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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Mansfield Town: Saturday 14th December 2024: KO 15:00
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Gets even more ridiculous, younger fan, having been apologised to, and the got older guy moved, then demanded without success that the stewards get involved, went off at half time to find different stewards.se9addick said:
Christ, that’s ridiculous.Chunes said:I have a mate who I brought to watch us play against Everton in the prem, and it was a 0-0 total borefest. For 20 years whenever we've talk about Charlton he's moaned about how boring that game was.
Finally I managed to talk him to coming to another game... Yesterday's game. FFS... I think that was even more boring than Everton.
Arguably the most interesting thing that happened was a strange incident in the NW. An old guy took exception to a younger fan singing the "We've lost the ball" song and took a swing at him. I thought the younger fan handled himself well and didn't retaliate, but was obviously upset. The old guys mates moved him away but then kept moaning at the younger fan for making a big deal about it.
Christ, that’s ridiculous.Chunes said:I have a mate who I brought to watch us play against Everton in the prem, and it was a 0-0 total borefest. For 20 years whenever we've talk about Charlton he's moaned about how boring that game was.
Finally I managed to talk him to coming to another game... Yesterday's game. FFS... I think that was even more boring than Everton.
Arguably the most interesting thing that happened was a strange incident in the NW. An old guy took exception to a younger fan singing the "We've lost the ball" song and took a swing at him. I thought the younger fan handled himself well and didn't retaliate, but was obviously upset. The old guys mates moved him away but then kept moaning at the younger fan for making a big deal about it.Now happy that the older chap, was ejected from the ground, the younger chap who had provided a running commentary through out, announced that justice had been served.Funny old game0 -
Charlton long balls game by gameCallumcafc said:
Average long balls attempted per match, by teamScoham said:
What’s the league average? And how does it look game by game for us?Callumcafc said:Only 54 long balls (passes of 35 yards or longer) attempted in the match which is our lowest number since the opening day of the season against Wigan (52).
1. Barnsley 81.82. Blackpool 80.3
3. Stevenage 78.1
4. Wrexham 77.3
5. Northampton 77.1
6. Wycombe 75.1
7. Rotherham 74.5
8. Charlton 73.9
9. Cambridge 73.5
10. Shrewsbury 73.2
11. Leyton Orient 73.1
12. Burton 72.4
13. Lincoln 70.6
14. Stockport 69.9
15. Mansfield 69.4
16. Bristol Rovers 66.6
17. Reading 65.6
18. Huddersfield 63.4
19. Bolton 61.4
20. Crawley 60.7
21. Exeter 60.4
22. Birmingham 58.7
23. Wigan 56.6
24. Peterborough 51.8
1. Wigan 53
2. Orient 89
3. Bolton 63
4. Reading 78
5. Rotherham 83
6. Shrewsbury 69
7. Blackpool 81
8. Stevenage 76
9. Bristol Rovers 79
10. Birmingham 72
11. Stockport 63
12. Barnsley 72
13. Wrexham 86
14. Exeter 70
15. Huddersfield 83
16. Burton 75
17. Crawley 97
18. Lincoln 62
19. Mansfield 55
Top 5: Crawley (97), Orient (89), Wrexham (86), Huddersfield, Rotherham (83)
Lowest 5: Wigan (53), Mansfield (55), Lincoln (62), Bolton, Stockport (63)2 -
Yeah I'm not sure if you're thinking of the same group as me, but yesterday about 6 or so walked past me to take a seat in the west lower. I also spoke to some Germans post Birmingham or Bolton?se9addick said:
There seemed to be quite a lot of Germans there yesterday too. I think we’re quite a popular option for the ground hoppers due convenience factors and that’s fine by me, although I would imagine after coming once not many will be back. Awful football and a not-exactly riveting match day experience in and around the stadium for the tourists.Braziliance said:
And not even all 10k were Charlton fans.se9addick said:
You know, I know and all 10,000 people who were in the stadium know, that there weren’t 14,000 people there yesterday.HastingsRed said:Was the crowd really 14,000 which is pretty decent (if it was) considering how crap we are atm.
Yesterday here was some following people I spoke to by chance,
2x Dutch blokes who wanted to see a game of football, no interest in Charlton
3x Slavs, who couldn't understand me (tbf some English people cant)
A group of 4 lads, where 2 supported Ipswich, and the other 2 didn't say who they supported, but it wasn't Charlton.
I spoke with a group of 3, two were Charlton (and fantastic to speak with) the other was West Ham (wearing a Charlton scarf his mate bought him 😂)
A group of 4, of which 1 never goes, only when he gets a free ticket (which is probably every week now)
And lastly a group of 3, where one also rarely goes and didn't know much about Charlton.
So for the amount I spoke with, around 30-40% didn't actually support Charlton, which I genuinely find staggering.
I don't mind people who don't support Charlton watching (as the Valley would look even more dead) but it was crazy for me.
Our support is so low atm. It made me wonder how many people in the stadium are actually a Charlton fan, and not there just for something to do.
Again, I'm not against it, just shows how poorly supported we are currently that we are relying on freebies etc to fill seats.It definitely feels like the actual number of Charlton fans in the stadium is the worst it’s ever been for a quarter of a century.
Our away support is very decent all things considered, home support currently is woeful, and I don't think giving away free tickets is gonna cut it, especially when the football served up won't convince them to come back.
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I hope Jones doesn't see this. I can just see him now down Sparrow's Lane going, "Right boys, we only need eight more long balls a game to be top of the league".Callumcafc said:
Average long balls attempted per match, by teamScoham said:
What’s the league average? And how does it look game by game for us?Callumcafc said:Only 54 long balls (passes of 35 yards or longer) attempted in the match which is our lowest number since the opening day of the season against Wigan (52).
1. Barnsley 81.82. Blackpool 80.3
3. Stevenage 78.1
4. Wrexham 77.3
5. Northampton 77.1
6. Wycombe 75.1
7. Rotherham 74.5
8. Charlton 73.9
9. Cambridge 73.5
10. Shrewsbury 73.2
11. Leyton Orient 73.1
12. Burton 72.4
13. Lincoln 70.6
14. Stockport 69.9
15. Mansfield 69.4
16. Bristol Rovers 66.6
17. Reading 65.6
18. Huddersfield 63.4
19. Bolton 61.4
20. Crawley 60.7
21. Exeter 60.4
22. Birmingham 58.7
23. Wigan 56.6
24. Peterborough 51.813 -
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When she got home did she tell Mummy all the brilliant new words she learned?Dazzler21 said:Well Rosa enjoyed the atmosphere. She found the boos and jeering at the ref especially funny. Glad she doesn't understand the game yet. It was dire.
Also special thanks to the chap that nipped out to Chicken George is it? Grabbed Rosa some chips as she couldn't stomach the hot "food" options. Then wouldn't let us pay him for them. Absolute hero.
That's the highlights.
superb photo that.
Rommedahl was sat behind you as well.
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He’s right of course.sam3110 said:NJ: "Us and Birmingham are the best two pressers in the league so we are front-footed and going after teams. We're just not taking chances at the minute. I'm sure that will change. We're not capitalising on the clean sheets at the minute."
It’ll change after he’s sacked.0 -
Agreed and yet it’s strange because Jones told us this week that he always tells his team to play football and not hoof it.TellyTubby said:OK, so I know that this will be a minority view, but I thought that the performance was better.
The players were clearly told to pass the ball and not hoof it bypassing the midfield, I welcome that change.
The ref was dreadful, he should have booked several Mansfield players for professional shithousery in the first half alone. Just perhaps this may have made a difference, but tbh the finishing from both sides was not very good.
I'm not totally hacked off post match for a long time because I believe that Jones has realised that Hoofball isn't working for us.
Most peculiar that they started doing it when apparently not told to and even stranger that it took until after this week’s press conference questions to him about it, for it to miraculously stop. Pure coincidence.
I bloody hate liars.
NB I doubt Jones admits that hoofball ain’t working, more the fact that he’s being told by the fans and now the press and no doubt the board.3 -
Yeah i brought 3 non fans with me yesterday as well. It really showed as well lots of people took their time with their half time beer and hotdogs -it was ten/fifteen minutes into the second half before they came back to their seatsBraziliance said:
And not even all 10k were Charlton fans.se9addick said:
You know, I know and all 10,000 people who were in the stadium know, that there weren’t 14,000 people there yesterday.HastingsRed said:Was the crowd really 14,000 which is pretty decent (if it was) considering how crap we are atm.
Yesterday here was some following people I spoke to by chance,
2x Dutch blokes who wanted to see a game of football, no interest in Charlton
3x Slavs, who couldn't understand me (tbf some English people cant)
A group of 4 lads, where 2 supported Ipswich, and the other 2 didn't say who they supported, but it wasn't Charlton.
I spoke with a group of 3, two were Charlton (and fantastic to speak with) the other was West Ham (wearing a Charlton scarf his mate bought him 😂)
A group of 4, of which 1 never goes, only when he gets a free ticket (which is probably every week now)
And lastly a group of 3, where one also rarely goes and didn't know much about Charlton.
So for the amount I spoke with, around 30-40% didn't actually support Charlton, which I genuinely find staggering.
I don't mind people who don't support Charlton watching (as the Valley would look even more dead) but it was crazy for me.
Our support is so low atm. It made me wonder how many people in the stadium are actually a Charlton fan, and not there just for something to do.
Again, I'm not against it, just shows how poorly supported we are currently that we are relying on freebies etc to fill seats.1 -
ken_shabby said:
Keep the football content of the day to an absolute minimum.se9addick said:
Northampton has a nice, historic, town centre with a couple of decent pubs.Return of the SE7 said:Shit, got two tickets for Northampton.
I can see this being an eventful day in the stands. If we go behind and the football is toilet it could be a start to the protests similar to the Watford 5-0.
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Why doesn’t he post anymore?Greenhithe said:
It’s an illness in itself.AFKABartram said:Sat there freezing cold with no voice and a chest infection. Must be mad.On a happier note I saw Goonerhater for the first time in ages0 - Sponsored links:
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It’s always tickets sold (or given away), never bums on seats.HastingsRed said:Was the crowd really 14,000 which is pretty decent (if it was) considering how crap we are atm.0 -
Got to O’Neills Blackheath at 12 and decided to stay there, left at eight. Certainly the right decision.18
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Yep, always wise not to go one over the eight…northstandsteve said:Got to O’Neills Blackheath at 12 and decided to stay there, left at eight. Certainly the right decision.
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Yes and he did it!Raith_C_Chattonell said:I'd like a pound for every time Nathan mentions the 'lack of quality in the final third' in his post match interviews,0 -
For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.0
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If he’s sacked it costs us 12 months of his salary.Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
If it’ll cost too much he’s with us for years.0 -
Can we drop further - I hope not, but how can Jones turn this around?
He would need to change everything he has drilled into the players - new patterns of play, new training processes (I appreciate it looks like there are no patterns of play).
We are a total mess top to bottom.
Crowds will drop sub 10k very soon if they aren't already and with no hope the back end of the season will be bleak.
To consistently go backwards year on year is some achievement from the club, it's impressive how bad it's been.
God knows what we need to endure next.
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Irrespective of cost, do you think he can survive for long given the current run of results?Covered End said:
If he’s sacked it costs us 12 months of his salary.Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
If it’ll cost too much he’s with us for years.0 -
Who knows?Starinnaddick said:
Irrespective of cost, do you think he can survive for long given the current run of results?Covered End said:
If he’s sacked it costs us 12 months of his salary.Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
If it’ll cost too much he’s with us for years.
I think he’s hanging on and has been for months.
He clearly lost the plot when interviewed after the Reading game and came across as mentally unstable.
Then he started making strange decisions like dropping Alex Mitchell.
If I was a player I would be thinking my boss is of unsound mind which would make me incredibly uneasy.
It’s soul destroying going to work knowing that your boss is riddled with anxiety and makes too many wrong decisions.3 -
Thanks CE
Pretty much as I see things.
Will he or Scott be trusted to bring anyone in during the transfer window?0 - Sponsored links:
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“Drop further” as in relegated from L1? Probably not (although I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it). You have to be truly woeful to get relegated from this division and, given our relatively solid defence, I don’t think we’re quite that bad. We could end up with a similar league position to last year though.mascot88 said:Can we drop further - I hope not, but how can Jones turn this around?
He would need to change everything he has drilled into the players - new patterns of play, new training processes (I appreciate it looks like there are no patterns of play).
We are a total mess top to bottom.
Crowds will drop sub 10k very soon if they aren't already and with no hope the back end of the season will be bleak.
To consistently go backwards year on year is some achievement from the club, it's impressive how bad it's been.
God knows what we need to endure next.What’s more concerning is that it feels like the rot that has taken hold of the club is accelerating. You can see it in the abysmal attendances, the dreadful recruitment, the really poor atmosphere at matches and the general resignation to failure that seems to permeate all aspects of the Club. How good or bad the team is on the pitch is important, but I sense there are broader, longer term, issues that will determine the future of our Football Club that go further than just on the pitch stuff.6 -
Caught the last 30mins yest and though a slight improvement it was impossible not to the awful football we are currently witnessing.The only positive right now is my marriage. For last few years I’ve made sure I’ve watched every game (albeit mainly streaming from a quick weekly trip to France) and made the wife pissed we can’t do anything 2.30-5 every sat. Now I’m like let’s go out as even shopping with her is less painful than watching us at the moment. So least NJ has helped my marriage somewhat.12
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I was going to commend you on your good Dadding @Dazzler21, but after sillybilly's comment it occurs that I should probably check first that you didn't teach her any new words that she shouldn't repeat in polite company, under the provocation of the ref's performance.
Also, was
the guy who went to get the chips for her catering staff or a fellow fan? If the former, I'd suggest contacting the club to commend them on their stellar customer service, although part of me wonders whether he'd get a warning for not taking your money.
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Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
Very likely but how would it compare with the amount required for contracts of the new players some feel we need in January ?
Advised today that money isn't really a problem for our minted owners ....but it's about how it's spent.
Get rid of the Terrible Three and free up even more cash.3 -
@DubaiCAFC may be able to tell us the cost.Covered End said:
If he’s sacked it costs us 12 months of his salary.Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
If it’ll cost too much he’s with us for years.2 -
To paraphrase Dostoyevsky :
"All successful clubs are successful in the same way. Each miserable club is fucked in its own unique way"3 -
Only in an FFP sense though right?Covered End said:
If he’s sacked it costs us 12 months of his salary.Starinnaddick said:For those who want rid of NJ you need him to walk away because he will cost too much to pay off.
If it’ll cost too much he’s with us for years.
Which makes me wonder what are the clauses in Jones contract, as if there isn't a performance clause, we are ran by idiots.
People may think it's harsh, but you shouldn't take on managers without target clauses. If a manager can't agree to that, find someone else. Otherwise you end up in this current position.3 -
That's Tolstoy. We can't even get the basics of literary history right as a fan base, we're so screwedLennyLowrent said:To paraphrase Dostoyevsky :
"All successful clubs are successful in the same way. Each miserable club is fucked in its own unique way"33 -
Having listened to NJ's interview, it appears that he managed something most fans didn't . He must have been at a different match because there is no way he could say he saw the same game as most of us1
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It got them out of Christmas shoppingBraziliance said:
And not even all 10k were Charlton fans.se9addick said:
You know, I know and all 10,000 people who were in the stadium know, that there weren’t 14,000 people there yesterday.HastingsRed said:Was the crowd really 14,000 which is pretty decent (if it was) considering how crap we are atm.
Yesterday here was some following people I spoke to by chance,
2x Dutch blokes who wanted to see a game of football, no interest in Charlton
3x Slavs, who couldn't understand me (tbf some English people cant)
A group of 4 lads, where 2 supported Ipswich, and the other 2 didn't say who they supported, but it wasn't Charlton.
I spoke with a group of 3, two were Charlton (and fantastic to speak with) the other was West Ham (wearing a Charlton scarf his mate bought him 😂)
A group of 4, of which 1 never goes, only when he gets a free ticket (which is probably every week now)
And lastly a group of 3, where one also rarely goes and didn't know much about Charlton.
So for the amount I spoke with, around 30-40% didn't actually support Charlton, which I genuinely find staggering.
I don't mind people who don't support Charlton watching (as the Valley would look even more dead) but it was crazy for me.
Our support is so low atm. It made me wonder how many people in the stadium are actually a Charlton fan, and not there just for something to do.
Again, I'm not against it, just shows how poorly supported we are currently that we are relying on freebies etc to fill seats.0
