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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    In February, if players don't break down it does look like we will have options again. Even more so with additions. Was it possible to arrange Fulham game for later or were our hands tied? It doesn't make sense if they weren't.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,382
    Stefco said:
    Covered End said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go
    It does tbf. He says no one expected him to do what he did.
    Not no one expected Chelsea to recall him.
    What he means is, no-one expected Conor to be as successful with us as he was.
    Not that Conor somehow navigated his way out.

    That's how I read it anyway.
    That's exactly how I read it. 

    Don't quite agree that no-one expected him to do so well. He was Chelsea youth player of the year, and they're very strong in the youth department.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    When he signed for us I had a look at a Chelsea forum and to a man they didn't think he would make it with them. He still hasn't of course, but they are far more interested.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,693
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    In February, if players don't break down it does look like we will have options again. Even more so with additions. Was it possible to arrange Fulham game for later or were our hands tied? It doesn't make sense if they weren't.
    We agreed a date of the 29th with Fulham & The EFL. WE then changed it to the 22nd. Fulham mention this on their website, saying that as the home team we have the right to alter the date from that was already agreed.

    Make of that what you will.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,502
    I'm not sure his development is entirely down to us though. He has a natural talent that was evident even in his first substitute appearance and also a desire to work hard that is seemingly just how he is. No doubt Bowyer etc have helped to some degree but I think he would've performed well at any club where he was getting games. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    We can't take all the credit - clearly it is mostly down to his ability, but I am sure he has benefited from playing under Bowyer.
  • bertpalmer
    bertpalmer Posts: 1,774
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    edited January 2020
    I think Sage has proven to be a reliable source of info and he suggested that isn't the case.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,495
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    He was absolutely gutted to be leaving and at the farewells he shed a tear or two......make of that what you will.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    cantersaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
    Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
    Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #

    maybe @Sage will know

    They had the vast majority of the treatment at their parent clubs. We know Cullen is a generally fit player anyway from last season, but I would be surprised if he’s in the squad for Fulham, although there could be a chance. It’s surely best to give him two weeks full training with the squad ready for Barnsley at home. 

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I think Sage has proven to be a reliable source of info and he suggest that isn't the case.
    Said in the other thread, Conor didn’t want to leave, he had no choice, he’s a Chelsea player so does as he’s told.

    The whole no one expected him to do what he did was only about how good he become and how important he turned out to be for us. Conor was signed in the hope he could do well, after the first couple of training sessions after he got told and learnt the pace, they quickly saw how quality he is. Why people are making this more than it is, I don’t know. It’s there for all to see.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    Talal said:
    I'm not sure his development is entirely down to us though. He has a natural talent that was evident even in his first substitute appearance and also a desire to work hard that is seemingly just how he is. No doubt Bowyer etc have helped to some degree but I think he would've performed well at any club where he was getting games. 
    One’s development is just as much to do with the environment they’re in as it is their quality and attitude. Not saying he wouldn’t have done well elsewhere, but we allowed him to develop as quickly and successfully as he did due to the environment created at the club by Bowyer, the staff, and players.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,506
    SoundAsa£ said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    He was absolutely gutted to be leaving and at the farewells he shed a tear or two......make of that what you will.
    Poor bastard knew he was having to live in Swansea for the next 5 months.......
  • bertpalmer
    bertpalmer Posts: 1,774
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,040
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
  • bertpalmer
    bertpalmer Posts: 1,774
    edited January 2020
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.


    exactly
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,861
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    In Gallagher's case that wouldn't have been the best career move!
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    Sage said:
    cantersaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Sounds to me like Willams and JFC are good to start. Ozzy on the bench. Easing Aneke back through the u23s. Cullen on the bench for midweek.
    Id be surprised if Cullen was involved as early as midweek
    Hasn't he been training with West Ham for a couple of weeks? As Field did with West Brom when he broke down again. Sure I read that Cullen did the same somewhere? #

    maybe @Sage will know

    They had the vast majority of the treatment at their parent clubs. We know Cullen is a generally fit player anyway from last season, but I would be surprised if he’s in the squad for Fulham, although there could be a chance. It’s surely best to give him two weeks full training with the squad ready for Barnsley at home. 
    Bowyer seems to believe he might be involved this weekend. So long as it’s not putting him at risk, that’s a huge boost for us.

    https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-midfielder-josh-cullen-is-a-machine-and-could-return-at-preston-north-end/
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Of course but Chelsea recalled him so they have a say in that

    We could have offered Chelsea more than what Swansea did in which case Id agree with you but we didnt so the player couldnt choose between us and them

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  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    Sage in a normal situation you are 100% correct re players being given time to get to match fitness but we are no in a normal situation ----- one win in months ----games passing by----- no new blood in ---- it is getting to the stage of risking the player breaking down or loosing /religation. 

    In the long run we need to have a hard look at why this horrific injury situation happened ---structure---- skill sets---- dosh etc.It's not just bad luck
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    edited January 2020
    Maybe there is a bit of bad luck and a bit of desperation. Williams is injury prone, Taylor got injured away from the club, Cullen's looked a standard unavoidable injury. Hamed and Kayel were last minute punts with question marks over their fitness. Field again looked an unavoidable one. Not sure about Leko, Aneke and Oztumer tbh. Maybe the one that stands out that whilst it maybe couldn't have been prevented, it might have been mitigated by taking him off earlier was Bonne. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,495
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose.
    Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
    He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
    As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Maybe there is a bit of bad luck and a bit of desperation. Williams is injury prone, Taylor got injured away from the club, Cullen's looked a standard unavoidable injury. Hamed and Kayel were last minute punts with question marks over their fitness. Field again looked an unavoidable one. Not sure about Leko, Aneke and Oztumer tbh. Maybe the one that stands out that whilst it maybe couldn't have been prevented, it might have been mitigated by taking him off earlier was Bonne. 
    And Oztumer (v Sheff Weds). He then gave away a late penalty soon after being injured, because he couldn't run properly.


  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,495
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Of course but Chelsea recalled him so they have a say in that

    We could have offered Chelsea more than what Swansea did in which case Id agree with you but we didnt so the player couldnt choose between us and them
    I was talking with someone an hour or two ago (reliable I may add), who said that we were paying a third of his wages.....Chelsea the rest.
    Swansea have agreed to pay the full amount, now as to whether we weren’t prepared to match Swansea I have no idea but It seems we weren’t even given that option, given that Bowyer said it came as a shock completely out of the blue.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose.
    Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
    He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
    As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
    Absolutely, SoundAs.

    If Chelsea cancel his loan arrangement, how can Gallagher possibly stay at Charlton?


  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,060
    edited January 2020
    SoundAsa£ said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Of course but Chelsea recalled him so they have a say in that

    We could have offered Chelsea more than what Swansea did in which case Id agree with you but we didnt so the player couldnt choose between us and them
    I was talking with someone an hour or two ago (reliable I may add), who said that we were paying a third of his wages.....Chelsea the rest.
    Swansea have agreed to pay the full amount, now as to whether we weren’t prepared to match Swansea I have no idea but It seems we weren’t even given that option, given that Bowyer said it came as a shock completely out of the blue.
    But I’m sure if Chelsea said “someone else is willing to pay an extra £350K for the season” we would have said “we’ll match it”.

    If it was just about money then I’m sure Chelsea would have been happy to start a bidding war between Charlton & West Brom. They didn’t, which suggests it’s not.  
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,040
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose.
    Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
    He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
    As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
    Of course I don't. I simply answered the question with a yes or no.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,040
    Oggy Red said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose.
    Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
    He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
    As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
    Absolutely, SoundAs.

    If Chelsea cancel his loan arrangement, how can Gallagher possibly stay at Charlton?


    He couldn't.
    The question was "do players have a say in where they want to go on loan?"

    So, on a yes/no basis, I said yes.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    Covered End said:
    Oggy Red said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Covered End said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    bertpalmer said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SotonAddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Bowyer seems to imply there that it was Conor who wanted to go

    Really? I didn't read it like that at all.
    Me neither: "He's Chelsea's player"

    i.e. They can choose to do what they want with him
    I think if Conor had wanted to stay he would of stayed 
    How?
    Do players not have a say in where they want to go on loan???
    Yes and they could refuse.
    Do you seriously think he would set up an antagonist situation with his club.....no way Jose.
    Let’s not forget he’s also only 19 and certainly wouldn’t have the balls at this stage of his career to defy the Chelsea hierarchy.
    He may well have mentioned he wanted to stay put, but would have little option other than to do as they say.
    As yet, we still don’t know the reason why they took this action......I fancy it will come out eventually.
    Absolutely, SoundAs.

    If Chelsea cancel his loan arrangement, how can Gallagher possibly stay at Charlton?


    He couldn't.
    The question was "do players have a say in where they want to go on loan?"

    So, on a yes/no basis, I said yes.
    Fair enough.

    Though I'm sure players get a choice of where to be loaned out to.
    But don't get a say if they are suddenly recalled.


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