Could THEY still win YOU back?

[Deleted User]

Any removal vans at the Valley today?

seth plum

Roland says he can't compete with thousands of football fans sounding off on the internet, so they get dismissed, he reckons everybody has the wrong approach to civil life so he tries to form a political party, he says Alan Turing was a misunderstood genius like him, and he has been telling us stuff all along but we just won't listen. Roland says football has got it all wrong and ihe s riding to the rescue.
This looks to me like a man who brooks no opposition to his world view, and he can dismiss dissent with a wave of the hand. Roland is right whatever. This is what we're up against and I fear Karel and Katrien are already brainwashed.

ForeverAddickted

I guess they're just finalising the latest PowerPoint presentation, making sure that the animations all work properly, ensuring that KM's strings are hidden etc etc.

Karim_myBagheri

yes, but only if they give me their money and I run the club for them. what's the worse that could happen?

i_b_b_o_r_g

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

No.

Murray potentially could if he walked now or disclosed something in the future that made me sympathetic as to his position. But KM and RD are a stain on the history of OUR great club and insult to its supporters.

As Marjorie said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWNHFi4-7eo

Cringe

soapboxsam

PL54 said:

North Korea seem to have cash to burn at the moment - they could probably convince RD to sell.

At least we would win matches under The North Korean regime,
With 100% agreement among staff and fans Where the FA cup and Championship title would be a Given ?

Well according to our new head of Comms: Wi Won Loads.

PragueAddick

Ok, let me throw a scenario in

RD is a data man, and not a talking man. This much we know.

He is sitting there looking at his KPIs for his clubs

Ujpest, Alcorcon and Jena are all doing better than last season on the pitch, and to the best of my knowledge, fan unrest is either dying down (Ujpest), sorted (Jena) or never existed (Alcorcon). I don't know but I believe all three are showing increases at the gate too (albeit modest). Certainly at Jena.

Then he looks at Charlton. Alone among the four, this one, the biggest, is a disaster on the field, revenue from match day is rapidly falling too, and the protests are reaching the Belgian media.

What would you do, in his shoes?

And if he does what I think most of you would do, for the reasons outlined above, then what?

mogodon

But @PragueAddick, CAFC is now the jewel in his (admittedly pretty cheap) crown and his thinking comes second to his ego and the belief he knows best. Always. My fear is he has deep pockets allied to that self-belief and he will carry on regardless, convinced he is right and so his ideas will work so the fans will come flooding back and success on the field is guaranteed

skywalker

Would you mind having this one as a head coach ? He's free for the moment ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ceulemans

Garrymanilow

They could absolutely win me back. Despite it all I actually don't care much about the owners of a football club and it's a sign of what a mess we're in that we're even talking about them. If they continued to invest in infrastructure, hired a decent manager, communicated honestly and effectively, showed they understand and the respect the nature of football fans and the history of the club, brought in players for more than just fattening up and selling on and at least tried to tilt towards the Prem then sure. But then this is the minimum you expect from owners and it's a tall order for them to make all this ground up.

My expectations aren't even that high; I'm not saying we have to splash millions to aim for promotion, I'm just asking that we sign players with the intent of making a fist of going up, and sign players to play for the club, rather than with a view to waving them off at a profit. I'm not asking that we hire a manager to take us to the Champions League, just that we appoint a manager based on a logical decision. Not all managers work out, and you can't legislate for it not working necessarily, but if they at least had a proper interview process, set out a sensible criteria - understanding of the English league, and if not that at the very least strong experience in player acquisition, tactics, promotion, scrapping in a physical league - then I could support the decision. If we got in Garry Monk for instance, he might fail, but at least the club would have hired someone who knows playing in every level of the Football League, has Premier League experience and is capable of working to a specific brief laid out by the club as well as recommending and integrating players for a system. If he fails he fails, but at least the ownership could say they had a plan when they did it rather than fobbing us off with bullshit about some footballing nobody being the 'right man' because some bloke who hasn't been to The Valley in over a year 'trusts him'. Katrien treats us like we want too much and we ask for the moon, but only three teams go up and you don't see all the other teams' fans raging at their board, because we can accept treading water and we can accept mediocrity as long as we feel money earned by the club is going back into the club, the club's legacy is retained, and we have some kind of connection with what's going on on the pitch. What we can't put up with is feeling the club is being slowly inched out of our grasp until it's just another faceless company.

They can still fix it and I'll go back to not caring who they are and cheering the team I love. It's not going to happen though, is it?

ForeverAddickted

skywalker said:

Would you mind having this one as a head coach ? He's free for the moment ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ceulemans

He used to be in charge of a club that sounds like Dense? - Get.him.in!!!!

skywalker

ForeverAddickted said:

skywalker said:

Would you mind having this one as a head coach ? He's free for the moment ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ceulemans

He used to be in charge of a club that sounds like Dense? - Get.him.in!!!!

I understand you would prefer a British manager, but still ... Jan Ceulemans would be a lot better compared with KF . And he's the opposite of an "yes man" ...

Dazzler21

Well they just lost a couple of points...

guinnessaddick

What ever chance there was this morning, it's gone now.

WestCountryAddick

skywalker said:

Would you mind having this one as a head coach ? He's free for the moment ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ceulemans

Yes I would mind. Yet another Belgian with no experience of English football. How about a manager (of any nationality) that has some decent experience of English football? I don't think it's too much to ask ffs.

addick1965

guinnessaddick said:

What ever chance there was this morning, it's gone now.

This..with knobs on!!!

JiMMy 85

Addickted2TheReds said:

If Roland sacked Katrien, got a proper manager that knows the league, got a proper chief scout and got a director of football (and let them run the football side), while investing smartly in the transfer market (not just in this window), then yes.

Unfortunately there is more chance of me sleeping with Mila Kunis than all that happening.

So, realistically, no. I'm done.

Roland, Katrien and Karel ... it's time to go.

Totally agree with this.

Katrien has to go. I'm genuinely surprised she hasn't already. She's looking more stupid with each passing day of silence.

Roland can still make it a success. He won't, so I wish he would give up, but if he chose to do the Curbs/ Powell/ five-year investment plan then I'd be perfectly happy to let him.

mogodon

Addickted2TheReds said:

If Roland sacked Katrien, got a proper manager that knows the league, got a proper chief scout and got a director of football (and let them run the football side), while investing smartly in the transfer market (not just in this window), then yes.

Unfortunately there is more chance of me sleeping with Mila Kunis than all that happening.

So, realistically, no. I'm done.

Roland, Katrien and Karel ... it's time to go.

After today's speech from the bunker, add Murray to the list

Simon E

After today's "statement". No, they will never win me back under any circumstance. The damage is irreparable. Roland, Katrien, David, Richard, and Karel must all go!!!

Tunwellsaddick

They may talk the talk but they will never walk the walk. It's a NO from me.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

They're not going to change so it's a no from me.

Club has been a shambles since Curbs left. The ludicrous appointment of Dowie started it - RM has to take a lot of the blame not just the current owner.

T

For me yes they can.

For me the strategy they outlined is fine, providing they stick to it. Not fussed about spending loads in an attempt to go up. But i want us to be being competitive like Bournemouth or Watford were on a smallish budget selling the occasional player at their highest price, rather than conveyor belt sales at low prices.

However the imbeciles they have asked to carry out the task of achieving the strategy are the problem...

They also need an administrator that understands football so the CEO has to go (which sounds like a slogan they yell in the US). And the entire football side needs a total overhaul. Need a Director of Football, Chief Scout, Head Coach.

Do that and i don't care if the Owner never comes to a game again.

tangoflash

soapy_jones said:

No. Poisonous to my football club, would rather start again from scratch tbh.

Your football club????


Wierd.........

Fanny Fanackapan

mogodon said:

Southbank said:

What are the odds the statement today will include Fraeye being made permanent?

Not even this mob are that stupid. More likely he will be thrown to the wolves to appease the peasants.

Hardly think Kenny Jackett would welcome his advice...

Wheresmeticket

I don't care what they say. What would it take?

2 years of consistent investment in the playing squad
Only sell players when it makes sense for our performance on the pitch and we can replace intelligently
Recruit and support an experienced manager and scouting team
Communicate with fans,
Reinstate meaningful fan representation on the board.

Then I will rethink my position.

Stig

Just look at some of the good times. There could have been more like this.



If The Grinch hadn't stole Charlton.

ForeverAddickted

Simon E said:

After today's "statement". No, they will never win me back under any circumstance. The damage is irreparable. Roland, Katrien, David, Richard, and Karel must all go!!!

Who's David?

RedChaser

ForeverAddickted said:

Simon E said:

After today's "statement". No, they will never win me back under any circumstance. The damage is irreparable. Roland, Katrien, David, Richard, and Karel must all go!!!

Who's David?

Joyes, Chief Finance Officer?

BartleyPark

They must go. RM's non-statement yesterday just triple underlined that. They won't shift from their failing system. KM, RD, KF all need to go,

Dippenhall

I don't care who owns the club as long as their is a change of policy.

Roland could in a moment acknowledge:-

1. He needs policies which take due account of the conflicting interests of fans and the owners - this requires a dialogue
2. That policies should be reviewed in the light of experiences, taking account of objective views of supporters - this requires a dialogue
3. The immediate, overriding change of policy must be employing competent managers with appropriate knowledge and experience that can be applied to the league we are competing in - Current policy is employ compliant people you trust regardless of ability.
3. Policies which work for manufacturing micro processors do not work for running a football club - RD must abandon unilateral control of policy.

Whether he can, or will, is another matter.