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Danny Baker
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if not a rabid 'anti royalist', I consider the whole notion of 'Royals and Highnesses' and all the other associated tosh, to be ridiculous relics from the 16th Century .. BUT, I agree totally with your sentiments about common (or 'royal' lol) politeness and good mannersSoundAsa£ said:
Nobody, be they Royals or Joe Public, deserve to be ridiculed in such a spiteful thoughtless fashion.24 Red said:Very ill-judged by DB of course, but the BBC's reaction is predictably over the top. They are so far up the arse of the royal family.
He should know better.
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That’s danny bakers problem, he’s a broadcaster, if he was a leader of a political party and a magic grandpa everyone would be defending the racist picture. Silly Danny.LenGlover said:
Yes Jeremy Corbyn often gets interviewedGoonerhater said:"the BBC platforms racist bigots every week" what utter bollox
Sorry anti semitism isn't racism is it?
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Not in any way, shape or form, unless you think "don't know" is any kind of answer in this context. You just repeated that you dislike him for other reasons, so are happy he has been sacked. You have, in time honoured fashion, dodged the question.Lincsaddick said:
you'll take me up ? .. I know not if Baker is a racist .. what I believe is that he is a jumped up twerp who thinks he's funny and amusing, talents that many on here also attribute to him. They are of course entitled to their view.Algarveaddick said:@Lincsaddick - I will take you up on your LOL on my post. Are you suggesting that Danny Baker is a racist, and that he tweeted that picture as a demonstration of that racism?
His tweet whether or not racist or merely intended just as a joke at the expense of the royal family is a good example of his arrogance bordering on idiocy.
I think he's as funny as a kick in the bollocks (if I were on the receiving end) and as amusing as a wet day in Dungeness, i.e. I cannot stand sight nor sound of the geezer .. does that answer your query adequately ?
A few of the "hang 'em, flog 'em, it's PC gone mad" types suddenly gone all soft and fluffy because they don't like the bloke involved.4 -
pedantic arguing as usual from you .. I have no idea of Baker's state of mind re 'racism' and neither do you have any idea .. so do me a favour and bore off ..
Not in any way, shape or form, unless you think "don't know" is any kind of answer in this context. You just repeated that you dislike him for other reasons, so are happy he has been sacked. You have, in time honoured fashion, dodged the question.
you'll take me up ? .. I know not if Baker is a racist .. what I believe is that he is a jumped up twerp who thinks he's funny and amusing, talents that many on here also attribute to him. They are of course entitled to their view.Algarveaddick said:@Lincsaddick - I will take you up on your LOL on my post. Are you suggesting that Danny Baker is a racist, and that he tweeted that picture as a demonstration of that racism?
His tweet whether or not racist or merely intended just as a joke at the expense of the royal family is a good example of his arrogance bordering on idiocy.
I think he's as funny as a kick in the bollocks (if I were on the receiving end) and as amusing as a wet day in Dungeness, i.e. I cannot stand sight nor sound of the geezer .. does that answer your query adequately ?
A few of the "hang 'em, flog 'em, it's PC gone mad" types suddenly gone all soft and fluffy because they don't like the bloke involved.
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So what Baker did isn't racist but Nigel Farage is ? FFS some of u Red Wedge are deluded4
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https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/09/racism-like-danny-bakers-tweet-is-usually-explained-away-im-glad-the-bbc-fired-him-9465905/
Strong stuff from this lady. Lets herself down though by referring to him as a DJ on 5Live which is a music free news and sport station.0 -
The reaction to this truly scares me.
Have any of you who condemn him actually listen to his show? Wall to wall whimsy, absurdity and silliness. He has a strange obsession with chimps and finds the idea of them doing certain things hilarious. He is also well known for having digs at the aristocracy, with their own particular brand of absurdism; which was clearly his intent here.
Maybe he was half-cut. He was certainly naive, given the modern equivalent of the Witchfinder General which exists these days in the form of thousands of super-woke social justice warriors who comb social media twenty four hours a day looking for something to be offended about. They can then go to bed feeling very pleased with themselves for having destroyed someone's life because they, the self-appointed judge, jury and executioner, somehow has a superpower that allows them to not just infer, but actually, indisputably know what others' motivations are for any particular action. They should all work for the Police really (or maybe they don't seems as it appears that the Police now work for them).
I find it speaks volumes that, when they see a picture of a chimp in that context, they think of black people. I didn't, and neither did DB. But that matters not; they KNOW he is guilty and therefore his life must be destroyed without pause for thought or any kind of due process. BURN THE WITCH!
It may be good at this point to remind everyone of Hanlon's Razor: 'Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity'; but wisdom and common sense have been banished in the age of the new puritans of the church of political correctness. We are now in some kind of new McCarthy-ite age where the hunt for non-existent Communists has been replaced by the hunt for non-existent racists.
If he were being racist, then he would deserves all he gets. Why is it that we a manslaughter charge in this country? It is because an offence of murder depends upon intent. But, this matters not to the SJWs. They are creating their own little Orwellian society where big brother knows your thoughts better than you do and will then serve their 'justice' on a whim. If the SJWs decide you are guilty of bad faith, then you are - because they are, apparently, infallible. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail; if you see racism everywhere, then everyone will be judged a racist.
Let me put something out here. Imagine that one of these SJWs sees our club badge and decides that it has connotations of the crusades and therefore we are all racists. Would you agree to change the badge immediately and apologise or would you tell them to go fuck themselves? This is the divide that has been created in our country; effectively between the former and the latter (I am in the latter camp, as you've probably surmised). Are you happy with our new, un-appointed, infallible judiciary? Because I'm not - we are firmly on the road to 'thought crimes' and that scares the shit out of me.
Sometimes, I fucking hate what this country has become. I hate the BBC for being so spineless and judgemental in the face of the modern day Mary Whitehouse brigade; who I wish would kindly go and exterminate themselves for the good of humanity. They do way more harm than good.
So, as the cloak of censorship and the grip of the thought police tightens further over this country; I bet the great and virtuous will be surprised when the politics of this country lurches further to the right in reaction to their Stalinist approach and their sanctimonious, humourless worldview. But then again, they never were a bright bunch - just the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Sorry, rant over. But this is an embodiment of the way that society is going and it will create a backlash where actual racists will be able to thrive, thanks to the SJWs and their apologists.16 -
TellyTubby said:A few people on this thread who are sooo quick to label people as racist for having a different view on the EU are falling over themselves to jump to Bakers defence. Have a word with yourselves.
I'm not saying that he is a racist, but what on earth was he thinking of? I'm not a royalist (far from it) or offended but I understand why he had to go.
No I'm not a Baker fan, but hope that I would have the same view if I was.
Indeed Telly town clocks some of them...
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But comparing black and mixed heritage people to monkeys is a well established trope of racists.bigstemarra said:The reaction to this truly scares me.
Have any of you who condemn him actually listen to his show? Wall to wall whimsy, absurdity and silliness. He has a strange obsession with chimps and finds the idea of them doing certain things hilarious. He is also well known for having digs at the aristocracy, with their own particular brand of absurdism; which was clearly his intent here.
Maybe he was half-cut. He was certainly naive, given the modern equivalent of the Witchfinder General which exists these days in the form of thousands of super-woke social justice warriors who comb social media twenty four hours a day looking for something to be offended about. They can then go to bed feeling very pleased with themselves for having destroyed someone's life because they, the self-appointed judge, jury and executioner, somehow has a superpower that allows them to not just infer, but actually, indisputably know what others' motivations are for any particular action. They should all work for the Police really (or maybe they don't seems as it appears that the Police now work for them).
I find it speaks volumes that, when they see a picture of a chimp in that context, they think of black people. I didn't, and neither did DB. But that matters not; they KNOW he is guilty and therefore his life must be destroyed without pause for thought or any kind of due process. BURN THE WITCH!
It may be good at this point to remind everyone of Hanlon's Razor: 'Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity'; but wisdom and common sense have been banished in the age of the new puritans of the church of political correctness. We are now in some kind of new McCarthy-ite age where the hunt for non-existent Communists has been replaced by the hunt for non-existent racists.
If he were being racist, then he would deserves all he gets. Why is it that we a manslaughter charge in this country? It is because an offence of murder depends upon intent. But, this matters not to the SJWs. They are creating their own little Orwellian society where big brother knows your thoughts better than you do and will then serve their 'justice' on a whim. If the SJWs decide you are guilty of bad faith, then you are - because they are, apparently, infallible. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail; if you see racism everywhere, then everyone will be judged a racist.
Let me put something out here. Imagine that one of these SJWs sees our club badge and decides that it has connotations of the crusades and therefore we are all racists. Would you agree to change the badge immediately and apologise or would you tell them to go fuck themselves? This is the divide that has been created in our country; effectively between the former and the latter (I am in the latter camp, as you've probably surmised). Are you happy with our new, un-appointed, infallible judiciary? Because I'm not - we are firmly on the road to 'thought crimes' and that scares the shit out of me.
Sometimes, I fucking hate what this country has become. I hate the BBC for being so spineless and judgemental in the face of the modern day Mary Whitehouse brigade; who I wish would kindly go and exterminate themselves for the good of humanity. They do way more harm than good.
So, as the cloak of censorship and the grip of the thought police tightens further over this country; I bet the great and virtuous will be surprised when the politics of this country lurches further to the right in reaction to their Stalinist approach and their sanctimonious, humourless worldview. But then again, they never were a bright bunch - just the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Sorry, rant over. But this is an embodiment of the way that society is going and it will create a backlash where actual racists will be able to thrive, thanks to the SJWs and their apologists.
As a keen football supporter he would have heard the monkey noises aimed at black players and seen the bananas thrown at them.
He has no excuse. Nor do you in defending him.9 -
I think people are wrapped up in their dislike of Baker here.
You're assuming racism because you don't like him. He isn't racist. It wasn't racism. It wasn't intended to cause offence.
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I do not think Baker is the slightest bit racist. I don't like him but to be fair you could have hardly avoided him over the last 40 years if you share his interests in music, football and trivia. I cannot recall him even make a tiny generalisation to a race or nationality like many did 30+ years ago like Germans nicking the sunbeds or Italians being bad drivers etc. I know he is fan of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and Only Fools and these programs contain some shocking racist pieces and some casual ones too. He does not or has ever himself done the same on TV or radio or in print as far as I know. If he had someone would have found it by now.
However the post WAS racist intentionally or otherwise. To say if you associate monkeys with people of colour then you are the racist is utter rubbish. Our society does it through the idiots who make noises to black footballers etc. It is a so high profile problem that you'd have to have been living like a hermit for years to not be aware. Anyone of even limited intelligence knows of this kind of disgusting behaviour.
It was not Bakers intention to be racist, I 100% believe that but it was so utterly stupid to not realise that it would be seen a racist. Some of the apologists for him have been beyond belief, his supposed fascination with monkeys dressed as humans is a really weak argument. Whether he should have been sacked for it I'm not sure but personally I'm glad he's off the airways, for now at least. I don't see how the BBC had any option. Remember Carol Thatcher on The One Show? They set a precedent with her after she described Jo-Wilfried Tsonga as a cuddly golliwog, and that was off air in the Green Room.7 -
Worth a listen to the LBC interview where Baker accepts he should get the sack, and doesn't have a problem with that, he admits he made a terrible mistake, and has to pay the price0
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Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,
A lift engineer at work whose black said today he cant understand what all the fuss is about, if you look to be offended you will find something.0 -
Whether a fan or not "bigot" is about as far from an accurate description of James O'Brien as you can get. He's the polar oppositeChippycafc said:Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,3 -
The post simply was not racist. Racism is about believing you or someone else is superior based upon race.Riviera said:I do not think Baker is the slightest bit racist. I don't like him but to be fair you could have hardly avoided him over the last 40 years if you share his interests in music, football and trivia. I cannot recall him even make a tiny generalisation to a race or nationality like many did 30+ years ago like Germans nicking the sunbeds or Italians being bad drivers etc. I know he is fan of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and Only Fools and these programs contain some shocking racist pieces and some casual ones too. He does not or has ever himself done the same on TV or radio or in print as far as I know. If he had someone would have found it by now.
However the post WAS racist intentionally or otherwise. To say if you associate monkeys with people of colour then you are the racist is utter rubbish. Our society does it through the idiots who make noises to black footballers etc. It is a so high profile problem that you'd have to have been living like a hermit for years to not be aware. Anyone of even limited intelligence knows of this kind of disgusting behaviour.
It was not Bakers intention to be racist, I 100% believe that but it was so utterly stupid to not realise that it would be seen a racist. Some of the apologists for him have been beyond belief, his supposed fascination with monkeys dressed as humans is a really weak argument. Whether he should have been sacked for it I'm not sure but personally I'm glad he's off the airways, for now at least. I don't see how the BBC had any option. Remember Carol Thatcher on The One Show? They set a precedent with her after she described Jo-Wilfried Tsonga as a cuddly golliwog, and that was off air in the Green Room.
The picture was taking the piss out of posh people... Last time I checked posh wasn't a race.
My statement was that if you associated a chimp with a person of colour then you are racist.
The football 'fans' throwing bananas and making monkey noises are associating people of colour with chimps/monkeys... They are racist.
If you then continue to associate those things I have to say, I believe that makes you racist.
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@bigstemarra, thank-you for familiarising me with the 'Dunning - Kruger effect.'
It encapsulates the current modernity perfectly.2 -
The logical gymnastics in this post are Olympic level.Dazzler21 said:
The post simply was not racist. Racism is about believing you or someone else is superior based upon race.Riviera said:I do not think Baker is the slightest bit racist. I don't like him but to be fair you could have hardly avoided him over the last 40 years if you share his interests in music, football and trivia. I cannot recall him even make a tiny generalisation to a race or nationality like many did 30+ years ago like Germans nicking the sunbeds or Italians being bad drivers etc. I know he is fan of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and Only Fools and these programs contain some shocking racist pieces and some casual ones too. He does not or has ever himself done the same on TV or radio or in print as far as I know. If he had someone would have found it by now.
However the post WAS racist intentionally or otherwise. To say if you associate monkeys with people of colour then you are the racist is utter rubbish. Our society does it through the idiots who make noises to black footballers etc. It is a so high profile problem that you'd have to have been living like a hermit for years to not be aware. Anyone of even limited intelligence knows of this kind of disgusting behaviour.
It was not Bakers intention to be racist, I 100% believe that but it was so utterly stupid to not realise that it would be seen a racist. Some of the apologists for him have been beyond belief, his supposed fascination with monkeys dressed as humans is a really weak argument. Whether he should have been sacked for it I'm not sure but personally I'm glad he's off the airways, for now at least. I don't see how the BBC had any option. Remember Carol Thatcher on The One Show? They set a precedent with her after she described Jo-Wilfried Tsonga as a cuddly golliwog, and that was off air in the Green Room.
The picture was taking the piss out of posh people... Last time I checked posh wasn't a race.
My statement was that if you associated a chimp with a person of colour then you are racist.
The football 'fans' throwing bananas and making monkey noises are associating people of colour with chimps/monkeys... They are racist.
If you then continue to associate those things I have to say, I believe that makes you racist.1 -
You're quite right, he is a social justice warrior. He is often right but also regularly wrong.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Whether a fan or not "bigot" is about as far from an accurate description of James O'Brien as you can get. He's the polar oppositeChippycafc said:Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,0 -
Social Justice Warrior, ffs, have a word with yourselfDazzler21 said:
You're quite right, he is a social justice warrior. He is often right but also regularly wrong.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Whether a fan or not "bigot" is about as far from an accurate description of James O'Brien as you can get. He's the polar oppositeChippycafc said:Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,2 -
He is go and ring his show and have a different view to his, and see how tolerant he is to your view, if you get a chance to say it. He thinks his view is gospel and that is the polar opposite to most people.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Whether a fan or not "bigot" is about as far from an accurate description of James O'Brien as you can get. He's the polar oppositeChippycafc said:Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,
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“Go and ring his show, where he’ll allow you to share your view”Chippycafc said:
He is go and ring his show and have a different view to his, and see how tolerant he is to your view, if you get a chance to say it. He thinks his view is gospel and that is the polar opposite to most people.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Whether a fan or not "bigot" is about as far from an accurate description of James O'Brien as you can get. He's the polar oppositeChippycafc said:Currently top topic on Eddie Mair show on LBC. Played the interview on O Bigots show,
wow, how intolerant.
not his fault most people who don’t share his views have the debating skills of a withered lemon.8 -
Bigot is an interesting slur coming from a poster known for anti-Irish and anti-immigrant posts, and has abused Lifers living abroad as 'traitors' or attacked their non-British spouses/families.7
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I think someone's not at home to Mr Dictionary.3
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Don't dislike Baker at all. Listened to him for donkeys years and saw him last year.Dazzler21 said:I think people are wrapped up in their dislike of Baker here.
You're assuming racism because you don't like him. He isn't racist. It wasn't racism. It wasn't intended to cause offence.
I don't think he's a racist either.
But this was wrong and he f**** up.
He does have a habit of going too far. Think he'll struggle to come back from this.
Doubt he's too bothered. He loves the States and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ups sticks and heads off over there in the not too distant future.1 -
Just to confirm,
Social Justice Warrior was originally a positive term... It was only bellends on twitter that changed it in to a term to attack individuals with. I exist on twitter but am not a regular user and as such don't align myself to their understanding.
Maybe I should use 'Progressive' but that insinuates that I don't believe at some level he does it for his own gain... His radio show massively benefits from him taking his progressive stance and as such he fits what the term was originally coined for.
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You have my sympathy, Goonerhater. It's easy to laugh at a mistake like that, because it looks daft. But it's not your fault. It's obviously an auto-correct glitch that gets in the way, when someone types something and the system thinks you mean something else. It takes the context and comes up with something that you didn't type at all, and changes the letters round so it makes it look like you've types "Garage". And it's highly unlikely that you did that.Goonerhater said:So what Baker did isn't racist but Nigel Garage is ? FFS some of u Red Wedge are deluded
Auto-correct is clever, but it's not quite clever enough. So you have probably typed in "Farage" but got one or two letters wrong or in the wrong order, and it's corrected it to "Garage". Frustrating, but we all know what you meant.
There are some auto-correct systems that allow you to "tell" the system what you're likely to type and what you actually mean.
I have set mine up so it makes my typing look as clear as possible. It's particularly useful on political threads, where I often bash out a quick post and don't bother to check. So I have set up the system to accommodate and correct for the mistakes I usually make. For instance, whenever I accidentally type "Theresa Mya", it assumes I mean "Theresa May". And whenever I accidentally type "Jeremy Cobryn", it deduces I mean Jeremy Corbyn. And whenever I accidentally type "Fascist, racist, xenophobic, little Englander referendum cheat, with a chip on his shoulder and a long list of difficult questions to answer from UK and USA law enforcement" it guesses that I mean Nigel Farage.8 -
I think your definition of racism is a little simplistic. We know what Baker's intention was, as you say, to take the pee out of posh people. However what the post actually was was a picture of a little monkey dressed up as a human and described as the new royal baby who's mother is of mixed race. If you cannot see how that can be seen as racist, whatever your own interpretation, then there is little more I can add.Dazzler21 said:
The post simply was not racist. Racism is about believing you or someone else is superior based upon race.Riviera said:I do not think Baker is the slightest bit racist. I don't like him but to be fair you could have hardly avoided him over the last 40 years if you share his interests in music, football and trivia. I cannot recall him even make a tiny generalisation to a race or nationality like many did 30+ years ago like Germans nicking the sunbeds or Italians being bad drivers etc. I know he is fan of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and Only Fools and these programs contain some shocking racist pieces and some casual ones too. He does not or has ever himself done the same on TV or radio or in print as far as I know. If he had someone would have found it by now.
However the post WAS racist intentionally or otherwise. To say if you associate monkeys with people of colour then you are the racist is utter rubbish. Our society does it through the idiots who make noises to black footballers etc. It is a so high profile problem that you'd have to have been living like a hermit for years to not be aware. Anyone of even limited intelligence knows of this kind of disgusting behaviour.
It was not Bakers intention to be racist, I 100% believe that but it was so utterly stupid to not realise that it would be seen a racist. Some of the apologists for him have been beyond belief, his supposed fascination with monkeys dressed as humans is a really weak argument. Whether he should have been sacked for it I'm not sure but personally I'm glad he's off the airways, for now at least. I don't see how the BBC had any option. Remember Carol Thatcher on The One Show? They set a precedent with her after she described Jo-Wilfried Tsonga as a cuddly golliwog, and that was off air in the Green Room.
The picture was taking the piss out of posh people... Last time I checked posh wasn't a race.
My statement was that if you associated a chimp with a person of colour then you are racist.
The football 'fans' throwing bananas and making monkey noises are associating people of colour with chimps/monkeys... They are racist.
If you then continue to associate those things I have to say, I believe that makes you racist.5 -
I stupidly thought I knew what racism and democracy actually was.
Thank God for this forum to put me right over the last few months.2 -
Stuff and things. I don't want to argue anymore I'm pretty sure we all agree racism is wrong, Baker isn't racist, baker's post was received as offence.
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The English language is fluid, words and their meanings are constantly changing. So no, it is not set in stone. No word is.Dazzler21 said:The definition of racism is set in stone.
If you believe you are better or worse than someone because of race, that is racism.
Yes it works for positive and negative discrimination.1
