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England v West Indies 2017

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    We needed 99 from 15 overs. We were favourite to win. DL works well.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    As a spectator, just disappointing that the game didn't go to its natural conclusion, but England batted superbly in those last few overs
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Leuth said:

    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking

    On the other hand, England reaching the DLM total was never straightforward, as ever wicket falling makes the target a lot harder. If Mooen had got out just as the rain was starting, we would have lost
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,900
    Leuth said:

    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking

    i was there and what an enjoyable game ! it would have been just as cheap a win if windies had won that way ..its such a great shame for the game of cricket ...but the weather won and i am afraid thats cricket ..maybe if it was an old fashioned club game they could have retired to the bar and had a best of 3 rounds between samuels and stokes

    (maybe i have hit upon something here)

  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    If Lewis had not been injured (fractured ankle), I do not think we would have been anywhere near their total, why don't our football team get these lucky moments
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Nah, they got a few sixes and fours even after he retired. I doubt they'd have gotten much more. I guess I feel less cheap about the win considering it involved Hero Moeen blasting them everywhere again
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,626
    edited September 2017
    Leuth said:

    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking

    The only way it benefitted us was that the "par" score was brightly lit on the scoreboard so it was there for all to see. Not that it helped the Windies as their captain didn't bring the field in for the last ball of the penultimate over so we could get an easy 2 runs.

    Also Ali & Butler still had to score around 40 runs in 3 overs to get past the "par" score - could easily had been out and thus making the "par" score even higher.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    golfaddick said:

    Leuth said:

    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking

    The only way it benefitted us was that the "par" score was brightly lit on the scoreboard so it was there for all to see. Not that it helped the Windies as their captain didn't bring the field in for the last ball of the penultimate over so we could get an easy 2 runs.

    Also Ali & Butler still had to score around 40 runs in 3 overs to get past the "par" score - could easily had been out and thus making the "par" score even higher.

    Needing to get a really testing DLM score actually made the last 15 minutes really exciting, it was a run chase within a run chase, with England really going for it and the Windies trying to slow play down, with both teams getting weather reports to let them know how long there was before the rain arrived!
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    killerandflash said:

    golfaddick said:

    Leuth said:

    It just feels like a cheap win. I don't know. I don't like how rain-affected games favour the team batting second in almost every case. Maybe it needs tweaking

    The only way it benefitted us was that the "par" score was brightly lit on the scoreboard so it was there for all to see. Not that it helped the Windies as their captain didn't bring the field in for the last ball of the penultimate over so we could get an easy 2 runs.

    Also Ali & Butler still had to score around 40 runs in 3 overs to get past the "par" score - could easily had been out and thus making the "par" score even higher.

    Needing to get a really testing DLM score actually made the last 15 minutes really exciting, it was a run chase within a run chase, with England really going for it and the Windies trying to slow play down, with both teams getting weather reports to let them know how long there was before the rain arrived!
    That and the DL required score goes up with each wicket taken by the fielding side, plus the algorithm is constantly updated with the results of completed matches.
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Curran with three dreadful balls in a row to get Hope going. Isn't he meant to be good?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Rashid with another similarly rubbish ball, Hope has 4 fours in 4 balls after 70-odd without
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    Leuth said:

    Curran with three dreadful balls in a row to get Hope going. Isn't he meant to be good?

    He got Gayle out
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    And just bowled a maiden
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Jake Ball, discuss ;)
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Leuth said:

    Jake Ball, discuss ;)

    I'll go first. Utter garbage who will be mauled by the Aussies.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Leuth said:

    Jake Ball, discuss ;)

    If Wood is bowling well for the lions, he'll be picked ahead of Ball

    Maybe Jake Ball is a good drinks waiter?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    If stokes doesn't go we will have to find another quick bowlers as back up for Anderson and Broad.
    If not Ball who else?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    edited September 2017
    bolloxbolder said:

    Leuth said:

    Jake Ball, discuss ;)

    I'll go first. Utter garbage who will be mauled by the Aussies.
    this .. how ever did he get selected ? .. family influence ? .. though that is a bit remote
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Surely Roy was bat to pad. Why no review?
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    this game is so late in the season, it's almost a warm up for The Ashes!
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Cricket in England really is all over for the year.

    ...except, I have a game tomorrow. Really not sure how or why
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    If everyone was available, who would you leave out from our batting? Bairstow, Hales and Roy all deserve to open...
  • iamdan
    iamdan Posts: 2,421
    Roy
    Bairstow
    Hales
    Root C
    Buttler
    Stokes
    Ali
    Woakes
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Willey
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    iamdan said:

    Roy
    Bairstow
    Hales
    Root C
    Buttler
    Stokes
    Ali
    Woakes
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Willey

    On current form, Morgan doesn't justify his place, though it would be harsh to dump him
    Wiley does look the weakest of the bowlers
  • iamdan
    iamdan Posts: 2,421
    killerandflash said:

    iamdan said:

    Roy
    Bairstow
    Hales
    Root C
    Buttler
    Stokes
    Ali
    Woakes
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Willey

    On current form, Morgan doesn't justify his place, though it would be harsh to dump him
    Wiley does look the weakest of the bowlers

    Jake Ball gone for 80+ 4 times in 12 games so jury out for me. Willey can bat too, although does look he can't at international level!

    Chris Jordan? :)
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    killerandflash said:

    If everyone was available, who would you leave out from our batting? Bairstow, Hales and Roy all deserve to open...

    Play all three and drop Morgan
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,196
    I'd definitely play all 3 and drop Morgan, make Butler captain and if he's fit Wood instead of Ball
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    iamdan said:

    Roy
    Bairstow
    Hales
    Root C
    Buttler
    Stokes
    Ali
    Woakes
    Plunkett
    Rashid
    Willey

    Just swop Bairstow with Hales and i agree with this line-up.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    What happened to Jade Dernbach? He was horribly expensive when he last played for England, does he have some extra nous now? He was good when I saw him in a T20 this season

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