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What is our Managerial situation? **Andy Hughes Has His Say - Page 3**
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I just want to see some evidence that what I think is going to happen isn't. But I accept that it doesn't have to happen this minute - although the sooner it does, the sooner I will sleep easier.0
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Hand picking a cheap option squad that could guarantee championship survival would be an achievement in itself. The Championship is a tough league. Scraping survival year on year would mean losses year on year. Do you really think that RD based on his unbelievable business success would view that as anything but failure. He has bought the club and has a plan. He wants the value of that investment to rise. That means adding value to the football club. I don't think for one minute think he will splash cash for which I am happy but I think there will be a plan to grow year on year.MrLargo said:
What do you class as failing? Cos I reckon, from what I've seen so far, that Charlton scraping to survival in the Championship with a team of Network players would be deemed as reasonably successful by Duchatelet - he would, after all, not be incurring any significant extra costs as he's already paying these players' wages elsewhere anyway. I think most supporters would class that as a failure - certainly I can't imagine that any Charlton fan would class that as a success.ShootersHillGuru said:
Next week would be fine by me. If it's not Riga then it's because RD thinks the alternative is better. I don't believe he has invested in Charlton to see us fail. Let's wait and see what happens. Even if we have never heard of him let's not go into meltdown. How many of us had heard of Jose ?
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Don't get the not playing the network players argument. Surely players playing for Charlton are now network players too2
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Is it seriously causing you sleep issues ?MuttleyCAFC said:I just want to see some evidence that what I think is going to happen isn't. But I accept that it doesn't have to happen this minute - although the sooner it does, the sooner I will sleep easier.
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On the budget we had under the previous ownership, which left us with a paper thin squad, it was certainly a success that we stayed up last season. Whilst I certainly have no interest in defending Jiminez and Slater, the reason for that low budget seemed to be because they ran out of cash and needed to sell.Yann897 said:
On the budget we had it was a success we stayed up last season .MrLargo said:
What do you class as failing? Cos I reckon, from what I've seen so far, that Charlton scraping to survival in the Championship with a team of Network players would be deemed as reasonably successful by Duchatelet - he would, after all, not be incurring any significant extra costs as he's already paying these players' wages elsewhere anyway. I think most supporters would class that as a failure - certainly I can't imagine that any Charlton fan would class that as a success.ShootersHillGuru said:
Next week would be fine by me. If it's not Riga then it's because RD thinks the alternative is better. I don't believe he has invested in Charlton to see us fail. Let's wait and see what happens. Even if we have never heard of him let's not go into meltdown. How many of us had heard of Jose ?
If Duchatelet has bought us with the intention of sustaining us on the same low budget as the previous owners then surely that can only be a bad thing?0 -
To be fair Riga managed the first two games without signing a contract as far as we're aware he might have already agreed to take the job and going through player recruitment with rd.
or he's signed and the comms team have just not let us know like everything else at the moment
Of failing that he's just not getting the job .0 -
You don't need a manger to sign players, but players do want to know who will be manager before they sign. We're not like Utd, where players will sign because it's Manchester United. At lower league clubs players are going to want assurances.Athletico Charlton said:Why would not having a manager be an issue to signing players. There are many posters on here, far more qualified than Hughes, who have long since put my mind at rest that having a manager is irrelevant to us as they will not be signing the players anyway and Man Utd bid on a player when they did not have a manager and we are comparable to them!
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Thanks Rob62for pointing that out - the renowned and reliable source of RichCawleySLP (who is I am sure is very welcome at partes as well !)Rob62 said:
The source is Richard Cawley not DiscoEnergyvff said:
From the renowned and reliable source DiscoEnergy (who is very welcome at parties).roseandcrown said:Crawley on twitter replied to someone as below on Riga.
@DiscoEnergy 1h
@RichCawleySLP you heard anything about Rigas contract?
Richard Cawley @RichCawleySLP 34m
@DiscoEnergy Expectation is that he won't be back.
I wonder who's expectations are those ? BTW.0 -
I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet. I was not happy when Powell got the sack but it turns out that was probably the right decision. Let's just see what happens before we worry too much.0
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It's taken approximately four months but Yann is showing early signs of being charltonised5
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Yann897 said:
I'm not worried yet.JessieAddick said:Andy Hughes' said exactly what many of us have been saying for some time. I wish I could just say 'let's wait and see' but I can't. The current situation looks really worrying.
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I won't be panicking, but i'll be peed off and scratching my head like a nit victim. If he is not our manager it will be for one of three reasons:tom- k said:I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet.
1. He's been offered late in the day a much better job than Charlton.
2. Duchatelet doesn't rate him
3. Duchatelet is impressed by him, and wants him now to manage his 'main team'
If the first one happens, then that's life, even though it could possibly have been avoided by striking quickly when he started going public that he wants the job (and it would be an educated guess that he had already made that clear in private).
If its 2, then that's just plain bizarre as he clearly could not have done any better than he did.
If its 3, then it will simply slam home exactly the pitfalls of this 'network relationship'.
You can't overestimate just how grateful Duchatelet should be to Riga. He helped save the club from relegation, replaced one of the most popular with his own fans* managers in game, and come out of it smelling of roses and everyone's affections. He helped RD swerve a massive curveball and potential supporter unrest.
Rocking the apple cart again simply wouldn't make sense? If he is going to be our manager why create such unecessary uncertainty?
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exactly , remember him dismissing the concerns of myself and a few others with his over the top ridiculously optimistic view on all things CharltonAFKABartram said:
You were also SR last summer praising the good business that had been done, and expected us to finish higher than the 9th of the previous season.seriously_red said:
Why 9th? Is that because you wish to look forwards to next season or look back to 2012-13 and CAFC under Powell?PragueAddick said:
What, you mean as high as 9th???seriously_red said:Of one thing I am 100% certain: we will not be appointing the likes of Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson! I both hope and expect the next head coach to be Riga or someone equal or better. Why go backwards? What I saw of Riga leads me to suggest he could take us to the top ten or even top six over the next 18 months.
No pressure Roland
Let's not be afraid of the future and enjoy the season to come. Personally I'm looking forward to the announcement of the head coach, the retained list and next season's fixtures.
No offence, but no everyone always sees things as positive as you do. And just because they don't, it doesn't make them perrenial doom-mongers or permanent posters of 'negative shit'.1 -
Yeah CharltonLifeised , I'm not worried / panicking or whatever yet but I do agree it is a bit strange that Riga hasn't been appointed yet , but rd got it right with Riga before maybe he thinks he can do better who knows.mrbligh said:It's taken approximately four months but Yann is showing early signs of being charltonised
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And repeatedly telling us how not signing up key first teamers was all part of a cunning plan by TJ and MS.oohaahmortimer said:
exactly , remember him dismissing the concerns of myself and a few others with his over the top ridiculously optimistic view on all things CharltonAFKABartram said:
You were also SR last summer praising the good business that had been done, and expected us to finish higher than the 9th of the previous season.seriously_red said:
Why 9th? Is that because you wish to look forwards to next season or look back to 2012-13 and CAFC under Powell?PragueAddick said:
What, you mean as high as 9th???seriously_red said:Of one thing I am 100% certain: we will not be appointing the likes of Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson! I both hope and expect the next head coach to be Riga or someone equal or better. Why go backwards? What I saw of Riga leads me to suggest he could take us to the top ten or even top six over the next 18 months.
No pressure Roland
Let's not be afraid of the future and enjoy the season to come. Personally I'm looking forward to the announcement of the head coach, the retained list and next season's fixtures.
No offence, but no everyone always sees things as positive as you do. And just because they don't, it doesn't make them perrenial doom-mongers or permanent posters of 'negative shit'.1 -
There are clearly other alternatives.AFKABartram said:
I won't be panicking, but i'll be peed off and scratching my head like a nit victim. If he is not our manager it will be for one of three reasons:tom- k said:I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet.
1. He's been offered late in the day a much better job than Charlton.
2. Duchatelet doesn't rate him
3. Duchatelet is impressed by him, and wants him now to manage his 'main team'
If the first one happens, then that's life, even though it could possibly have been avoided by striking quickly when he started going public that he wants the job (and it would be an educated guess that he had already made that clear in private).
If its 2, then that's just plain bizarre as he clearly could not have done any better than he did.
If its 3, then it will simply slam home exactly the pitfalls of this 'network relationship'.
You can't overestimate just how grateful Duchatelet should be to Riga. He helped save the club from relegation, replaced one of the most popular with his own fans* managers in game, and come out of it smelling of roses and everyone's affections. He helped RD swerve a massive curveball and potential supporter unrest.
Rocking the apple cart again simply wouldn't make sense? If he is going to be our manager why create such unecessary uncertainty?
RD already had someone lined up for the job at the end of the season and never envisaged Riga being at Charlton.
Riga wants to explore all the options open to him.
Riga and RD can't agree a package or are still working on it ?
I'm sure there are more.
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Maybe Riga has said that he wants to be able to choose the players he wants and play who he wants. Maybe RD would be against this.ShootersHillGuru said:
There are clearly other alternatives.AFKABartram said:
I won't be panicking, but i'll be peed off and scratching my head like a nit victim. If he is not our manager it will be for one of three reasons:tom- k said:I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet.
1. He's been offered late in the day a much better job than Charlton.
2. Duchatelet doesn't rate him
3. Duchatelet is impressed by him, and wants him now to manage his 'main team'
If the first one happens, then that's life, even though it could possibly have been avoided by striking quickly when he started going public that he wants the job (and it would be an educated guess that he had already made that clear in private).
If its 2, then that's just plain bizarre as he clearly could not have done any better than he did.
If its 3, then it will simply slam home exactly the pitfalls of this 'network relationship'.
You can't overestimate just how grateful Duchatelet should be to Riga. He helped save the club from relegation, replaced one of the most popular with his own fans* managers in game, and come out of it smelling of roses and everyone's affections. He helped RD swerve a massive curveball and potential supporter unrest.
Rocking the apple cart again simply wouldn't make sense? If he is going to be our manager why create such unecessary uncertainty?
RD already had someone lined up for the job at the end of the season and never envisaged Riga being at Charlton.
Riga wants to explore all the options open to him.
Riga and RD can't agree a package or are still working on it ?
I'm sure there are more.
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Fair enough, though (i personally) don't see any of those options as being true.ShootersHillGuru said:
There are clearly other alternatives.AFKABartram said:
I won't be panicking, but i'll be peed off and scratching my head like a nit victim. If he is not our manager it will be for one of three reasons:tom- k said:I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet.
1. He's been offered late in the day a much better job than Charlton.
2. Duchatelet doesn't rate him
3. Duchatelet is impressed by him, and wants him now to manage his 'main team'
If the first one happens, then that's life, even though it could possibly have been avoided by striking quickly when he started going public that he wants the job (and it would be an educated guess that he had already made that clear in private).
If its 2, then that's just plain bizarre as he clearly could not have done any better than he did.
If its 3, then it will simply slam home exactly the pitfalls of this 'network relationship'.
You can't overestimate just how grateful Duchatelet should be to Riga. He helped save the club from relegation, replaced one of the most popular with his own fans* managers in game, and come out of it smelling of roses and everyone's affections. He helped RD swerve a massive curveball and potential supporter unrest.
Rocking the apple cart again simply wouldn't make sense? If he is going to be our manager why create such unecessary uncertainty?
RD already had someone lined up for the job at the end of the season and never envisaged Riga being at Charlton.
Riga wants to explore all the options open to him.
Riga and RD can't agree a package or are still working on it ?
I'm sure there are more.
Riga and RD have worked together before, known each other years, and was jettisoned in here at short notice without even a contract in place. 1 if true could easily be worked around given how things have panned out, 2 and 3 are simply unlikely imo given the relationship.
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Think you may have hit the nail firmly on its head, Mutts.MuttleyCAFC said:My worry is that Riga is his own man and whilst that was fine when we were desperate, his approach may not be compatible with the network plan. Note his preference for existing players over network players when he managed us. Note also the frustration the network had with Chrissy over not rating/picking the players they had brought in. I have said all along - the first sign of things getting better will be the signing of Riga. I have never thought this would be a certainty though for the potential reasons above. We all know RD has a vision - we have to pray that it isn't boll***s.
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To be fair my second point should state RD wants to explore all his options.AFKABartram said:
Fair enough, though (i personally) don't see any of those options as being true.ShootersHillGuru said:
There are clearly other alternatives.AFKABartram said:
I won't be panicking, but i'll be peed off and scratching my head like a nit victim. If he is not our manager it will be for one of three reasons:tom- k said:I like Riga and hope he gets the job. That being said if he doesn't, I wont be panicking just yet.
1. He's been offered late in the day a much better job than Charlton.
2. Duchatelet doesn't rate him
3. Duchatelet is impressed by him, and wants him now to manage his 'main team'
If the first one happens, then that's life, even though it could possibly have been avoided by striking quickly when he started going public that he wants the job (and it would be an educated guess that he had already made that clear in private).
If its 2, then that's just plain bizarre as he clearly could not have done any better than he did.
If its 3, then it will simply slam home exactly the pitfalls of this 'network relationship'.
You can't overestimate just how grateful Duchatelet should be to Riga. He helped save the club from relegation, replaced one of the most popular with his own fans* managers in game, and come out of it smelling of roses and everyone's affections. He helped RD swerve a massive curveball and potential supporter unrest.
Rocking the apple cart again simply wouldn't make sense? If he is going to be our manager why create such unecessary uncertainty?
RD already had someone lined up for the job at the end of the season and never envisaged Riga being at Charlton.
Riga wants to explore all the options open to him.
Riga and RD can't agree a package or are still working on it ?
I'm sure there are more.
Riga and RD have worked together before, known each other years, and was jettisoned in here at short notice without even a contract in place. 1 if true could easily be worked around given how things have panned out, 2 and 3 are simply unlikely imo given the relationship.
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So many comments, just same people repeating themselves over and over - you may as well exchange phone number and text each other.4
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Or easier still just post on a forum.SparrowHawk said:So many comments, just same people repeating themselves over and over - you may as well exchange phone number and text each other.
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Hughes: "They [Charlton] are going to miss recruitment. Other clubs are moving on players. They [Charlton] are missing out."
What recruitment, exactly? Duchatelet made it perfectly clear months ago that he won't pay transfer fees and instead we must rely on our own academy and second-rate loans from his absurd 'network'.1 -
Please find me where he said this ?Viewfinder said:Hughes: "They [Charlton] are going to miss recruitment. Other clubs are moving on players. They [Charlton] are missing out."
What recruitment, exactly? Duchatelet made it perfectly clear months ago that he won't pay transfer fees and instead we must rely on our own academy and second-rate loans from the absurd 'network'.0 -
Now that's a big fib !Viewfinder said:Hughes: "They [Charlton] are going to miss recruitment. Other clubs are moving on players. They [Charlton] are missing out."
What recruitment, exactly? Duchatelet made it perfectly clear months ago that he won't pay transfer fees and instead we must rely on our own academy and second-rate loans from his absurd 'network'.
I reckon he had someone else in mind maybe promised them the job & now has a dilemna.
Either that or it's a manager still working, because their season hasn't finished (probably Belgian).3 -
RD only ever saw him as a short term fix and wants a specific type of person to fill the role longer term?1
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razil said:
RD only ever saw him as a short term fix and wants a specific type of person to fill the role longer term?
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I'm looking at it differently and I'm more then likely very wrong but..
All these meetings I'm seeing example " Riga D day meeting with Roland " I have seen 3 meetings that have ment to have happened since the end of the season , I have a feeling that all these "meetings " may actually be Jose and RD meeting up discussing new targets and who to release etc and contract offers
Maybe there are finer details that need to be sorted but I reckon they are 90% there in agreeing a deal
Seems a little crazy but you never know but I do feel asif riga is advising RD over current affairs in some way
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Right.
With exam season upon us time for some serious research and revision. This is not a quick and simple task in my post.
Lets consider:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9421702.stm
Combined with:
http://www.cogitraining.com/en/about_us/staff
The major link between the two articles is a chap called Michel Bruyninckx, and the point being that there is a direct connection with Jose Riga. There is also a hugely intellectual/scientific angle in the approach (Cogi) that would appear ( from some stuff we know of the man) to have an appeal to the intellect of Roland Duchatelet.
All well and good so far. There appears to be some meat on the bones of a plan regarding emphasis on the Academy and the benefits of a style of coaching, the development of Sparrows Lane screams this out anyway. So there is a plan of sorts going on it seems. It may be brilliant, or it may be Baldrickesque I have no idea, but it seems to be something Jose Riga has commitment to.
This brings me on to whether Jose Riga will be our manager in the future. My reading is that a coaching intellectual, a decent intelligent man in Jose Riga was invited to break away from his usual zone of operations to save Charlton from relegation. It was achieved by a combination of quick learning, good fortune, teamwork with others, skilled management and a nice confident demeanour, and it was an excellent achievement leading everybody to survival.
Now what may be the dilemma. Having had a taste, and liked it, maybe Jose Riga wants to stay around rather than return to his usual sphere of influence but that will mean he has to adapt to the bitter demands of the championship, and all that that entails. He thinks he can do it apparently, as do most Charlton supporters.
However Roland may be thinking:
'hang on a minute, it's one thing doing a rescue act, it is another thing preparing for 2014-2015 in the Championship. In a league where theory will get you only so far, can Jose muster the other qualities needed to plan a whole campaign, and then be successful?'
There is a difference between an emergency visit from the RAC man, and the full on main dealer scheduled annual service and MOT!
Jose Riga may well be the right choice, but not obviously so. The Cogi system may well be the magic dust of success across all of our teams, and for all our players, but we can't be sure just yet.
To me it is not all cut and dried and simple.
I am glad we seem to be moving further away from the wall punching fist pumping approach (btw Powell was not in that mold) to a more developed approach to football at Charlton, however to make it all work we must be sure we can score goals and win matches in this toughest of divisions. The context within which the first team play must never be forgotten when weighing up the options.
OK. exam tomorrow 9.30, see-through pencil cases and no mobiles please folks.
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Has anyone told Andy Hughes to "Move On" yet?7
