I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
May be. But when in 26/27 they increase the prices again by the same percentage. You may think again.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Phase one pricing ended on 2nd May, there was nothing I can find on the literature to say that there would be a second price rise. You could say that it should have been expected but I would say that it should have been explicitly said
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
I purchased a ST this week after the play off final win. I will miss 3 months of the season but thought it important to back the club. I did though migrate down to covered end lower from where I normally sit , and prefer , in the upper. Unfortunately the higher we go the more expensive it will become. It will be a shame if there are still 1,000's of empty seats next season due to pricing.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Phase one pricing ended on 2nd May, there was nothing I can find on the literature to say that there would be a second price rise. You could say that it should have been expected but I would say that it should have been explicitly said
I know it wasn't said, hence why i said it was a fair assumption to make.
They announced that people had up until the morning of the final to renew, with tickets then offline until Tuesday. So to me i took that as them obviously waiting to see what division we were in, before putting them back on sale.
League one = almost certainly would've seen prices kept the same as phase 2. Championship = price increase.
The issue is the piss take of how much they've increased by.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Phase one pricing ended on 2nd May, there was nothing I can find on the literature to say that there would be a second price rise. You could say that it should have been expected but I would say that it should have been explicitly said
I know it wasn't said, hence why i said it was a fair assumption to make.
They announced that people had up until the morning of the final to renew, with tickets then offline until Tuesday. So to me i took that as them obviously waiting to see what division we were in, before putting them back on sale.
League one = almost certainly would've seen prices kept the same as phase 2. Championship = price increase.
The issue is the piss take of how much they've increased by.
I agree they’re too high, I just think a lot of the comms should have been better about it and fans shouldn’t have to make an assumption. That’s a fundamental principle about basically all interactions with the club. If you’re going to increase ticket prices I think you should say so. Otherwise you could argue they never need to announce a price rise as we should all just assume it’s going to happen every season or we should assume the opening times of the club shop etc.
If we had achieved promotion to the Championship prior to the early bird prices having been revealed I suspect those would have been higher too. Glad I got our STs in early, am totally sympathetic to those that feel the increase is beyond them but I equally understand the costs of building a squad strong enough to sustain this level of football are going to increase from where they have been an awful lot so we will all be given the option to play our part in maintaining and building upon our new found status.
If we get to the Premier League any time in the near future, we can anticipate forking out even more, but as a lifestyle choice I would sacrifice as much as I needed to in order to be sat around the Valley every other game. Not saying others should look at it in the same way just personal perspective.
I have a family member who bemoans not being able to afford x,y,z literally all the time, but by some minor miracle travels to some far flung and beautiful world destinations on holiday each year. Lifestyle choice and I am open but diplomatic in that observation.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Phase one pricing ended on 2nd May, there was nothing I can find on the literature to say that there would be a second price rise. You could say that it should have been expected but I would say that it should have been explicitly said
Phase 2 pricing began on May 3rd, & what is strange is that prices increased again on 25th May but we still seem to be in phase 2.
How do you manage a 10/12 game ticket? Do you have a set seat? Do you have to give notice on what games you will attend? What if every fan who had one wanted to turn up to the same game, should there be a very limited number available? You’re adding a layer of administration into the club…should you pay more for that?
Just some initial thoughts, but it seems like more hassle than it’s worth. Just buy your tickets on a game by game basis when you’re able to go.
Not sure whether its feasible i.e. could the booking system handle it but I think the idea has "legs". Maybe something like:
Number available limited to a percentage of the empty (non-season ticket) seats available in the ground. The club could allocate seats from different parts of the ground ( there is plenty of room in the West Upper at the South End). A set of (10/12) online vouchers/credits i.e. something like Audible. One set price for a pool of seats in the different price sections of the ground. No set seat allocated to individual customer/supporter prior to booking. Allow bookings upto a month beforehand (to allow the Club to tweak available numbers).
Book your seat game by game via the booking system understanding before booking that your taking a chance you wont get your preferred seat or even a seat at all for a particular game (i.e. home fixtures versus Millwall & QPR). If you dont use your set of 10/12 vouchers by the end of the season you forfeit them.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
Phase one pricing ended on 2nd May, there was nothing I can find on the literature to say that there would be a second price rise. You could say that it should have been expected but I would say that it should have been explicitly said
Phase 2 pricing began on May 3rd, & what is strange is that prices increased again on 25th May but we still seem to be in phase 2.
Yeah it’s bizarre, a complete lack of communication at a time when there was a chance to convert loads of people who went to Wembley into ST holders
We’re talking about £50 or so - that a round at the green man once a year or £1 a week - if that’s the going rate and you wasn’t prepared to pay up front in case we were in league 1 then I’m sorry but you aren’t as committed as those who got it a bit cheaper by committing if we hadn’t gone up - let’s call it the price of success or the penalty for a shortfall in loyalty
No offence intended, but blokes in their 50s (and early 60s in some earlier comments) in a completely different financial position aren’t the greatest barometer of the impact of price changes.
Most of our support in their 20s and 30s are situated in the North Upper, the most vibrant part of the ground. That’s just gone up £90. If you wasn’t already on board, jumping to a £550 outlay when you’re in the planning / moving out phase of life or when you’ve a young family and having to watch the pennies even more, it’s a big ask.
I’d rather have much more of these at a slightly lower rate and get them committed and coming regularly for a season, than miss out on them signing up and then drifting away.
Great points.
Also, I genuinely thought DOUCHER was early 20s, because that whole rebel without a cause persona! He’s in his 50s?!?! Mind blown.
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Indeed. Ultimately, this is going to be about squeezing the most money out of every single person that comes in the ground. I don't think that it's as blunt/crude as "social engineering" - I'm not sure we really have enough to offer the more well-heeled visitor - but ultimately a tourist coming to the ground for the first time is going to make the club more money than someone like me who lives around the corner who doesn't drink in the ground and might buy one bit of merch a year. So they'll be looking to redress the balance a bit.
I think they've cocked it up - reel in the newbies/returnees now with good-value tickets and then hike the prices later in the summer/next season - but I can see why they're doing it.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
This
Then why not be explicit?
say this price today that price tomorrow - make your choice now.
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
This
Then why not be explicit?
say this price today that price tomorrow - make your choice now.
Similar to this for example, ignoring the prices, obviously.
For all those completely relaxed by the increase I assume will make no comment when their replica shirt /beer/ burger / Charlton TV next season also costs more.
Oh and no comments about our lack of transfer marquee signings
I’d assumed if anything a deluge of emails this week imploring me to buy a ST / be part of the journey etc. But no.
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
I totally get that, and at the time I thought it was a bit of a waste of time due to this, but it also shows that they are looking at the local population as the potential fanbase, not some posh toffs from further afield who can spunk money up the walls
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
I totally get that, and at the time I thought it was a bit of a waste of time due to this, but it also shows that they are looking at the local population as the potential fanbase, not some posh toffs from further afield who can spunk money up the walls
Lots of new flats are due to be built in Charlton. Maybe the young professional moving into the area is the target?
The real pisstake will be next season when the club announce yet another “price freeze” which in reality will mean my season ticket is £90 more expensive than it was this this season
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
Tbh its a good idea, but they'll probably give 1000s of freebies away again while charging the rest of us a post promotion premium.
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
Big assumption that most BEM people are on minimum wage.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
This
Then why not be explicit?
say this price today that price tomorrow - make your choice now.
Similar to this for example, ignoring the prices, obviously.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
This
Just wait until they come after the museum and demand rent and suggest you charge for admission etc. ☹️
Your logic might be tested then about the reasonableness of seeking revenue every where.
I still think the American owners are social engineering the supporter base. They want the well to do middle classes. To start to emulate those in the Prem and the American tourist market.
Stupidest thing I've read on here in a while, congratulations
Why the need for such a comment. The poster is trying to come up with why the ticket prices have been increased, and there is no doubt we have seen a lot more tourists at our home games in the last year
Because if anyone truly thinks there's social engineering going on at The Valley, they are completely deluded. We just spent last season with a SMT trying to appeal as much as possible to the diverse local population, we even had CM point out that compared to the ethnic make-up of the area, Charlton crowds are incredibly, for want of a better phrase, white dominated. That's something they have actively tried to tap into, the local, working class area.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I can confidently say that trying to tap into the ethnically diverse local population is a non runner. Most will be on minimum wage and forking out for a season ticket or £30 a game is beyond the reach of many.
I totally get that, and at the time I thought it was a bit of a waste of time due to this, but it also shows that they are looking at the local population as the potential fanbase, not some posh toffs from further afield who can spunk money up the walls
Lots of new flats are due to be built in Charlton. Maybe the young professional moving into the area is the target?
More straightforwardly, there are plenty of young professionals who moved here 20-25 years ago and have stuck around. The population of the immediate area around The Valley has changed somewhat in the past couple of decades. And some of those will have caught the Charlton bug over the years - others are yet to be lured in.
Ultimately the issue here isn’t the prices so much as they lack of warning the prices were going up and the lack of consultation with the advisory board. The prices definitely seem a little high though and the club could have avoided an own goal with a tiny bit more planning
Surely it was a fair assumption to make that once the early bird deadline had passed that had we got promoted the prices would then go up?
I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
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I don't really think anyone is shocked that there was an increase, the issue is how much they've increased by.
They announced that people had up until the morning of the final to renew, with tickets then offline until Tuesday. So to me i took that as them obviously waiting to see what division we were in, before putting them back on sale.
League one = almost certainly would've seen prices kept the same as phase 2.
Championship = price increase.
The issue is the piss take of how much they've increased by.
lot so we will all be given the option to play our part in maintaining and building upon our new found status.
Number available limited to a percentage of the empty (non-season ticket) seats available in the ground. The club could allocate seats from different parts of the ground ( there is plenty of room in the West Upper at the South End). A set of (10/12) online vouchers/credits i.e. something like Audible. One set price for a pool of seats in the different price sections of the ground. No set seat allocated to individual customer/supporter prior to booking. Allow bookings upto a month beforehand (to allow the Club to tweak available numbers).
Book your seat game by game via the booking system understanding before booking that your taking a chance you wont get your preferred seat or even a seat at all for a particular game (i.e. home fixtures versus Millwall & QPR). If you dont use your set of 10/12 vouchers by the end of the season you forfeit them.
Would be interested in others thoughts.
- Fan Advocates
- Task & Complete Groups
- Advisory Board
And it seems none of them are included when it comes to STs and Pricing Strategy
Also, I genuinely thought DOUCHER was early 20s, because that whole rebel without a cause persona! He’s in his 50s?!?! Mind blown.
Sure the increase in prices is steeper than many imagined they would be, but to suggest it's because we're trying to engineer the entire crowd to be the "well to do middle classes" is absolutely ludicrous
I think they've cocked it up - reel in the newbies/returnees now with good-value tickets and then hike the prices later in the summer/next season - but I can see why they're doing it.
say this price today that price tomorrow - make your choice now.
https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/
There is just no need for the club to hide this plan. In fact being up front would more likely to get sales up front.
etc. ☹️
Your logic might be tested then about the reasonableness of seeking revenue every where.
More straightforwardly, there are plenty of young professionals who moved here 20-25 years ago and have stuck around. The population of the immediate area around The Valley has changed somewhat in the past couple of decades. And some of those will have caught the Charlton bug over the years - others are yet to be lured in.
Some of the numbers are wrong, as the away price tickets are a bit steep, bit quite close to what I expected.