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Possibly the same logic that lets us feel that including Wood is worth it as the fifth quick.cantersaddick said:
Butch was arguing that Tongue as a genuine specialist at getting through the tail should be in ahead of Carse as you have Atkinson and Archer with the new ball plus stokes. He was saying also pick Jacks to stack the batting and give root some spin support. He didn't think you needed 5 quicks as its unlikely to last the full 5 days.Addick Addict said:
So Tongue was only in the starting XI for the warm up game because Carse was ill. If we do play Bashir and assuming Wood is deemed "match fit" then it's a shoot out between Atkinson and Carse for the final place.fenaddick said:Unusually for them England have named a 12 man squad, clearly unsure about Bashir vs an extra seamerEngland 12-player squad:
Ben Stokes (c)
Jofra Archer
Gus Atkinson
Shoaib Bashir
Harry Brook
Brydon Carse
Zak Crawley
Ben Duckett
Ollie Pope
Joe Root
Jamie Smith (wk)
Mark Wood
I very much doubt that Australia will want or need to leave out Lyon especially if they play both Green and Webster and the former is able to bowl.
5 quicks was always my favoured approach for the first test. They obviously think Wood is fit enough otherwise Tongue would be innthe squad. Bash to miss out.3 -
Also an argument that if it doesn't go 5 days the pitch might not deteriorate enough for a spinner, I guess.cantersaddick said:
Butch was arguing that Tongue as a genuine specialist at getting through the tail should be in ahead of Carse as you have Atkinson and Archer with the new ball plus stokes. He was saying also pick Jacks to stack the batting and give root some spin support. He didn't think you needed 5 quicks as its unlikely to last the full 5 days.Addick Addict said:
So Tongue was only in the starting XI for the warm up game because Carse was ill. If we do play Bashir and assuming Wood is deemed "match fit" then it's a shoot out between Atkinson and Carse for the final place.fenaddick said:Unusually for them England have named a 12 man squad, clearly unsure about Bashir vs an extra seamerEngland 12-player squad:
Ben Stokes (c)
Jofra Archer
Gus Atkinson
Shoaib Bashir
Harry Brook
Brydon Carse
Zak Crawley
Ben Duckett
Ollie Pope
Joe Root
Jamie Smith (wk)
Mark Wood
I very much doubt that Australia will want or need to leave out Lyon especially if they play both Green and Webster and the former is able to bowl.
5 quicks was always my favoured approach for the first test. They obviously think Wood is fit enough otherwise Tongue would be innthe squad. Bash to miss out.
All of the India games went 5 days, we've dialled.Bazball back a notch, and I think the Aussies will look to bat long rather than score quickly, to tire us in the field - plays to.Khawaja, Labuschagne and Smith's strengths. Could easily see 5 days.0 -
Does anybody know how to watch the Ashes without the ludicrous TNT sub, which is nearly impossible to cancel once bought.0
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There seems to be very widespread interest in this year's Ashes. I can't remember ever seeing so many England flags up all over the place.12
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In addition to Cummins, Jhye Richardson has been bowling in the nets. He has always been a very good seamer but another who has been plagued by injuries. In the Ashes Adelaide Test four years ago took he returned 19.1-5-42-5.0
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Looks like England are going to go for it by playing Wood (correct,imo).
The only way we are going to win the Ashes is by winning the 1st Test - and we will never have a better chance with OZ without Cummins and Hazlewood.
IMO, theres no point in taking all this firepower to OZ and not using it. OK, yes, there's a chance that Wood might flare up, but its a chance England have to take.
Go for it, be brave, stick it up em, and put them on the back foot from ball one, with Wood playing we have more chance of doing that.
this is no time to be playing 'safe' cricket - and i dont think thats in the Stokes psyche either.3 -
Oh no TNT have made it worse by adding Langer to their lineup1
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Agree. Not playing Wood would be just like not playing Broad/Anderson in the first test last time. When Wood is fit you have to play him because he could easily break down in general training anywayZulu said:Looks like England are going to go for it by playing Wood (correct,imo).
The only way we are going to win the Ashes is by winning the 1st Test - and we will never have a better chance with OZ without Cummins and Hazlewood.
IMO, theres no point in taking all this firepower to OZ and not using it. OK, yes, there's a chance that Wood might flare up, but its a chance England have to take.
Go for it, be brave, stick it up em, and put them on the back foot from ball one, with Wood playing we have more chance of doing that.
this is no time to be playing 'safe' cricket - and i dont think thats in the Stokes Psyche either.0 -
It remains to be seen if Wood is match fit after bowling 8 overs in 9 months and having not played a single red ball game, bar than in that one practice innings, for 15 months? Hard yards in the nets and the gym are hard yards but they simply do not replicate time in the middle. But then we haven't afforded Wood that option in the run up to the series.
Without a spinner there is going to be a massive burden on all our seamers should Australia bat for two or more days in total. If Wood breaks down then it won't just be him that suffers it will be the other four quicks too though, if we do bowl the Aussies out cheaply, then that won't be an issue of course. If.1 -
It's 27 years since England fielded an XI in Australia without a specialist spinner. Lyon has taken 29 wickets at this ground from five Tests at an average of 20.86. I thought that the whole point of continually picking Bashir over the course of the last few years was from the perspective that he would be the ideal candidate to bowl in Australia due to his high release point and overspin. Of all the tracks this is the one that is likely to offer the most bounce but all the signs are that we are going to leave him out. Something really doesn't add up.1
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"13 losses and two draws in the last 15 tests Down Under for England"
I knew our record over there was bad, but didn't realise it was quite that bad.0 -
But over the last 2 or 3 years this pitch hadn't really turned at all apparently.Addick Addict said:It's 27 years since England fielded an XI in Australia without a specialist spinner. Lyon has taken 29 wickets at this ground from five Tests at an average of 20.86. I thought that the whole point of continually picking Bashir over the course of the last few years was from the perspective that he would be the ideal candidate to bowl in Australia due to his high release point and overspin. Of all the tracks this is the one that is likely to offer the most bounce but all the signs are that we are going to leave him out. Something really doesn't add up.1 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cy8v8vyx107o
He's got a point tbh, and found a slightly nicer way of saying "Monty Panesar is thick as s**t"!3 -
Spinners have taken a total of eight wickets in 192 overs against Australia at the Optus Stadium since it opened in 2018.cantersaddick said:
But over the last 2 or 3 years this pitch hadn't really turned at all apparently.Addick Addict said:It's 27 years since England fielded an XI in Australia without a specialist spinner. Lyon has taken 29 wickets at this ground from five Tests at an average of 20.86. I thought that the whole point of continually picking Bashir over the course of the last few years was from the perspective that he would be the ideal candidate to bowl in Australia due to his high release point and overspin. Of all the tracks this is the one that is likely to offer the most bounce but all the signs are that we are going to leave him out. Something really doesn't add up.0 -
5fer for Root incomingChizz said:
Spinners have taken a total of eight wickets in 192 overs against Australia at the Optus Stadium since it opened in 2018.cantersaddick said:
But over the last 2 or 3 years this pitch hadn't really turned at all apparently.Addick Addict said:It's 27 years since England fielded an XI in Australia without a specialist spinner. Lyon has taken 29 wickets at this ground from five Tests at an average of 20.86. I thought that the whole point of continually picking Bashir over the course of the last few years was from the perspective that he would be the ideal candidate to bowl in Australia due to his high release point and overspin. Of all the tracks this is the one that is likely to offer the most bounce but all the signs are that we are going to leave him out. Something really doesn't add up.3 -
Aussies must be confident Green is fit to bowl:
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Some real optimism from our side on the Eve of the Ashes.
We won't get a better chance of starting with a bang in this first test.
Have to play Wood IMO.
Really fancy Brook to be our player of the series.0 -
If he can squeeze in a quick mankad to get Carey out, that would be a perfect start to the series.blackpool72 said:
5fer for Root incomingChizz said:
Spinners have taken a total of eight wickets in 192 overs against Australia at the Optus Stadium since it opened in 2018.cantersaddick said:
But over the last 2 or 3 years this pitch hadn't really turned at all apparently.Addick Addict said:It's 27 years since England fielded an XI in Australia without a specialist spinner. Lyon has taken 29 wickets at this ground from five Tests at an average of 20.86. I thought that the whole point of continually picking Bashir over the course of the last few years was from the perspective that he would be the ideal candidate to bowl in Australia due to his high release point and overspin. Of all the tracks this is the one that is likely to offer the most bounce but all the signs are that we are going to leave him out. Something really doesn't add up.2 -
Is this the first time under this regime that we’ve known the opposition XI before ours?1
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I remember 2 opening "bangs"........Big_Bob said:Some real optimism from our side on the Eve of the Ashes.
We won't get a better chance of starting with a bang in this first test.
Have to play Wood IMO.
Really fancy Brook to be our player of the series.
Harrison's first ball so wide it was caught by 2nd slip.
Burns being bowled first ball.
I'd be just happy with a no wicket maiden.....whichever side is bowling !1 -
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You don't remember the first ball of the last Ashes series?golfaddick said:
I remember 2 opening "bangs"........Big_Bob said:Some real optimism from our side on the Eve of the Ashes.
We won't get a better chance of starting with a bang in this first test.
Have to play Wood IMO.
Really fancy Brook to be our player of the series.
Harrison's first ball so wide it was caught by 2nd slip.
Burns being bowled first ball.
I'd be just happy with a no wicket maiden.....whichever side is bowling !1 -
Come on England1
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For those that are interested, my eldest (the sports trader and not the player/coach) thinks that Starc at 12/1 to be crowned the Player of the Series (Compton-Miller Medal) is a bit of value. He's almost certain, bar injury, to play four of the five Tests and if the ball does dominate the Series then he has to have every chance of being not just the top wicket taker for both sides but picking up this award too.
POTS best prices:
Smith (S) - 15/2
Root - 8/1
Brook - 10/1
Stokes - 11/1
Starc - 12/1
Khawaja - 14/1
Head - 14/1
Duckett - 14/1
Labuschagne - 16/1
Boland - 16/1
Lyon - 16/1
Archer - 18/1
Crawley - 20/1
Green - 22/1
Hazlewood - 22/1
Atkinson - 25/1
Cummins - 25/1
Weatherald - 25/1
Smith (J) - 28/1
Pope - 28/1
Carey - 33/1
Carse - 33/1
Wood - 33/1
Tongue - 50/1
Bethell - 50/1
Webster - 50/1
Bashir - 66/1
Abbott - 80/1
Jacks - 80/1
Potts - 80/1
Inglis - 100/1
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what are the session times for the first two tests ?
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Khawaja at 14-1 is bizarrely short odds for a player in decline.
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I can't hack early starts. I'm much more likely to stay up when watching the 11:30 matches, for " one more session "Pelling1993 said:3 -
I'll probably go to bed about 9 and get up for the last two sessions.Pelling1993 said:2
