F1 and the Darts getting rid of the girls for 2018...
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so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."
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Please explain to me where, anywhere, men are being repressed by women?cafcdave123 said:
so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."1 -
Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years. You need to wear a cricket box6 -
Bring back the girls0
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Was this because it was a female rider though?RedPanda said:
Already done in bike racing.ForeverAddickted said:Replace them with guys in speedos and see if those same people complain
I will resist the urge to say you can tell because she still has her stabilisers on
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And it looks like the bloke behind her is going to run behind to keep her steady at the start, and then let go when she isn't looking ;-)Fumbluff said:
Was this because it was a female rider though?RedPanda said:
Already done in bike racing.ForeverAddickted said:Replace them with guys in speedos and see if those same people complain
I will resist the urge to say you can tell because she still has her stabilisers on3 -
Exiled_Addick said:
Please explain to me where, anywhere, men are being repressed by women?cafcdave123 said:
so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."
I'm simply saying you cannot use centuries of repression as a reason for what the flag girls etc do and naked butlers on loose women is repression / exploitation and a bit of fun.Exiled_Addick said:
Please explain to me where, anywhere, men are being repressed by women?cafcdave123 said:
so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."
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Exiled_Addick said:
Please explain to me where, anywhere, men are being repressed by women?cafcdave123 said:
so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."
I'm simply saying you cannot use centuries of repression as a reason for what the flag girls etc do and naked butlers on loose women is repression / exploitation and a bit of fun.Exiled_Addick said:
Please explain to me where, anywhere, men are being repressed by women?cafcdave123 said:
so it's man's turn and he's fair game?Exiled_Addick said:
There is a difference though isn't there? One, its not men who have been repressed for centuries. Two, those shows are clearly doing it as 'a bit of fun'. With the grid girls stuff, I'm not so sure is that harmless - there's no joke, or irony there, they are simply being put there for people to look at. It's a subtle distinction, maybe, but I think an important one to make when trying to understand the ways in which women are treated both fairly and unfairly.AFKABartram said:Find it all a bit pathetic but sadly it’s the way things are going.
Of course the use of ‘glamour girls’ are not necessary to any sporting occasion. But then again nor are MC’s, music, fireworks, mascots, dancers, hospitality, food and drinks, commentators and all other aspects that add to ‘the package’, whether that’s attending ot or watching at home.
We are heading for an age of fear and blandness. Let’s hope equality really is applied. I look forward to watching a prime time family entertainment programme like Take Me Out where a bloke doesn’t have to take his shirt off for 30 women to ogle and pass comment on his body. Or Loose Women where they have the butlers in the buff on.
But that’s all a bit of harmless fun, isn’t it?
All of it started as a bit of fun, do you not think the first every flag girls/walk out girls/ring girls were dreamt up with the event organisers saying "wouldn't it be fun to have..."
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Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.3 -
On the upside, it will give them time to get the household chores done a little bit quicker.4
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The best thing to do would be to ask women what they think about it and take a lead from there.
That seems to be the most sensible and rational approach to take.
If women are okay with it then who are men to have this moral outrage?11 -
You want to come round my house for an evening mate - would blow your theory out of the water !!Exiled_Addick said:
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.1 -
Does the missus make you keep your shirt off and Dickie bow on, then, even when you get home from work?Lordflashheart said:
You want to come round my house for an evening mate - would blow your theory out of the water !!Exiled_Addick said:
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.1 -
I've not seen walk on women in their underwear at the darts or F1.SELR_addicks said:Think the issue is more the young children that are watching the sports.
They see the men playing the sport and the women stood in their underwear looking pretty.0 -
Well I have to take my shirt off and put the dicky bow on another part of my body - it's very upsetting, especially in the summer when I have to water the patio plants and the neighbours can see meExiled_Addick said:
Does the missus make you keep your shirt off and Dickie bow on, then, even when you get home from work?Lordflashheart said:
You want to come round my house for an evening mate - would blow your theory out of the water !!Exiled_Addick said:
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.3 -
Is one of those that spins round?Lordflashheart said:
Well I have to take my shirt off and put the dicky bow on another part of my body - it's very upsetting, especially in the summer when I have to water the patio plants and the neighbours can see meExiled_Addick said:
Does the missus make you keep your shirt off and Dickie bow on, then, even when you get home from work?Lordflashheart said:
You want to come round my house for an evening mate - would blow your theory out of the water !!Exiled_Addick said:
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.2 -
The good looking women are generally ok with it and the munters againstBig_Bad_World said:The best thing to do would be to ask women what they think about it and take a lead from there.
That seems to be the most sensible and rational approach to take.
If women are okay with it then who are men to have this moral outrage?
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Only when I'm excited - it glows as well, although I'm told I should see my doctor about thatricky_otto said:
Is one of those that spins round?Lordflashheart said:
Well I have to take my shirt off and put the dicky bow on another part of my body - it's very upsetting, especially in the summer when I have to water the patio plants and the neighbours can see meExiled_Addick said:
Does the missus make you keep your shirt off and Dickie bow on, then, even when you get home from work?Lordflashheart said:
You want to come round my house for an evening mate - would blow your theory out of the water !!Exiled_Addick said:
Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that the grid girls are repressed women - thy are chooisng to do what they do. No one forces them.AFKABartram said:Repressed?
I genuinely don’t think a lot of you have had a night in London / Kent / Essex over the last 20-odd years.
Historically though, women's role in society has been one of servitude and as second class to men. That has changed A LOT over the last 50 to 100 years, but its effects are still present. They do not have 100% equality to men yet, and that is why people are more sensitive to instances of objectification of women. That's why I brought it up. People always cite examples of men doing similar things to these grid girls and somehow make that justification for the women doing the same thing. It's not. A) personally, I don't like seeing anyone being put to use in that fashion, male or female, and b) when the buff geezer, who is being objectified at 'work' just the same as the grid girl, puts his shirt back on, he gets to go back to being a normal man and have all the advantages that come with having a penis in our current society. The grid girl gets objectified in her role as a grid girl and then go home and still has to put up with all the other shit that women do that men largely do not.
Nobody on here is arguing that is alright for men to to be treated one way and women another, but that cuts both ways. The fact is though, in this particular instance, it is largely women being oggled and men oggling.1 -
Great debate guys,
I think award this one to the lads.
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Sexist.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Great debate guys,
I think award this one to the lads.
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You sexist bastard. The awards need to be distributed equally.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Great debate guys,
I think award this one to the lads.
Well done1 -
I don’t have sky sports so have not seen these walk on girls at the Darts.
Is it true they walk on topless, lead by a chain around their neck and then forced to fellate the scorer?3 -
Cheers, CalCallumcafc said:
Sexy.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Great debate guys,
I think award this one to the lads.
Well done1 -
Cheers, CovoCovered End said:
You sexy bastard. The awards need to be distributed equally.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Great debate guys,
I think award this one to the lads.
Well done1 -
Sorry, what channels that on?SELR_addicks said:Think the issue is more the young children that are watching the sports.
They see the men playing the sport and the women stood in their underwear looking pretty.
Probably SKY knowing my luck.0 -
I don't know, but some look like they've had more pricks than the dart boardMrOneLung said:I don’t have sky sports so have not seen these walk on girls at the Darts.
Is it true they walk on topless, lead by a chain around their neck and then forced to fellate the scorer?1 -
Couldn't they just keep the ones with the biggest tits.4
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So who is doing a job of choice and who is being exploited?
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Does anyone know if Diet Coke are going to stop celebrating their topless hunk (Essential for a sugar-based drink) like they have for the last 20+ years? (No gurning ladies , it’s sexist)5
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Lollipop Lady looks like my auntie Kay0
