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Could THEY still win YOU back?

Dave2l
Dave2l Posts: 8,880
in General Charlton
1. Has it completely crossed the line for you where you just want the current owners out and at all reasonable, realistic costs?

2. If you still have a bit of open minded thought left, what could RD and or KM do to make you think, this lot are ok I'm happy with my club continuing with them as owners/primary decision makers?

3. As much as RD or whatever shows contempt for fans as ego sways him, he knows he still needs the fans and for these protests to stop. Something to resolve itself one way or the other where he makes a profit out of charlton and the only likely way that's gana happen is if people at least attend games and fans fully buy back into charlton again. He just thought we were thick I guess and could be taken for a ride.

So for you to stop protesting etc against this sh*t mob...what would it take?

Your chance to spell it in black and white, for them.

Me personally...I just want them to f*ck off. End of. I maybe speaking without enough logic though.
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  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,356
    No
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,247
    No
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,432
    No way.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,308
    edited January 2016
    No.

    Katrien categorically. She's a lying stooge, and my dislike of what she is doing goes way beyond loathing.

    Roland has money. He could do a complete about face. Pump money on a continual basis into the squad, come to games and show an interest, sack Katrien and the useless footballing affront that is KF, and, very importantly, apologise. But he is a self made millionaire, he won't learn, won't run the club properly, won't show an interest, and will NEVER admit his many mistakes and apologise. So he can bog off too.

    They knew how we were feeling after the Luzón appointment. So they bought in Fraeye. That took them over the line, and the 'customers in a restaurant' made it quite clear where they were coming from.

    No way back. It's war.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited January 2016
    Too much damage done.

    What would it take to to stop protesting against them?
    2 x One way Eurostar tickets to Brussels.

    Carol can just get an Oyster card and sit on the Circle Line.
  • GetOutOfMyClub
    GetOutOfMyClub Posts: 406
    edited January 2016
    No because they will never change. The sooner they are gone the better. One day this will all seem like a bad dream but at the moment until we get them out we will continue in this NightMeire scenario. By the way spoke to a Belgian bloke who was a Standard fan about 3 weeks ago and he said there was talk of kidnapping RD before he sold up.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    If we survive comfortably and win the FA Cup then we can begin negotiations.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,439
    No. Poisonous to my football club, would rather start again from scratch tbh.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,711
    In principle never say never but in practice I cannot see it as any trust or faith in this regime has been eroded.

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  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,393
    Can't see that happening, a total change of approach would be required.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,255
    In hypothetical terms if they invested in the club, got us promoted whilst playing entertaining football, won some silverware, paid for my season ticket, whisked me to matches in Roly's private helicopter and sent Katrien on a course of therapy for recalcitrant liars, then the answer would be yes.

    Back in the real world, none if that is going to happen, so why would I?
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,114
    Yes by appointing Marc Wilmots
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,434
    Not a chance. They have known long enough how people feel and the response has verged on contempt. I will not be happy until they have gone, especially the loathsome Meire who I would single out as being the worst of the lot. RD is a billionaire and we all expect arrogance and madness from them. She is a jumped up nothing who has no excuse to behave as if she knows everything.
  • stonewallpenalty
    stonewallpenalty Posts: 3,842
    I don't think they want to. So no.
  • bromleyjohn
    bromleyjohn Posts: 5,998
    I think you always have to allow people to redeem themselves but especially after her interview where she declared fan as customer and Charlton as nursery for premiership, she would need a lobotomy to change from businessspeak to footballbusinesspeak and that is not going to happen. They would need a new ceo and a new manager (even riga back) as a minimum. I would rather see myself supporting Charlton as a proper football club and in a lower league than being with the current regime in the championship. Katrien has extinguished all hope of challenging even for a play-off place any season soon and that kills something inside for me.
  • Shrew
    Shrew Posts: 5,756
    Yep, if they employed a new CEO, director of football and invested in the team.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,172
    Henry Irving said:

    Yes but it would require a complete policy change and actions not words over two or three transfer windows as well as a sensible managerial appointment.

    This ...but it ain't gonna happen ...so, realistically, the answer is No.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,898
    edited January 2016
    Nope, with all that has gone on, least of all the contempt shown towards us there can be no turning back.

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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,247
    If RD sacked KF and KM, appointed a manager who knew the division and let him buy his own players then i'd be willing to accept him. That will never happen though, so he can fuck off as well.
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,201
    Nope
  • trickreed
    trickreed Posts: 44
    First Post...

    He didn't back down with Standard Liege and opted rather to get out.

    So no thanks, they have to go.
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,116
    Not a chance in hell
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230
    edited January 2016
    Yes they could still win me back.

    I still agree with what they originally said they wanted for the club in that first video interview, i.e. that the club would be run to be competitive in the Championship with ambition to get int the premier league with a focus on youth development and being a community based, supporters club.

    However, the reality of how they have run the club has not aligned well with that stated aim which is where they have lost me over the last few months, with the misleading 'Interim' appointment of Fraeye being the final straw for me.

    Relations between fans and the regime (particularly Meire) have probably reached the point of no return. However, personally, I don't really care that much about Roland or Meire's personality if they can can run the club the way they said they would. There has to be severe doubt that they are capable of doing it, particularly the bits about making it a supporters club, but IF they could change their ways then I'd be willing to forgive and forget.

    I'm fine with the concept of selling on our players to help the team and the academy develop and operate, it's a reality of the modern game for a club like us and something we have done to good effect in the past (Lee and Minto's sales helping keep the club afloat and the back to the valley campaign on track, the Bowyer money building Curbs play-off team, the Mills money keeping the team together after relegation and buying Deano, the Jenkinson money helping build CP's promotion team etc etc).

    The difference, I believe, between the way we have done things in the past and Roland's master plan is that as well as selling players like Bowyer, we also managed to keep players like Rufus and Newton who became key players in times of on field success , not means to improve the bottom line. I personally found Meire's recent statement about just selling all our players to the Premier League far more disturbing than the relatively harmless comparison between us and cinema goers.

    I want us fans to feel involved and wanted by our club and all that stuff does matter but, for me, as a fan living in another country who, even when I was a season ticket holder, follows the club for the football not the off-field politics, I can live with weird shit like having a NHS call centre in the ticket office if the results are going okay and I suspect that is really where they have lost the majority of the protesting fans. The other stuff is, to an extent, window dressing.

    If they start to take the football side of things seriously (immediately) then I'm willing to give them more time. By seriously I mean:

    - Appoint a manager or head coach properly qualified and experienced to work in the Championship.

    - Appoint a proper scouting network employed directly by CAFC.

    - Possibly appoint a Director of Football to take overall responsibility for playing performance away from the CEO and Roland.

    - Give scouting network, manager/head coach (and DofF) full responsibility for identifying the players they want to sign. The only input from the CEO or owner on transfers should be related to setting budgets, negotiating fees, and agreeing contracts, but it needs to be at the very least a budget realistic for a mid-table Championship side.

    - Don't change the manager every 20 games.

    - Continue to invest in the academy infrastructure with the intent of producing quality players for Charlton's first team, accepting that some may have to be sold to help balance the books, but that any excess cash from those sales will be put back into the club.

    - Ideally get Cat 1 academy status to help protect us from Premier League vultures and assist us in attracting the best young players, but don't go for just the minimum requirements to get Cat 1, aim to be the best academy in the country.

    Southampton have shown that there is balance between selling and retaining young players that can help lead to improved performance on the pitch and significant revenue for the club. I think that would be a decent model for us to follow. I have serious doubts that we will ever go that route under Roland's watch though.



  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,848
    edited January 2016
    No.

    Murray potentially could if he walked now or disclosed something in the future that made me sympathetic as to his position. But KM and RD are a stain on the history of OUR great club and insult to its supporters.

    As Marjorie said...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWNHFi4-7eo
  • Godstone
    Godstone Posts: 700
    Yes, if R.D shows a MASSIVE change in attitude and policy including attending matches.

    That is not impossible but is incredibly unlikely so it would be best for everyone if he sells up (without selling our best players).

    The man is a mystery to me. I suppose he is so convinced that he is doing the right thing that he can't see what everyone else - and not just Charlton fans, clearly do. I hope Peter Varney can help us out.
  • altrinchamaddick
    altrinchamaddick Posts: 955
    Yes for me. A great deal needs to be done to get the fans back onside, including reviewing the selection of manager, and getting a CEO that understands the passion that supporters have for the club. Roland needs to select employees based on their ability and not on their nationality.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,689
    Get a decent manager as a basic minimum and change the recruitment policy, which is shambolic, and that's just for starters.

    If Katrien is out of her depth, and for me the evidence thus far is that she is, why not bend the ear of Karen Brady ( I can't believe she didn't at the West Ham preseason game) to get some good tips.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,771
    If Roland sacked Katrien, got a proper manager that knows the league, got a proper chief scout and got a director of football (and let them run the football side), while investing smartly in the transfer market (not just in this window), then yes.

    Unfortunately there is more chance of me sleeping with Mila Kunis than all that happening.

    So, realistically, no. I'm done.

    Roland, Katrien and Karel ... it's time to go.

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