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England Cricket 2025

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,443


    Bullish!
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,380
    Lovely lovely. Thanks all. Train journey to and from Leeds tomorrow sorted.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,314
    Lovely lovely. Thanks all. Train journey to and from Leeds tomorrow sorted.
    You do know that the 1st Test is in Perth, not Headingley?
  • Middle Please, Umpire, the Mark Wood and Miles Jupp podcast, has an Ashes preview too which I plan on listening to tomorrow.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,051
    Apparently Cummins has been bowling off full run up in the nets. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,380
    Lovely lovely. Thanks all. Train journey to and from Leeds tomorrow sorted.
    You do know that the 1st Test is in Perth, not Headingley?
    I do but apparently my employer does not! ;)
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,924
    MrOneLung said:
    Apparently Cummins has been bowling off full run up in the nets. 
    I’d be very surprised if they risk him especially with a back injury .  If he makes it worse in the first test  , that’s him out of the series . 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,862
    MrOneLung said:
    Apparently Cummins has been bowling off full run up in the nets. 
    I’d be very surprised if they risk him especially with a back injury .  If he makes it worse in the first test  , that’s him out of the series . 
    That's how I feel about Mark Wood with his hamstring issue. 
    Probably best for both to wait until the 2nd Test
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,380
    MrOneLung said:
    Apparently Cummins has been bowling off full run up in the nets. 
    I’d be very surprised if they risk him especially with a back injury .  If he makes it worse in the first test  , that’s him out of the series . 
    I still don't think he will be back till the 3rd. Just a hunch based on what some aussie media people said a couple weeks ago about him being behind where they wanted him to be. He may have caught up but he will need to get miles in the legs to be effective in tests.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,880
    MrOneLung said:
    Apparently Cummins has been bowling off full run up in the nets. 
    I've seen the clip and it's a real amble to the crease. Be very surprised to see him before Adelaide.

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,443
    Ricky Ponting and Stuart Broad picked their 21st century Ashes XI.  

    1. Hayden 
    2. Cook 
    3. Ponting 
    4. Root 
    5. Smith 
    6. Stokes 
    7. Gilchrist 
    8. Warne 
    9. Cummins 
    10. Broad 
    11. McGrath 

    They've left out a lot of very good players..! 

    Anderson, Vaughan, Pietersen, Strauss, Harmison, S. Jones, Lyon, Clarke, Lee, Starc, Hazlewood...
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,088
    edited November 18
    Can't argue much with that, though I'd be tempted by Flintoff over Stokes just for the balance of the side - apart from McGrath there's a long tail anyway, whereas Flintoff adds more to the bowling.

    Could also argue for Mitchell Johnson ahead of Cummins I guess.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,314
    Anderson's record against Australia is surprisingly poor, so he's correctly been left out of a lot of these Ashes lists.
  • Zulu
    Zulu Posts: 253
    Just shows how many great players both nations have produced. The thought of KP,Jimmy,Johnson,Lyon,Starc and Hazlewood playing for the B team is amazing.
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,248
    KP over Root in that team for me. Root has scored 270 more runs, but that is over an extra 15 innings. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,443
    arny23394 said:
    KP over Root in that team for me. Root has scored 270 more runs, but that is over an extra 15 innings. 
    Trouble is, if KP were picked, a lot of the others wouldn't want to turn up...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,314
    Arguably,  that team has one too many fast medium right handed bowlers, and would be better balanced with either a quick like Harris or Lee, or a left armer like Starc or Johnson.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,262
    Johnson for Cummins move Broady up to 8 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,350
    MarcusH26 said:
    Johnson for Cummins move Broady up to 8 
    I think Warne might have something to say about that as he had a better average, overall, than Broad anyway but the latter was never the same post being hit on the head.

    In Broad's final five years of playing Test cricket, against Australia he had a top score of 16 in averaging 13.82. Warne's batting went completely the other way and in same period he averaged 34.50. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,262
    MarcusH26 said:
    Johnson for Cummins move Broady up to 8 
    I think Warne might have something to say about that as he had a better average, overall, than Broad anyway but the latter was never the same post being hit on the head.

    In Broad's final five years of playing Test cricket, against Australia he had a top score of 16 in averaging 13.82. Warne's batting went completely the other way and in same period he averaged 34.50. 
    That's fascinating stats wise. I didn't realise Broads average dipped that badly after he got hit. 

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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,085
    Obviously Broad picked himself, same way he's never been out (joking aside, he's won matches on his own)
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,599
    edited November 19
    Unusually for them England have named a 12 man squad, clearly unsure about Bashir vs an extra seamer

    England 12-player squad:

    Ben Stokes (c)
    Jofra Archer
    Gus Atkinson
    Shoaib Bashir
    Harry Brook
    Brydon Carse
    Zak Crawley
    Ben Duckett
    Ollie Pope
    Joe Root
    Jamie Smith (wk)
    Mark Wood

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,350
    fenaddick said:
    Unusually for them England have named a 12 man squad, clearly unsure about Bashir vs an extra seamer

    England 12-player squad:

    Ben Stokes (c)
    Jofra Archer
    Gus Atkinson
    Shoaib Bashir
    Harry Brook
    Brydon Carse
    Zak Crawley
    Ben Duckett
    Ollie Pope
    Joe Root
    Jamie Smith (wk)
    Mark Wood

    So Tongue was only in the starting XI for the warm up game because Carse was ill. If we do play Bashir and assuming Wood is deemed "match fit" then it's a shoot out between Atkinson and Carse for the final place.

    I very much doubt that Australia will want or need to leave out Lyon especially if they play both Green and Webster and the former is able to bowl. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,350
    Someone who might have qualified for England in the same way as Chris Jordan and Jofra Archer did is Shai Hope. He went to St Bede's in Sussex for the latter part of this education and did consider staying here to do so.

    Hope isn't a Test player but, at the age of 32, it is a credit to him that he has found a way to carry on playing for the West Indies when so many others have totally turned their back on them.

    Today he hit  the fastest ton by a West Indies batter (109* off just 69 balls against New Zealand with next top scorer 22) and has now scored a century against all the Test playing nations. He couldn't hide his post-match disappointment at the defeat and it must be soul destroying to so consistently be on the end of a defeat. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,314
    Someone who might have qualified for England in the same way as Chris Jordan and Jofra Archer did is Shai Hope. He went to St Bede's in Sussex for the latter part of this education and did consider staying here to do so.

    Hope isn't a Test player but, at the age of 32, it is a credit to him that he has found a way to carry on playing for the West Indies when so many others have totally turned their back on them.

    Today he hit  the fastest ton by a West Indies batter (109* off just 69 balls against New Zealand with next top scorer 22) and has now scored a century against all the Test playing nations. He couldn't hide his post-match disappointment at the defeat and it must be soul destroying to so consistently be on the end of a defeat. 
    His first Test tons since his 2 against England in 2017 when everyone thought he would be the "new Lara". 
    Instead while he's been imperious in ODIs his Test career has been a big disappointment
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,380
    fenaddick said:
    Unusually for them England have named a 12 man squad, clearly unsure about Bashir vs an extra seamer

    England 12-player squad:

    Ben Stokes (c)
    Jofra Archer
    Gus Atkinson
    Shoaib Bashir
    Harry Brook
    Brydon Carse
    Zak Crawley
    Ben Duckett
    Ollie Pope
    Joe Root
    Jamie Smith (wk)
    Mark Wood

    So Tongue was only in the starting XI for the warm up game because Carse was ill. If we do play Bashir and assuming Wood is deemed "match fit" then it's a shoot out between Atkinson and Carse for the final place.

    I very much doubt that Australia will want or need to leave out Lyon especially if they play both Green and Webster and the former is able to bowl. 
    Butch was arguing that Tongue as a genuine specialist at getting through the tail should be in ahead of Carse as you have Atkinson and Archer with the new ball plus stokes. He was saying also pick Jacks to stack the batting and give root some spin support. He didn't think you needed 5 quicks as its unlikely to last the full 5 days.

    5 quicks was always my favoured approach for the first test. They obviously think Wood is fit enough otherwise Tongue would be innthe squad. Bash to miss out.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,461
    If Tongue isn't injured that's ridiculous to leave him out 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,461
    3-2 Aus

    Highest run scorer: Harry Brook

    Most wickets: Brendan Doggett

    Will Root get a century? Yes

    When will Cummins appear? 2nd Test

    How many tests will Archer manage? 4

    How many opening combos do Australia use? 2
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,599
    Leuth said:
    3-2 Aus

    Highest run scorer: Harry Brook

    Most wickets: Brendan Doggett

    Will Root get a century? Yes

    When will Cummins appear? 2nd Test

    How many tests will Archer manage? 4

    How many opening combos do Australia use? 2
    Just added these to my spreadsheet. Poor @MarcusH26 and @golfaddick have Hazlewood as their leading wicket taker. Think some of the Cummins predictions will also be affected by that as Aus will be more likely to rush him back
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,599
    There's a lovely moment in the Final Word preview pod where Doggett and Boland start to take some photos with the Australian Aboriginal flag and the two hosts get a bit emotional seeing it. It's a big moment and one that I hope doesn't get lost