The big turning point was Leeds' relegation. We all thought/hoped it would inject some sanity into football, make clubs spend less crazily and actually worry about sustainability. What actually happened was the big clubs made sure the new deals guaranteed them more money and a more uneven playing field, so none of them could ever suffer Leeds' fate.
My favourite source for understanding all the shite is Tom Bower's book "Broken Dreams", which details how the whole dirty deal was done. It is a marvellous book (albeit you will feel like jumping in the bath afterwards to wash away all the slime). It has a complete chapter on Harry Redknapp, with the mind-boggling stat that while at West Ham he signed 144 players in 7 years...
wow! Thats a new squad every season pretty much?
there are a few things in the book that would be regarded as libellous by 'Arry, he just seems to be taking rather a long time getting his lawyers onto the case.
The writer states 'My real name? I’ll tell you when CAFC tell us who really owns the club. But I’m not Airman Brown, Henry Irving or AFKA Bartram in case you were wondering'.
I was not wondering if it was any of those three.
Blimey, what did I do wrong to get mixed in with the 'Principals of Popularity' ?????
The writer states 'My real name? I’ll tell you when CAFC tell us who really owns the club. But I’m not Airman Brown, Henry Irving or AFKA Bartram in case you were wondering'.
My favourite source for understanding all the shite is Tom Bower's book "Broken Dreams", which details how the whole dirty deal was done. It is a marvellous book (albeit you will feel like jumping in the bath afterwards to wash away all the slime). It has a complete chapter on Harry Redknapp, with the mind-boggling stat that while at West Ham he signed 144 players in 7 years...
wow! Thats a new squad every season pretty much?
there are a few things in the book that would be regarded as libellous by 'Arry, he just seems to be taking rather a long time getting his lawyers onto the case.
The writer states 'My real name? I’ll tell you when CAFC tell us who really owns the club. But I’m not Airman Brown, Henry Irving or AFKA Bartram in case you were wondering'.
I was not wondering if it was any of those three.
Blimey, what did I do wrong to get mixed in with the 'Principals of Popularity' ?????
The writer states 'My real name? I’ll tell you when CAFC tell us who really owns the club. But I’m not Airman Brown, Henry Irving or AFKA Bartram in case you were wondering'.
At least Man U, Arse, Liverpool generated the income to spend big - fair play to 'em. Chelsea and Man City totally different, don't think (not really sure tho' tbh) I'd want us like that
They only managed to do that because they screwed over every other club much worse then City or Chelsea have done, they just did it back in the so called "glory days" of football when money didnt matter, which is laughable.
Sorry Gretna - you have lost me with that one, I don't like any of the clubs I mentioned, they made money thru' winning, big crowds, merchandise and kept re-investing - who and how did they screw over ?
I don't have long but the basic principle is that Arsenal/Utd/Liverpool with the other bigger European clubs made the system that rewarded them much more then there league opponents, which helped make a gulf of finances, the system was so corrupt it has meant the only way for any team to on a regular basis change things is if they have a big investor, if they had never created the corrupt system then we would not have the need for clubs like City/Chelsea to do what they do.
Ideally we would not have them spending hundreds of millions on players but blame those clubs not City/Chelsea.
Defending those clubs is like the people who think we should all still bow to the royals, keep everyone in there place.
Hope that helps but im in a bit of a rush.
GGA
I generally agree with you. You are referring to the consolidation - rigging perhaps, of TV money into the hands of the few when it could have been more sensibly divided to create amore equal and more healthy football industry.
I would add to this that, the FAPL deal preceded the Champions League deal, and is far more damaging to English football, and had global repercussions. And Ken Bates was one of the prime movers of the FAPL deal so don't spare Chelsea, please. They were run by an English **** before the Russian one took it off his hands.
Thanks for the extra info/view im always interested in the more factual discussion over the general football fan/pundit nonsense.
Im also sure you could have written up what i was trying to explain a lot better then me, especially as i was attempting to do it within a minute and after a few pints celebrating the birthday of a close friend.
My favourite source for understanding all the shite is Tom Bower's book "Broken Dreams", which details how the whole dirty deal was done. It is a marvellous book (albeit you will feel like jumping in the bath afterwards to wash away all the slime). It has a complete chapter on Harry Redknapp, with the mind-boggling stat that while at West Ham he signed 144 players in 7 years...
wow! Thats a new squad every season pretty much?
Yep. Bower reels off a few names and I remember thinking " yeah I remember that name...but he never actually played for 'em" . There was one who did play. Anyone remember Marco Boogers? He was so useless that GLR ( beloved forerunner to BBC London) developed a bit of a thing about him. they obviously smelt a rat- but he actually appeared, at least. Of course one of the 144 was Jermain Defoe, but sadly Bower doesn't delve into that.
nobody ever sued Bower. Nobody even kicked up a fuss. That's why I believe the book, and must get another copy, once Amazon start paying corporation tax. He also refers to Richard Murray as "saintly", in the context of being one of the few ready to share out the TV money more equally.
At least Man U, Arse, Liverpool generated the income to spend big - fair play to 'em. Chelsea and Man City totally different, don't think (not really sure tho' tbh) I'd want us like that
They only managed to do that because they screwed over every other club much worse then City or Chelsea have done, they just did it back in the so called "glory days" of football when money didnt matter, which is laughable.
Sorry Gretna - you have lost me with that one, I don't like any of the clubs I mentioned, they made money thru' winning, big crowds, merchandise and kept re-investing - who and how did they screw over ?
I don't have long but the basic principle is that Arsenal/Utd/Liverpool with the other bigger European clubs made the system that rewarded them much more then there league opponents, which helped make a gulf of finances, the system was so corrupt it has meant the only way for any team to on a regular basis change things is if they have a big investor, if they had never created the corrupt system then we would not have the need for clubs like City/Chelsea to do what they do.
Ideally we would not have them spending hundreds of millions on players but blame those clubs not City/Chelsea.
Defending those clubs is like the people who think we should all still bow to the royals, keep everyone in there place.
Lay off Reams and ITTV. It only leads to silly insults and threats.
Actually Reams clearly does have a good source (and I think I know who it is as I once had dealings with them) and what he is being told is similar to what others are being told.
Nearly everything he has said on ITTV had been bouncing around in text messages or inboxs for a while before he posted it on his site.
Of course that doesn't make all or any of it true. Some of the stories on here and there are just that, stories and some will be news leaked on purpose.
What Reams hasn't considered why this months rumour doesn't match last months hence we have been taken over by Arabs, Russians and now Turks and that's just this season.
The Koc story does have a basis in fact but its not the done deal some were saying it was. In fact I was told it was done but obviously not.
The rumour that the SLP was banned by the club for running the Koc story suggests TJ and/or MS are very sensative about it. That in itself is odd as the Koc family were seen in the Directors box and many who were in there were given the impression it was done.
Maybe the deal has fallen through when due dillagence turned up some unsettled legal cases and strange accounting practices? Maybe TJ wants to keep a slice of the club and Koc don't.
Maybe we'll be told one day but don't hold your breath.
We have now reached such a stage of secrecy that the senior managers no longer have their emails listed in the programme. I wonder why.
Lay off Reams and ITTV. It only leads to silly insults and threats.
Actually Reams clearly does have a good source (and I think I know who it is as I once had dealings with them) and what he is being told is similar to what others are being told.
Nearly everything he has said on ITTV had been bouncing around in text messages or inboxs for a while before he posted it on his site.
Of course that doesn't make all or any of it true. Some of the stories on here and there are just that, stories and some will be news leaked on purpose.
What Reams hasn't considered why this months rumour doesn't match last months hence we have been taken over by Arabs, Russians and now Turks and that's just this season.
The Koc story does have a basis in fact but its not the done deal some were saying it was. In fact I was told it was done but obviously not.
The rumour that the SLP was banned by the club for running the Koc story suggests TJ and/or MS are very sensative about it. That in itself is odd as the Koc family were seen in the Directors box and many who were in there were given the impression it was done.
Maybe the deal has fallen through when due dillagence turned up some unsettled legal cases and strange accounting practices? Maybe TJ wants to keep a slice of the club and Koc don't.
Maybe we'll be told one day but don't hold your breath. We have now reached such a stage of secrecy that the senior managers no longer have their emails listed in the programme. I wonder why.
The deal (and there are multiple offers) won't be going through until July/August next year, though funds are available for CP in the January transfer window......
The deal (and there are multiple offers) won't be going through until July/August next year, though funds are available for CP in the January transfer window......
If there are interested parties and they have put in different offers why would it take eight months. ?
The deal (and there are multiple offers) won't be going through until July/August next year, though funds are available for CP in the January transfer window......
If there are interested parties and they have put in different offers why would it take eight months. ?
In fairness how long has the Leeds takeover rambling on for ... Leeds who ironically have an identical ownership set up to us
The deal (and there are multiple offers) won't be going through until July/August next year, though funds are available for CP in the January transfer window......
I see we're already playing Xmas party games, supaclive.
Due Diligence is an incredibly thankless task and is often the stage at which a deal goes one way or another. It is time consuming and creates a lot of follow up traffic, meaning that there could well be a "slow down". If the Koc deal is not just a rumour it is entirely feasible that this is where it is at the moment.
The deal (and there are multiple offers) won't be going through until July/August next year, though funds are available for CP in the January transfer window......
I seem to remember there are 2 people with very similar names on this site along the line of supaclive....one talks endless made up bollox in the hope that one day they will say something that comes true (still waiting)...which are you?
They're not going to rush into taking the wrong deal - they have four offers (five, but they don't believe one of the offers), so they will take their time and choose the right deal.... allegedly
They're not going to rush into taking the wrong deal - they have four offers (five, but they don't believe one of the offers), so they will take their time and choose the right deal.... allegedly
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there are a few things in the book that would be regarded as libellous by 'Arry, he just seems to be taking rather a long time getting his lawyers onto the case.
Why is that, I wonder...
you can go off people, you know
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nobody ever sued Bower. Nobody even kicked up a fuss. That's why I believe the book, and must get another copy, once Amazon start paying corporation tax. He also refers to Richard Murray as "saintly", in the context of being one of the few ready to share out the TV money more equally.
True. Although I am not sure it was so early. I think Man U was the prime mover.
Actually Reams clearly does have a good source (and I think I know who it is as I once had dealings with them) and what he is being told is similar to what others are being told.
Nearly everything he has said on ITTV had been bouncing around in text messages or inboxs for a while before he posted it on his site.
Of course that doesn't make all or any of it true. Some of the stories on here and there are just that, stories and some will be news leaked on purpose.
What Reams hasn't considered why this months rumour doesn't match last months hence we have been taken over by Arabs, Russians and now Turks and that's just this season.
The Koc story does have a basis in fact but its not the done deal some were saying it was. In fact I was told it was done but obviously not.
The rumour that the SLP was banned by the club for running the Koc story suggests TJ and/or MS are very sensative about it. That in itself is odd as the Koc family were seen in the Directors box and many who were in there were given the impression it was done.
Maybe the deal has fallen through when due dillagence turned up some unsettled legal cases and strange accounting practices? Maybe TJ wants to keep a slice of the club and Koc don't.
Maybe we'll be told one day but don't hold your breath.
We have now reached such a stage of secrecy that the senior managers no longer have their emails listed in the programme. I wonder why.
Truth or dare ?