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Cricket .. England in South Africa & Sri Lanka 2019/2020

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  • McBobbin said:
    Fantastic! Just saw the Lions score as well. Few good performances in there, most notably Lawrence who scored 190
    Yes saw the lions. What is the standard of the CA XI though? No names I recognise. 
    It's made up of mainly young pros with the odd exception including Jake Lehman who is Darren's son. That said, the likes of Bryant, Pope, Jewell and Doggett all featured in the BBL. 
  • "Bowlers must do better" is an easy thing to say after a high scoring series but I think it's at least in part to the nature of T20 and the modern game. It favours the batsmen and it makes bowling much harder.

    Winning the game with 5 balls to spare perhaps suggests we didnt bowl as badly as it first seemed.
    I do think it is hard with such small grounds especially but there really is no excuse for 9 wides - SA, by comparison, bowled just 3 and the difference, with the additional runs scored off the extra balls, could be the difference between winning and losing.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,822
    What a fantastic slug fest 
  • I think this has been a great tour for cricket, test matches ODI and T20 for all us armchair  viewers going to miss some great entertainment now it is over
  • McBobbin said:
    Fantastic! Just saw the Lions score as well. Few good performances in there, most notably Lawrence who scored 190
    Yes saw the lions. What is the standard of the CA XI though? No names I recognise. 
    It's made up of mainly young pros with the odd exception including Jake Lehman who is Darren's son. That said, the likes of Bryant, Pope, Jewell and Doggett all featured in the BBL. 
    Thanks. Hopefully good standard then.
  • "Bowlers must do better" is an easy thing to say after a high scoring series but I think it's at least in part to the nature of T20 and the modern game. It favours the batsmen and it makes bowling much harder.

    Winning the game with 5 balls to spare perhaps suggests we didnt bowl as badly as it first seemed.
    I do think it is hard with such small grounds especially but there really is no excuse for 9 wides - SA, by comparison, bowled just 3 and the difference, with the additional runs scored off the extra balls, could be the difference between winning and losing.
    Agree there is no excuse for 9 wides. England certainly didnt get it right as much as we would expect with the ball but a wide in T20 is not the same as a traditional wide. It's not a ball aimed at the stumps that has gone wayward. It's a ball aimed right at that wide line to try and stretch a player that is maybe an inch off. Not excusing it obviously but if you go for a wide Yorker tactic it's a risk you run.

    Altitude was also a massive factor on this ground. Everything went for 6.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited February 2020
    To be fair, when you are being hit all over the place you may try to bowl it as wide as you can get away with and get that wrong sometimes with less margin for error. Especially if you are getting hit when you bowl it anywhere else!
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    terrific 20/20 mini series .. these games have shown the attraction of 1 day, especially 20/20 games .. big crowds with lots of side shows, all action, tight finishes, great action, pity about the poor bowlers though .. like it or not, for the later part of the 21st century, this is the future for cricket
  • terrific 20/20 mini series .. these games have shown the attraction of 1 day, especially 20/20 games .. big crowds with lots of side shows, all action, tight finishes, great action, pity about the poor bowlers though .. like it or not, for the later part of the 21st century, this is the future for cricket
    The test series was pretty good too
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    terrific 20/20 mini series .. these games have shown the attraction of 1 day, especially 20/20 games .. big crowds with lots of side shows, all action, tight finishes, great action, pity about the poor bowlers though .. like it or not, for the later part of the 21st century, this is the future for cricket
    The test series was pretty good too
    It’s a shame South Africa are the only winter test nation in a similar time zone to us. Enjoyed watching test cricket in the middle of the day again.
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  • terrific 20/20 mini series .. these games have shown the attraction of 1 day, especially 20/20 games .. big crowds with lots of side shows, all action, tight finishes, great action, pity about the poor bowlers though .. like it or not, for the later part of the 21st century, this is the future for cricket
    This happened to be a really good series, with all 3 games producing lots of runs and exciting finishes.

    T20 isn't always like that though, often one side struggles and the game becomes one sided.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    You have to think that with the batters we have, England will win most games batting second. To be fair, the first T20 game was a brilliant lesson as they had virtually won the game and Morgan didn't need to go for that six when he did.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,616
    You have to think that with the batters we have, England will win most games batting second. To be fair, the first T20 game was a brilliant lesson as they had virtually won the game and Morgan didn't need to go for that six when he did.
    I thought Roy was rather reckless right at the start. Hit 1 six & then just threw his bat at the next delivery. It was only the 2nd over fgs.

    Also would like to see Butler further down.....maybe at 5 or 6.
  • Foakes is by far the better wicketkeeper and probably a better red ball batsman than Buttler now.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,833
    WTF !!!
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    at least we should get a clear result to the question .. can Buttler keep to spinners ?
    Problem is that Butty is one of the 'chaps', he's been in the elite squads for a long time. Foakes is probably the better keeper, but getting dropped from the 'big salary squad' seems more difficult than getting included in the first place  
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    edited February 2020
    England lions match didnt end as well we it might have. After posting 546 with Tons from Sibley Jennings and Lawrence CA XI made 813-8 declared with Lehmann and Edwards making big tons.

    When part timers Jennings and Lawrence bowl more than 41 overs between them you know its not been a great day in the field. There must have been injuries as Gregory only bowled 4 overs and Gleeson 9. 

    The match ended in a draw with England 116-3 in their second innings.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MOTM Lawrence, 190 and 3 wickets. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,330
    Foakes is considered by many to be a better wicket keeper than Buttler.  But Buttler seems to have been assured of his place behind the stumps for at least the first test against Sri Lanka. 

    I am sure that there are lots of people who agree that Foakes is a better keeper, but what considerations do you think Silverwood made when coming to that conclusion?  
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  • AshBurton
    AshBurton Posts: 1,142
    England lions match didnt end as well we it might have. After posting 546 with Tons from Sibley Jennings and Lawrence CA XI made 813-8 declared with Lehmann and Edwards making big tons.

    When part timers Jennings and Lawrence bowl more than 41 overs between them you know its not been a great day in the field. There must have been injuries as Gregory only bowled 4 overs and Gleeson 9. 

    The match ended in a draw with England 116-3 in their second innings.
    It didn’t end as well as it could have done, but it wasn’t as bad as your scores Canters. England made 613-8 declared and CA were all out for 546. Giving away over 800 would certainly be a major cause of concern for the future of our bowling attack!
  • AshBurton said:
    England lions match didnt end as well we it might have. After posting 546 with Tons from Sibley Jennings and Lawrence CA XI made 813-8 declared with Lehmann and Edwards making big tons.

    When part timers Jennings and Lawrence bowl more than 41 overs between them you know its not been a great day in the field. There must have been injuries as Gregory only bowled 4 overs and Gleeson 9. 

    The match ended in a draw with England 116-3 in their second innings.
    It didn’t end as well as it could have done, but it wasn’t as bad as your scores Canters. England made 613-8 declared and CA were all out for 546. Giving away over 800 would certainly be a major cause of concern for the future of our bowling attack!
    My apologies. I got myself in a right muddle there. Must be getting old. I'm 25 in a month and a day....
  • AshBurton said:
    England lions match didnt end as well we it might have. After posting 546 with Tons from Sibley Jennings and Lawrence CA XI made 813-8 declared with Lehmann and Edwards making big tons.

    When part timers Jennings and Lawrence bowl more than 41 overs between them you know its not been a great day in the field. There must have been injuries as Gregory only bowled 4 overs and Gleeson 9. 

    The match ended in a draw with England 116-3 in their second innings.
    It didn’t end as well as it could have done, but it wasn’t as bad as your scores Canters. England made 613-8 declared and CA were all out for 546. Giving away over 800 would certainly be a major cause of concern for the future of our bowling attack!
    Canters is Diane Abbott
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Maybe the priority is winning the T20 world cup and a focus on Butler is the best bet this year because of that.
  • Its worse because before I edited it i had us on 1116-3 in the final innings. Would have been some knock that!

    Good thing i dont deal with numbers and analysis for a living eh?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,330
    AshBurton said:
    England lions match didnt end as well we it might have. After posting 546 with Tons from Sibley Jennings and Lawrence CA XI made 813-8 declared with Lehmann and Edwards making big tons.

    When part timers Jennings and Lawrence bowl more than 41 overs between them you know its not been a great day in the field. There must have been injuries as Gregory only bowled 4 overs and Gleeson 9. 

    The match ended in a draw with England 116-3 in their second innings.
    It didn’t end as well as it could have done, but it wasn’t as bad as your scores Canters. England made 613-8 declared and CA were all out for 546. Giving away over 800 would certainly be a major cause of concern for the future of our bowling attack!
    My apologies. I got myself in a right muddle there. Must be getting old. I'm 25 in a month and a day....
    Yeah, you say that...
  • AshBurton
    AshBurton Posts: 1,142
    Its worse because before I edited it i had us on 1116-3 in the final innings. Would have been some knock that!

    Good thing i dont deal with numbers and analysis for a living eh?
    That thought did cross my mind! 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Its worse because before I edited it i had us on 1116-3 in the final innings. Would have been some knock that!

    Good thing i dont deal with numbers and analysis for a living eh?
    you should be Chancellor of the Exchequer, another expert in plucking fictional figures outta the sky
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,833
    Its worse because before I edited it i had us on 1116-3 in the final innings. Would have been some knock that!

    Good thing i dont deal with numbers and analysis for a living eh?
    that's the excel generation for you....
  • MrOneLung said:
    Its worse because before I edited it i had us on 1116-3 in the final innings. Would have been some knock that!

    Good thing i dont deal with numbers and analysis for a living eh?
    that's the excel generation for you....
    Excel? Pah. Amateur program. I do all my work in SAS or Data studio