there does need to be a rethink regarding Irish runners (O'Brien/Coolmore) .. it is becoming/has almost become an Irish monopoly in winning big UK races 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Lincsaddick said:
    stackitsteve said:
    Gosden and O’Brien are the only two trainers with an entry for the King George on Saturday.
    getting to be a closed shop .. rich owners with expensive horses go to the most successful trainers .. and Coolmore has the pick of the offspring of the top sires and dams .. except for K Abdullah .. I've seen talk of restricting trainers to a max 3 runners in any race .. that will lead to fields of 2/3/4 runners .. though there does need to be a rethink regarding Irish runners (O'Brien/Coolmore) .. it is becoming/has almost become an Irish monopoly in winning big UK races 
    Not sure that would work either unless there was a stipulation that the rule applied say at the beginning of the season because I'm sure all the Coolmore mob would do is switch horses to another of the O'Brien clan. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Addick Addict said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    stackitsteve said:
    Gosden and O’Brien are the only two trainers with an entry for the King George on Saturday.
    getting to be a closed shop .. rich owners with expensive horses go to the most successful trainers .. and Coolmore has the pick of the offspring of the top sires and dams .. except for K Abdullah .. I've seen talk of restricting trainers to a max 3 runners in any race .. that will lead to fields of 2/3/4 runners .. though there does need to be a rethink regarding Irish runners (O'Brien/Coolmore) .. it is becoming/has almost become an Irish monopoly in winning big UK races 
    Not sure that would work either unless there was a stipulation that the rule applied say at the beginning of the season because I'm sure all the Coolmore mob would do is switch horses to another of the O'Brien clan. 
    This is why I prefer the National Hunt stuff, despite a better nose for the Flat, especially with Gigginstown winding things down by and large. (Even then, they're nowhere near as big an operation as Coolmore/Ballydoyle.)

    The Magnier/Smith/Tabor colours tend to dominate the big races - and even the medium ones - and even though there are operations like Cheveley Park or JP McManus' in NH, they don't have the iron grip that Coolmore seem to.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    edited July 2020
    stackitsteve said:
    Gosden and O’Brien are the only two trainers with an entry for the King George on Saturday.
    3 runners in a £400,000 race .. 3rd place picks up over £43,000 .. ridiculous even given the pandemic problems 

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