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  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,866
    Alwaysneil said:

    On the left?

    That's Andy Carroll
  • BillG
    BillG Posts: 90
    A narrow escape I think this will prove.
  • Sam lloyd
    Sam lloyd Posts: 1,083
    Henry Irving said:

    colin1961 said:

    Everything agreed press release planned for tomorrow but Charlton wanted it sorted today but Wilder wanted to see the other options before deciding , so Charlton pulled the plug .....

    IF that was true, which seeing it is you is very unlikely, that makes Charlton look even more stupid. Couldn't wait 24 hours for the man they wanted.

    Or is it more likely Wilder didn't get the assurances he wanted in writing so said no.
    Ketts posted on CAFC Picks "Wilder lives in Sheffield, played for United & is a Blades fan, the Brammall Lane gig is his dream job. He could have written his own contract with us, once the Blades made their interest known, we were in trouble"
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Don't do or do not, there is no trying.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Tried to explain this to my son this evening. 'So dad, whose our manager? I'm confused.'

    'We don't have one right now because Riga resigned and Wilder has turned us down.'

    'Oh, how are we going to play out next game then?'

    'Well it's not until August'

    'Yes dad. I'm worried about the team for next year. We will still have Lookman won't we?'

    'Um no, we may have Solly and Jackson but I'm not sure even about that.'

    'Oh. That's not good dad.'

  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    soapy_jones said:

    This pair just make me feel physically sick!

    You've seen the VT of the pair of them on the sofa then?
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,651
    edited May 2016
    Anyone know the odds on us being relegated, and us being promoted, I'm figuring if I back both I won't be disappointed!
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,700
    Mendonca In Asdas said:

    Anyone know the odds on us being relegated, and us be promoted?

    9/2 promotion
    Can't find relegation odds yet
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Todds_right_hook said:

    Why is wilder still the bookies favourite

    The bookies don't make the odds. The gamblers make the odds by laying down their money.

    If most the money was laid on Wilder, then he'll still be favourite until he's 100% ruled out, if not much money is being laid on anyone else.
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  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Covered End said:

    Todds_right_hook said:

    Why is wilder still the bookies favourite

    The bookies don't make the odds. The gamblers make the odds by laying down their money.

    If most the money was laid on Wilder, then he'll still be favourite until he's 100% ruled out, if not much money is being laid on anyone else.
    Is a statement on each of the clubs involved websites not completely ruled out?
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    edited May 2016
    cafc_harry said:

    Covered End said:

    Todds_right_hook said:

    Why is wilder still the bookies favourite

    The bookies don't make the odds. The gamblers make the odds by laying down their money.

    If most the money was laid on Wilder, then he'll still be favourite until he's 100% ruled out, if not much money is being laid on anyone else.
    Is a statement on each of the clubs involved websites not completely ruled out?
    But the book is about who'll be the manager for the first game next season.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Stig said:

    The more I think about it, the more I am extremely glad that Wilder turned us down. It's not that I don't want us to have a proper English manager, especially one who's riding on the back of a recent success. It's not that I crave uncertainty or instability. And it's not just because I harbour spiteful feelings towards the regime (though I do admit, there is a little something in that last one). The real reason I'm glad is because I honestly don't believe we will be a proper functioning football club until Two Shats sells up.

    I was amazed at how easily a large number of lifers started talking positively about getting Wilder in. Despite all that's happened in the past two years, it seems there are still quite a few amongst us who are (or at least, were) prepared to cut the regime some slack. As far as I am concerned, that would be the worst thing we could do. As long as they are with us, the best we can possibly hope for is stagnation; the worst is unthinkable. In the short term, not getting a proper manager may prove very uncomfortable, however our club is very sick and it is only the most unpalatable medicine that will get us on the right track. There is no room for doubt here. The regime is wrecking our club and we need to ensure that each of us is committed to getting rid of them. I applaud every coach and every player that turns Charlton down. Every one of them is another little chip out of the Duchatelet monolith. One day we will get rid of him, the regime's inability to recruit competent people may prove to be a great help in that.

    My sentiments exactly.
  • 25May98
    25May98 Posts: 712
    What would happen if no one took on the job. Not even on an interim or caretaker basis???

    I know someone will step in but this would be a perfect scenario to up the ante on RD
  • OhEddieYouds
    OhEddieYouds Posts: 744
    This whole episode is up there with the week when I went to Huddersfield and Hull away.

    Endless embarrassment.
  • 25May98
    25May98 Posts: 712
    Airman Brown said:

    SDAddick said:

    Mametz said:

    The frightening, and I mean really frightening, thing about this is there will still be supporters, sorry customers, who will say he really has changed and did go after a British manager.

    Really? Even if he'd been appointed, I don't think a manager who'd just won League Two and never coached above that level would have impressed that many.

    Given what Rich Cawley and Large have said, I think it's clear they genuinely wanted CW. I'm genuinely curious to know how many not on here or on Twitter had even heard of him. If you were going for a publicity stunt, why go with Chris Wilder?
    No shadow of a doubt they wanted him and thought they had got him. I also think Wilder was very keen to come. Then he met Katrien. What could go wrong?
    You met Katrien and you are still here
  • 25May98
    25May98 Posts: 712
    shoearmy said:

    In our local paper about our chairman saying there is other interest in CW & AK. On our official site too...

    http://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/article/chris-wilder-charlton-athletic-northampton-town-3108581.aspx

    Pretty certain he won't be managing us again anyway!

    You don't deserve this. He should be thinking about next season with Northampton. Building a team to give League 1 a real good go.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,986
    I was talking to a mate last night who is a big Everton fan and isn't across all the finer details of our situation. His response to it all?
    'What does this Roland guy want? Why did he buy Charlton just to run it into the ground?'

    Yup.....why? What they're doing makes no sense.
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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Be great if Wilder came out and said that it's because they weren't prepared to give him full control of footballing matters that he turned them down. I know it doesn't work like that and these things are never disclosed, but it would be sweet just to see it come out in the open

    I've no doubt the damage is done as word will spread anyway, but would be great to read and yet another disaster for RD

    I'm pretty certain we're gonna have a summer like Blackpool did year before last. We will be massively exposed come July. The worst thing is likely repeating what Blackpool did this season
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,976
    Stig said:

    The more I think about it, the more I am extremely glad that Wilder turned us down. It's not that I don't want us to have a proper English manager, especially one who's riding on the back of a recent success. It's not that I crave uncertainty or instability. And it's not just because I harbour spiteful feelings towards the regime (though I do admit, there is a little something in that last one). The real reason I'm glad is because I honestly don't believe we will be a proper functioning football club until Two Shats sells up.

    I was amazed at how easily a large number of lifers started talking positively about getting Wilder in. Despite all that's happened in the past two years, it seems there are still quite a few amongst us who are (or at least, were) prepared to cut the regime some slack. As far as I am concerned, that would be the worst thing we could do. As long as they are with us, the best we can possibly hope for is stagnation; the worst is unthinkable. In the short term, not getting a proper manager may prove very uncomfortable, however our club is very sick and it is only the most unpalatable medicine that will get us on the right track. There is no room for doubt here. The regime is wrecking our club and we need to ensure that each of us is committed to getting rid of them. I applaud every coach and every player that turns Charlton down. Every one of them is another little chip out of the Duchatelet monolith. One day we will get rid of him, the regime's inability to recruit competent people may prove to be a great help in that.

    This

  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    I must admit I feel torn.

    Most of me feels exactly like @Stig describes. It's another blow to the Duchatelet regime.

    But there's still a little bit of me that wanted a credible British manager with a decent track record that, most importantly, would have been given the kind of control that would have signified some softening of the Duchatelet approach. It was forlorn hope, but that is better than no hope at all and that's why some people were quick to seize on the news like a drowning man seizes a lifebelt.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    I agree @Davo55. A part of me had faint hope that maybe, just maybe Duchatelet may had admitted failure and had come round to our way of thinking. The cynic in me feels they never really wanted Wilder and have used him to say 'Well, we tried, but here's Nobby.'

    This latest shambles, probably the worst yet, makes both Duchatelet’s and especially Katrien Meire's position untenable. I genuinely don't know how many more embarrassing mistakes she's allowed to make before she gets the sack.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,701
    Looking on Sky Bet and Steve Evans is 25/1....the fact that he is even on the list is worrying!
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,976
    The Red Robin said:

    I agree @Davo55. A part of me had faint hope that maybe, just maybe Duchatelet may had admitted failure and had come round to our way of thinking. The cynic in me feels they never really wanted Wilder and have used him to say 'Well, we tried, but here's Nobby.'

    This latest shambles, probably the worst yet, makes both Duchatelet’s and especially Katrien Meire's position untenable. I genuinely don't know how many more embarrassing mistakes she's allowed to make before she gets the sack.

    How many times have we said this?! Untenable in our eyes most definitely but when oh when will RM/KM get it?
  • unjpc49427
    unjpc49427 Posts: 97
    I think Swiss Tony handed all the firearms given up and deposited in the amnesty bins to KM. Now she/they have all the ammunition necessary to keep firing shots into her/their own feet.
  • HandG
    HandG Posts: 2,134
    JessieAddick said:

    Stig said:

    The more I think about it, the more I am extremely glad that Wilder turned us down. It's not that I don't want us to have a proper English manager, especially one who's riding on the back of a recent success. It's not that I crave uncertainty or instability. And it's not just because I harbour spiteful feelings towards the regime (though I do admit, there is a little something in that last one). The real reason I'm glad is because I honestly don't believe we will be a proper functioning football club until Two Shats sells up.

    I was amazed at how easily a large number of lifers started talking positively about getting Wilder in. Despite all that's happened in the past two years, it seems there are still quite a few amongst us who are (or at least, were) prepared to cut the regime some slack. As far as I am concerned, that would be the worst thing we could do. As long as they are with us, the best we can possibly hope for is stagnation; the worst is unthinkable. In the short term, not getting a proper manager may prove very uncomfortable, however our club is very sick and it is only the most unpalatable medicine that will get us on the right track. There is no room for doubt here. The regime is wrecking our club and we need to ensure that each of us is committed to getting rid of them. I applaud every coach and every player that turns Charlton down. Every one of them is another little chip out of the Duchatelet monolith. One day we will get rid of him, the regime's inability to recruit competent people may prove to be a great help in that.

    I thought I was the only one that felt somewhat glad that he turned us down. It was a really strange reaction from me when I read that news this morning I must admit. I'm not even sure if I'm able to feel angry anymore about our situation now. I just hope something extremely bad happens to RD and he's forced to sell us up.
    Jessie, you definitely were not the only one! I am glad that Wilder turned us down because I don't want the regime to change (little chance of that as it looks to have turned out!), I want them to sell up and die.
  • queensland_addick
    queensland_addick Posts: 7,547
    The rat is now cornered. He could waste more time trying to con some British has been manager into accepting his terms and risk getting rejected again. He could risk appointing Nobby or another Karel and continue down into League Two, or he could do the sensible thing and pick up the phone to Peter Varney.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    charltonbob said:

    thai malaysia addick said:

    Perhaps we should give Roland another chance
    [removes tongue from cheek in case there are any doubters]

    The worrying/sad/sickening thing is as soon as CWs name was mentioned some on here were saying exactly that !!!!
    That is not entirely correct, the statements were around if they appointed Wilder and made other changes - essentially changed tack. The word IF is a subtle one but there is a discussion to be had around what should happen IF the owner completely changed is strategy. That doesn't look like it is going to happen anytime soon but misinterpreting what is still a valid point, whether you agree with it or not, is not helpful!

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