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QPR v Charlton post-match views 2016
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Been very impressed with Callum since he returned from Colchester where he did very well, he could do very well in league one next season!!vff said:http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10236521/qpr-2-1-charlton
Some great saves from Pope. That first QPR goal is definitely offside. After the Cousins equaliser Charlton had a couple of excellent chances to go ahead, particularly Vetekele. Last minute goal in reverse adds salt onto the wound but a draw was not going to be enough. Going down.6 -
Will he sign a new contract if offered tho?uie2 said:
Been very impressed with Callum since he returned from Colchester where he did very well, he could do very well in league one next season!!vff said:http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10236521/qpr-2-1-charlton
Some great saves from Pope. That first QPR goal is definitely offside. After the Cousins equaliser Charlton had a couple of excellent chances to go ahead, particularly Vetekele. Last minute goal in reverse adds salt onto the wound but a draw was not going to be enough. Going down.0 -
That's Ok. IMO, if a player is really fit, with match fitness then taking chances is easier. Vetekele is getting back to full fitness and is still not the player that he was. A good striker on top of his fitness would have put that away. Vetekele is still is a good striker, unfortunatley, like everything else this season, his form will come to late.mid_life_crisis said:
I beg to differ. Why was that poor finish down to fitness and sharpness? It was just down to poor finishing IMO.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, considering his wages and FFP rules. He is probably not excited to play in league one either.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
He doesn't rank anywhere in my pantheon of top Charlton strikers.5 -
It's 18 months since Vetokele was a good striker18
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No 'if's, no 'but's.SaySomething said:
I took my son to the Northampton game today, being as we live locally and he's a 'casual' cobblers fan....the fans were on the pitch afterwards, celebrating their success. The downer for me was that this will be a local charlton away game for me next season.killerandflash said:Well done Northampton, a new ground to visit
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Amos on the Wing said : Been very impressed with Callum since he returned from Colchester where he did very well, he could do very well in league one next season!!
Will he sign a new contract if offered tho?
Charlton have a one year option in their favour so I'd imagine they will take it up so either a) he stays and plays in League 1 or b) they will ensure themselves a fee
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It would take a lot more than this to make me wish I supported either of those two.oohaahmortimer said:Scum up, Croydon geeks safe ,us down
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Another club with more personality than us .Uboat said:
No 'if's, no 'but's.SaySomething said:
I took my son to the Northampton game today, being as we live locally and he's a 'casual' cobblers fan....the fans were on the pitch afterwards, celebrating their success. The downer for me was that this will be a local charlton away game for me next season.killerandflash said:Well done Northampton, a new ground to visit
If we ever get promoted again , even if it is from the London and Kent Border League let us show some emotion and celebrate on our pitch2 -
The Northampton fans are probably worried now that their going to get arrested,maybe go to prison,lose their mortgage and get a life ban for running on the pitch.4
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The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.5 -
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What a cruel game football can be!
Better team than Ipswich, better team than QPR should have had an extra five points this week which would have kept it interesting and I'm sure the first goal today was offside!
But that's it now, back to the doom and gloom of league 1, I'm sitting here gutted and with the 'ump, but I'll get over it COYR6 -
I hate wishing my life away but I just want this goddam nightmeire of a season to finish. Usually hate the close season but I just need to get away from this football club now.4
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Give Glen Hoddle a shout. He may be able to help.oohaahmortimer said:Scum up, Croydon geeks safe ,us down
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Not many comments on the match itself here tonight and I can fully understand why.
For those who didn't spend 2.5 hours travelling this morning ( thanks to LB, WE, CS & CX being closed), our lads played their hearts out today - we couldn't have asked for any more effort.
Of course, that doesn't mean we took all our chances, sadly, or that passes didn't go astray putting us under unnecessary pressure but for a team fighting for survival in this league, they gave their all. It was heartbreaking to watch what will inevitably be one of our final games in the Championship for the time being and to consider what might have been had Jose never left & had been allowed to build a team of this ilk 2 years ago.
It's difficult to single out specific players to credit tonight, but Nick Pope made a couple of great saves & has grown into his role as No 1 'keeper, whilst both Jordan & Alou barely put a foot wrong....again. Callum continues to savour his run of games under his favourite coach and was unlucky not to score & Lookie showed glimpses of his skills when the Rangers' bully boys were given the slip. Best enjoy him while we can...
As against both Birmingham & Ipswich, our 2nd half performance was one full of fight & endeavour and the Sooper Hoops were on the back foot time after time with just our final ball or failure to hit the target letting us down again. Tex came forward a couple of times in an effort to replicate his winning header at The Valley but this time it wasn't to be. This is a player that seems to have embraced our Club and threatens to become a fans' favourite...if given time to do so.
But Lady Luck, hand in hand with a very dodgy lino on our left ,deserted us today and sadly, our fate is now written in the stars, as they say. Our hearts have been well & truly broken by a Belgian egomaniac in little over 2 years and the very future of our great club remains in doubt under his disastrous stewardship. Many of us are in NO doubt whatsoever that the downward spiral will continue apace unless we, the fans, force him to sell up and concede defeat. This man will never change his ways regardless of the pathetic attempts to assure us otherwise....we can see his fingers crossed behind his back when those lies are uttered. The process has begun and will gather momentum under the superb people seated at the CARD top table and we MUST support them in every possible way.
Until that glorious day dawns when Roland & his minions crawl away to lick their wounds , muttering " We were misunderstood!", the future is bleak-the future is Belgian .40 -
Its all opinion. I think that you have got to remember how serverely injured Vetekele was last year by him forcing him to play on an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season. In his interview Vetekele said that he thought he may have been forced to give up football. Missing that chance is not good buy that's not what has relegated Charlton in any case. Last season there was only one decent striker and this season, there was no cover for Vetekele's absence. This desperate season forced Vetekele to come back earlier then he should and he broke down again. Last week, Vetekele had some rough tackles from Birmingham and I thought that would be the end of him.cafctom said:
The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.
Vetekele is a decent striker and I'll cut him some slack. It is Duchatelet's one decent striker thin last season, running Vetekele in to the ground and this season lack of quality in the squad that I hold responsible.
Excellent post by @Fanny Fanackapan as always by the way, says it all - I cannot wait for the future day that I read Duchatlet and Meire have left the club, with a decent owner and Charlton supporters can have some hope for the future again.9 -
It is going to be a boring final day of the season - all three relegation spots will be well and truly filled by then....Gutted1
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Can't believe the run of results that have gone against us. After thrashing Rotherham I thought we might be able to do this but alas not to be ! Get these Wankers out and start over1
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If you're gonna hold Vetokele in such high esteem for the short period where he was mustard for us last season , i don't think you can ignore the contribution Tony Watt made to us last year he put in plenty of man of the match performances as we turned our season around under Luzonvff said:
Its all opinion. I think that you have got to remember how serverely injured Vetekele was last year by him forcing him to play on an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season. In his interview Vetekele said that he thought he may have been forced to give up football. Missing that chance is not good buy that's not what has relegated Charlton in any case. Last season there was only one decent striker and this season, there was no cover for Vetekele's absence. This desperate season forced Vetekele to come back earlier then he should and he broke down again. Last week, Vetekele had some rough tackles from Birmingham and I thought that would be the end of him.cafctom said:
The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.
Vetekele is a decent striker and I'll cut him some slack. It is Duchatelet's one decent striker thin last season, running Vetekele in to the ground and this season lack of quality in the squad that I hold responsible.
Yes he may be a head fuck but Tony Watt has been the better player of the two since he joined us imo15 -
If we win our next 2 games (big if) and either Huddersfield or Rotherham lose their next 2 games then where 4 points off safety (+ terrible goal difference) with 3 games to go.Callumcafc said:
Season over.
Wouldn't that freak people out! But nah where screwed7 -
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Agree with everything here. There are so many aspects that can play on a players' mind, consciously and subconsciously. He has not, by the sounds of things, been able to play football with a clear head in the last 18 months. He has had to play through injuries, and at times may have been rushed back causing him to break down.vff said:
Its all opinion. I think that you have got to remember how serverely injured Vetekele was last year by him forcing him to play on an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season. In his interview Vetekele said that he thought he may have been forced to give up football. Missing that chance is not good buy that's not what has relegated Charlton in any case. Last season there was only one decent striker and this season, there was no cover for Vetekele's absence. This desperate season forced Vetekele to come back earlier then he should and he broke down again. Last week, Vetekele had some rough tackles from Birmingham and I thought that would be the end of him.cafctom said:
The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.
Vetekele is a decent striker and I'll cut him some slack. It is Duchatelet's one decent striker thin last season, running Vetekele in to the ground and this season lack of quality in the squad that I hold responsible.
Excellent post by @Fanny Fanackapan as always by the way, says it all - I cannot wait for the future day that I read Duchatlet and Meire have left the club, with a decent owner and Charlton supporters can have some hope for the future again.
I remember thinking against Rotherham "he looks half a yard slow and a bit rusty" and he was damn near brilliant in that match. Achilles and groin injuries are difficult, they can reduce a bit of that explosiveness and they can also have a psychological effect.
It's nice to see good things being said about the team both on this thread and the player ratings thread. Too little too late and all that, but I do still take some pride in the fact that they gave it their all. I think I'd be a lot more hurt or let down if the ratings coming in were poor. But seeing how the likes of Fox and Harriott and Lookman and Cousins, all academy graduates, plus Pope who joined us young, getting good results and growing into solid first team players is very heartening. If there is an upside to going down a division it's that we may be able to add two or three to that list next year.0 -
Don't also forget that our wonderful owners tried to farm him off to Bolton on loan last season whilst he was still injured. I can only think that was Roland's influence as he doesn't like experienced players not playing and would rather get rid to our rivals instead-he probably didn't realise Igor had a serious injury keeping him out....SDAddick said:
Agree with everything here. There are so many aspects that can play on a players' mind, consciously and subconsciously. He has not, by the sounds of things, been able to play football with a clear head in the last 18 months. He has had to play through injuries, and at times may have been rushed back causing him to break down.vff said:
Its all opinion. I think that you have got to remember how serverely injured Vetekele was last year by him forcing him to play on an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season. In his interview Vetekele said that he thought he may have been forced to give up football. Missing that chance is not good buy that's not what has relegated Charlton in any case. Last season there was only one decent striker and this season, there was no cover for Vetekele's absence. This desperate season forced Vetekele to come back earlier then he should and he broke down again. Last week, Vetekele had some rough tackles from Birmingham and I thought that would be the end of him.cafctom said:
The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.
Vetekele is a decent striker and I'll cut him some slack. It is Duchatelet's one decent striker thin last season, running Vetekele in to the ground and this season lack of quality in the squad that I hold responsible.
Excellent post by @Fanny Fanackapan as always by the way, says it all - I cannot wait for the future day that I read Duchatlet and Meire have left the club, with a decent owner and Charlton supporters can have some hope for the future again.3 -
Still gutted (and hungover). We actually played well, the better team for sure but at this point in the season its points not performances that matter and the long and short of it is we simply haven't got enough to survive. Rotherham's run of form is completely unexpected but let's be honest, we haven't even caught MK Dons so we're absolutely nowhere near survival.
Thought Harriot and Cousins played well, Vetokele had some nice touches but looks very unfit.
The people booing Makienok as he comes on the pitch are utter morons by the way.0 -
The stewards were just CUNTS of the absolute highest order. There were a couple of occassions where six or seven were grabbing a lad both of 15 and virtually punching them in the face. The stewards were the ones behaving like hoolagan not he fans. Fucking pigs.1
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On the bright side @oohaahmortimer our percentage of away following to home crowds is going to shoot up...you'll be in clover!!oohaahmortimer said:Scum up, Croydon geeks safe ,us down
Wtf did I do in my previous life ffs
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What I am saying is that Vetekele shouldn't get written off as a decent striker. With the disappointment of relegation, Duchatelet is squarely to blame. Vetekele missing a chance yesterday is not the reason Charlton are facing relegation. I hope Vetekele will find his top form again, but it should be remembered how badly the injuries were managed at Charlton. Forcing him to play on an injury (due to the thinness of the squad) is evidence of the cluelessness and flawed approach at the heart of Duchatelet's strategy.oohaahmortimer said:
If you're gonna hold Vetokele in such high esteem for the short period where he was mustard for us last season , i don't think you can ignore the contribution Tony Watt made to us last year he put in plenty of man of the match performances as we turned our season around under Luzonvff said:
Its all opinion. I think that you have got to remember how serverely injured Vetekele was last year by him forcing him to play on an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season. In his interview Vetekele said that he thought he may have been forced to give up football. Missing that chance is not good buy that's not what has relegated Charlton in any case. Last season there was only one decent striker and this season, there was no cover for Vetekele's absence. This desperate season forced Vetekele to come back earlier then he should and he broke down again. Last week, Vetekele had some rough tackles from Birmingham and I thought that would be the end of him.cafctom said:
The fitness excuse has been trotted out far too long for him. Fitness doesn't mean you can't trap a ball properly or put a ball past a keeper when you are one on one.vff said:
Down to fitness and sharpness. Vetekele of the start of last season would have scored that. With a proper pre season, he may get back to the player he was. Not sure that will be with Charlton, though due to his wages, and the length of contract, I don't think that is included in the FFP rules regarding turnover / wages.oohaahmortimer said:Let's face it Vetokele has been pretty pony ever since those first dozen or so games for us , shame really he looked the part
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
JBG has been carrying an injury all season but fans have been quick to jump on his back even though he has still actually produced, albeit a shade below last year.
Vetekele is a decent striker and I'll cut him some slack. It is Duchatelet's one decent striker thin last season, running Vetekele in to the ground and this season lack of quality in the squad that I hold responsible.
Yes he may be a head fuck but Tony Watt has been the better player of the two since he joined us imo
Tony Watt is a good player but needs a decent manager. He can be brilliant individually, scored an excellent goal running through on goal (forget against who), early on when he arrived. Watt needs to get his head straight to be consistent and that's where the main problem is. He is also a different type of player to Vetekele. For leading the line, I would choose Vetekele (at his best) where Tony Watt does not have the patience, when things are not going well, he tends to drop deep and try to take the whole of the opposition with mazy runs, that are never going to work.
Out of the two, for building a team around, I would choose Vetekele at his best against Tony Watt due to the psychological aspects of the player. Vetekele has lost some fitness and confidence but he can get that back. Tony Watt, psychologically needs deeper work, or the right manager, he has had plenty of those.
The common factor with both players is that they needed managers / head coaches who were able to pick quality players alongside them to complement their play but under Duchatelet that has never happened and the team has come up short and both players have suffered as a result.2 -
Watching West Ham 3 Arsenal 3 this morning and remembering their location in future, I could not stop my mind from wandering towards watching Premiership football in future as a neutral. Problem is I cannot wipe out 60 years of Addicktion. Obviously Roland and his ridiculously appointed CEO are about as much use as a chocolate teapot, so for me next season is the last chance saloon. If I see us sliding towards League Two, then I'm out of here. My family and I, despite having excellent seats in the Upper North, are not renewing until August at which time we will make our choice from hundreds of available tickets.
If Roland chooses a proper CEO, and understands that we don't expect him to throw money at everything, but understands that he MUST appoint the correct British manager we will buy our tickets immediately. It is not rocket science, Rotherham made a simple decision to employ Neil Warnock and promptly got the right results. When they do their sums, they will be laughing long and loud. Roland's knowledge of football makes me feel like a genius, and that takes a lot of doing.1 -
Totally respect your views, Granpa but would the appointment of a "proper CEO" make any difference ? The problem is that RD's profile of such will never meet our own and a successor to SWMBO would inevitably be another puppet with the owner pulling his/her strings as before.Granpa said:Watching West Ham 3 Arsenal 3 this morning and remembering their location in future, I could not stop my mind from wandering towards watching Premiership football in future as a neutral. Problem is I cannot wipe out 60 years of Addicktion. Obviously Roland and his ridiculously appointed CEO are about as much use as a chocolate teapot, so for me next season is the last chance saloon. If I see us sliding towards League Two, then I'm out of here. My family and I, despite having excellent seats in the Upper North, are not renewing until August at which time we will make our choice from hundreds of available tickets.
If Roland chooses a proper CEO, and understands that we don't expect him to throw money at everything, but understands that he MUST appoint the correct British manager we will buy our tickets immediately. It is not rocket science, Rotherham made a simple decision to employ Neil Warnock and promptly got the right results. When they do their sums, they will be laughing long and loud. Roland's knowledge of football makes me feel like a genius, and that takes a lot of doing.
And whilst I agree that the correct British manager would go some way towards appeasing the fans, this would mean investing more of his "hard earned" than he's prepared to do - they don't come cheap.
I believe it will take far more than engaging a British manager to gain the support of the majority of Addicks.
The proof of the pudding etc etc......
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Really? I gotta say, I also witnessed some pretty pig like behaviour from 'fans' who were obviously on day release. It works both ways I'm afraid.AddickFC81 said:The stewards were just CUNTS of the absolute highest order. There were a couple of occassions where six or seven were grabbing a lad both of 15 and virtually punching them in the face. The stewards were the ones behaving like hoolagan not he fans. Fucking pigs.
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I have been resigned to our fate for weeks but was very angry and upset yesterday.DamoNorthStand said:We have been down for weeks - I have had my 'grieving period' and am out the other side.
Saddened by not being bothered about going to games. Haven't been since Jan after having a season ticket since 1991.
But the whole 'we are down after today' is silly - we have been gone for ages.
At least we can all concentrate on getting the vermin out the club together now as surely there are no optimists left now.2
