Such a classic example of a Charlton life thread. Starts off about a chemical that could reduce methane coming from cow farts, goes on to number 1s that were instrumentals then about COVID jabs. Where to next...
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3 pages in without a vegan comment, something about people leaving care affording milk, or a debate between northern and southern Irish cows...
It’s amazing how social media spreads these ridiculous conspiracy theories and how many people in the general population lack the critical thinking skills to avoid getting themselves swept away in them.
Not saying I agree with the conspiracies. But do you not worry about the rise in cancer. Some of these chemicals their using can’t be good.
If I turned back the clock I wouldn’t have the covid jab.
Ever since I seem to pick up coughs and also sneezing fits. Which I never had before.
Cows piracy I’ve been told not to believe these conspiracies. Ha ha you couldn’t make this shit up.why are we all not having to take this drug to save the planet. We all fart don’t we.
I most certainly don’t fart……I pass wind thank you very much.😇
I suppose there’s no point in asking why Farage and his new minions are all over this, while being just fine with chlorinated chicken? Or is that too “political”?
I suppose there’s no point in asking why Farage and his new minions are all over this, while being just fine with chlorinated chicken? Or is that too “political”?
Richard Tice is certainly doing just that with his 'woke milk' comments.
With the bird flu problems currently being experienced on US poultry and dairy farms, we definitely don't want to import their products.
It’s amazing how social media spreads these ridiculous conspiracy theories and how many people in the general population lack the critical thinking skills to avoid getting themselves swept away in them.
Not saying I agree with the conspiracies. But do you not worry about the rise in cancer. Some of these chemicals their using can’t be good.
If I turned back the clock I wouldn’t have the covid jab.
Ever since I seem to pick up coughs and also sneezing fits. Which I never had before.
Just had a meeting today with one of our resellers and she's been coughing a lot since she had Covid. She believes it's due to the respiratory nature of the disease, which can affect the lungs.
It’s amazing how social media spreads these ridiculous conspiracy theories and how many people in the general population lack the critical thinking skills to avoid getting themselves swept away in them.
Not saying I agree with the conspiracies. But do you not worry about the rise in cancer. Some of these chemicals their using can’t be good.
If I turned back the clock I wouldn’t have the covid jab.
Ever since I seem to pick up coughs and also sneezing fits. Which I never had before.
Yes I got covid. well the tests said I had it but no more than a normal cold/flu.
I’m afraid I’m getting less and less convinced by our leaders who seem to get worse and worse at lying to us.
I find it strange that people that want to save the planet on one hand then pump chemicals into animals on the other. I mean to stop cows farting it’s a joke right.
I believe we should be as with nature as much as we can. Not pumping chemicals into animals or on plants.
You telling me stopping cows farting is going to save the planet before opening a new runway at Heathrow.
Have you ever thought that perhaps your immunity to other viruses has been compromised by your Covid infection? How many times do you hear people say that they've had a cough/cold/chest infection that they can't shake off? Covid is known to affect the body's ability to fight other infections.
With regard to cows farting, it is a big problem and all the time we continue to use their products it will remain so. This initiative which has been properly tested, is just another tool in the box to reduce methane emissions.
How many times have we’re heard been properly tested.but then found out they weren’t what about thalidomide for example. The Covid jabs weren’t properly tested.
… some people don’t even realise that they’ve been swallowed up by the conspiracy theory nonsense.
Oh ok I’m an idiot. Yes I believe you the cows are killing the planet can’t believe we didn’t think of it till now.how stupid we are. Least we know how to save the planet now. We should all be safe now. Won’t need them expensive electric cars.
Using "them" instead of "those" is a masterstroke.
Will be very convincing for the "left behind" constituency.
I suppose there’s no point in asking why Farage and his new minions are all over this, while being just fine with chlorinated chicken? Or is that too “political”?
Richard Tice is certainly doing just that with his 'woke milk' comments.
With the bird flu problems currently being experienced on US poultry and dairy farms, we definitely don't want to import their products.
Hoping to escape the ‘flockdown’ this year as we managed to last year but there have been cases In Norfolk and Kingston on Hull so we have to just wait (and make sure we’ve got everything DEFRA requires us to have in place)
More than a couple of the rabble at work have stated they will only consume raw milk from here on out. I cant wait until they see the stuff, a bloody, pussy mess that there is no way on this green earth I would consume, and like you say. Who needs Louis Pasteur and his processes
That said, grass fed beef is best for everyone, bovines included. Just difficult to get hold of the stuff.
Cows are already rammed full of antibiotics which may be good for the cow but less good for us second hand consuming them
More than a couple of the rabble at work have stated they will only consume raw milk from here on out. I cant wait until they see the stuff, a bloody, pussy mess that there is no way on this green earth I would consume, and like you say. Who needs Louis Pasteur and his processes
That said, grass fed beef is best for everyone, bovines included. Just difficult to get hold of the stuff.
Cows are already rammed full of antibiotics which may be good for the cow but less good for us second hand consuming them
There is certainly room for nuance in acknowledging that despite the Internet meme of conspiracy milk the food we consume in the West is horrendous in respect of processing and additives etc and often a material contributing factor for many cancers etc.
Good documentary by this bloke i keep meaning to watch. He wrote ultra processed food which is an eye opener.
Probably a whoosh from me but i don't get the second point. People say that's bad as well.
Pretty sure cow methane is worse for the environment than flights. It's not the cows on the fields but the battery farming which is where must of us get our beef and milk from.
I think vegans have a great argument and in the future (100 years or so, hopefully sometime after i've gone) they'll out number us so be grateful to be a live in a time where you can have an all you can eat Brazilian barbeque for £20 and vegans are the weird ones!
Probably a whoosh from me but i don't get the second point. People say that's bad as well.
Pretty sure cow methane is worse for the environment than flights. It's not the cows on the fields but the battery farming which is where must of us get our beef and milk from.
I think vegans have a great argument and in the future (100 years or so, hopefully sometime after i've gone) they'll out number us so be grateful to be a live in a time where you can have an all you can eat Brazilian barbeque for £20 and vegans are the weird ones!
I don't think we're designed to be vegan. We're supposed to eat animals just nowhere near in the quantity we do.
Tried vegan for 6 months and just seemed to be replacing unprocessed healthy foods with processed food and consuming far too many legumes and pulses etc.
Works for many but not for all and not how nature intends.
Definitely strong argument for higher plant focused diets though.
Cows piracy I’ve been told not to believe these conspiracies. Ha ha you couldn’t make this shit up.why are we all not having to take this drug to save the planet. We all fart don’t we.
Humans produce about 1L of flatus a day, 7% of which is methane. Cows produce 250-500L per day. There's about 1.5 billion cows, meaning 120 million metric tonnes per year of methane emitted by cows. For humans it's more like 0.5 million metric tonnes per year. Methane's contribution to climate change is about 80 times more powerful than CO2, though the atmosphere breaks methane down into CO2 eventually anyway so still bad. There's also the fact that far less CO2 is being absorbed by forests because this ridiculous number of cows require somewhere to be and that involves massive deforestation. The cows aren't the whole problem, fossil fuel emissions and there just being too many humans is the main contributor but reducing the contribution of methane to climate change through cattle farming is one way to mitigate it
Staggering amount of twaddle on this thread from the self-proclaimed "critical thinkers". A simple fact: Methane from cows breaks down into natural CO2 and water after 10-12 years. It is part of the natural carbon cycle. Grass absorbs the CO2 by photosynthesis and the cycle repeatedly continues. Cows are, and always have been, environmentally sustainable.
More than a couple of the rabble at work have stated they will only consume raw milk from here on out. I cant wait until they see the stuff, a bloody, pussy mess that there is no way on this green earth I would consume, and like you say. Who needs Louis Pasteur and his processes
That said, grass fed beef is best for everyone, bovines included. Just difficult to get hold of the stuff.
Cows are already rammed full of antibiotics which may be good for the cow but less good for us second hand consuming them
There is certainly room for nuance in acknowledging that despite the Internet meme of conspiracy milk the food we consume in the West is horrendous in respect of processing and additives etc and often a material contributing factor for many cancers etc.
Good documentary by this bloke i keep meaning to watch. He wrote ultra processed food which is an eye opener.
Excellent documentary. I was particularly interested in the fact that Columbia is so far ahead of the game when it comes to food labelling than us. It broke my view about it being a lawless country run by drug barons. In this respect they are doing better than us.
Cows piracy I’ve been told not to believe these conspiracies. Ha ha you couldn’t make this shit up.why are we all not having to take this drug to save the planet. We all fart don’t we.
Humans produce about 1L of flatus a day, 7% of which is methane. Cows produce 250-500L per day. There's about 1.5 billion cows, meaning 120 million metric tonnes per year of methane emitted by cows. For humans it's more like 0.5 million metric tonnes per year. Methane's contribution to climate change is about 80 times more powerful than CO2, though the atmosphere breaks methane down into CO2 eventually anyway so still bad. There's also the fact that far less CO2 is being absorbed by forests because this ridiculous number of cows require somewhere to be and that involves massive deforestation. The cows aren't the whole problem, fossil fuel emissions and there just being too many humans is the main contributor but reducing the contribution of methane to climate change through cattle farming is one way to mitigate it
Staggering amount of twaddle on this thread from the self-proclaimed "critical thinkers". A simple fact: Methane from cows breaks down into natural CO2 and water after 10-12 years. It is part of the natural carbon cycle. Grass absorbs the CO2 by photosynthesis and the cycle repeatedly continues. Cows are, and always have been, environmentally sustainable.
In your race to discredit a highly creditable post you missed out the single most salient fact: 1.5 billion cows is in no way 'natural'.
Cows piracy I’ve been told not to believe these conspiracies. Ha ha you couldn’t make this shit up.why are we all not having to take this drug to save the planet. We all fart don’t we.
Humans produce about 1L of flatus a day, 7% of which is methane. Cows produce 250-500L per day. There's about 1.5 billion cows, meaning 120 million metric tonnes per year of methane emitted by cows. For humans it's more like 0.5 million metric tonnes per year. Methane's contribution to climate change is about 80 times more powerful than CO2, though the atmosphere breaks methane down into CO2 eventually anyway so still bad. There's also the fact that far less CO2 is being absorbed by forests because this ridiculous number of cows require somewhere to be and that involves massive deforestation. The cows aren't the whole problem, fossil fuel emissions and there just being too many humans is the main contributor but reducing the contribution of methane to climate change through cattle farming is one way to mitigate it
Staggering amount of twaddle on this thread from the self-proclaimed "critical thinkers". A simple fact: Methane from cows breaks down into natural CO2 and water after 10-12 years. It is part of the natural carbon cycle. Grass absorbs the CO2 by photosynthesis and the cycle repeatedly continues. Cows are, and always have been, environmentally sustainable.
Erm, perhaps a rather definite statement for the reality, IMO.
With all animals there is a sustainable population, regulated by nature (including starvation, disease, and predation, the main predator species affecting cattle in the UK having been hunted to extinction), but, when humans muck things around, the sustainability is less certain.
We are eating much more meat, of all sorts, and much more dairy products than was the norm throughout history and agribusiness, including the size of herds worldwide, has grown to reflect that.
The clearances of rainforests in South America to allow for intensified cattle farming (like those cleared in SE Asia for Palm Oil) are clearly unsustainable. American style feed lots, rare on this side of the Atlantic, where thousands of cattle are penned in together are also unsustainable.
The image that we have of cattle farming, and the impacts of cattle on the environment, are coloured by what happens here (including the impact of EU farming policies for 40 years), where intensification in beef farming in particular had been followed by a push towards extensification in farming practices, and a significant proportion of both beef and dairy cattle being largely grass fed (though both will also be fed meal). Admittedly, dairy farming is, because the price per litre is so low, much more likely to be intensive.
There is a lot of research going in to reducing methane produced by cattle, including mixing seaweed into their feed (which is reputed to be helpful), but all natural solutions will be finite resources, so it is hardly surprising that business is eyeing other options.
If you want sustainable cattle numbers, for the animals' own welfare and the wider environment, reduce the herd sizes and increase the prices of the produce. I'm not sure how many of us, though would be willing to pay £15-£20 for a Big Mac.
Probably a whoosh from me but i don't get the second point. People say that's bad as well.
Pretty sure cow methane is worse for the environment than flights. It's not the cows on the fields but the battery farming which is where must of us get our beef and milk from.
I think vegans have a great argument and in the future (100 years or so, hopefully sometime after i've gone) they'll out number us so be grateful to be a live in a time where you can have an all you can eat Brazilian barbeque for £20 and vegans are the weird ones!
I don't think we're designed to be vegan. We're supposed to eat animals just nowhere near in the quantity we do.
Tried vegan for 6 months and just seemed to be replacing unprocessed healthy foods with processed food and consuming far too many legumes and pulses etc.
Works for many but not for all and not how nature intends.
Definitely strong argument for higher plant focused diets though.
I don't get the we're supposed to eat meat line. It's just something we've always done. Probably going to trigger some cranks here, but nature doesn't have us having vaccines and living past 50! And if you compare what we look like to a carnivorous animal...
I'm talking a long way into the future where the faults of veganism would have been resolved. It's not a diet i would want to try for a extended length of time.
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3 pages in without a vegan comment, something about people leaving care affording milk, or a debate between northern and southern Irish cows...
Has someone checked if Seth is ok?
With the bird flu problems currently being experienced on US poultry and dairy farms, we definitely don't want to import their products.
Just had a meeting today with one of our resellers and she's been coughing a lot since she had Covid. She believes it's due to the respiratory nature of the disease, which can affect the lungs.
Will be very convincing for the "left behind" constituency.
All bollocks obviously but good strategy.
None of this woke pasteurisation nonsense.
More than a couple of the rabble at work have stated they will only consume raw milk from here on out. I cant wait until they see the stuff, a bloody, pussy mess that there is no way on this green earth I would consume, and like you say. Who needs Louis Pasteur and his processes
That said, grass fed beef is best for everyone, bovines included. Just difficult to get hold of the stuff.
Cows are already rammed full of antibiotics which may be good for the cow but less good for us second hand consuming them
Good documentary by this bloke i keep meaning to watch. He wrote ultra processed food which is an eye opener.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating
Pretty sure cow methane is worse for the environment than flights. It's not the cows on the fields but the battery farming which is where must of us get our beef and milk from.
I think vegans have a great argument and in the future (100 years or so, hopefully sometime after i've gone) they'll out number us so be grateful to be a live in a time where you can have an all you can eat Brazilian barbeque for £20 and vegans are the weird ones!
Tried vegan for 6 months and just seemed to be replacing unprocessed healthy foods with processed food and consuming far too many legumes and pulses etc.
Works for many but not for all and not how nature intends.
Definitely strong argument for higher plant focused diets though.
Staggering amount of twaddle on this thread from the self-proclaimed "critical thinkers".
A simple fact:
Methane from cows breaks down into natural CO2 and water after 10-12 years. It is part of the natural carbon cycle. Grass absorbs the CO2 by photosynthesis and the cycle repeatedly continues.
Cows are, and always have been, environmentally sustainable.
With all animals there is a sustainable population, regulated by nature (including starvation, disease, and predation, the main predator species affecting cattle in the UK having been hunted to extinction), but, when humans muck things around, the sustainability is less certain.
We are eating much more meat, of all sorts, and much more dairy products than was the norm throughout history and agribusiness, including the size of herds worldwide, has grown to reflect that.
The clearances of rainforests in South America to allow for intensified cattle farming (like those cleared in SE Asia for Palm Oil) are clearly unsustainable.
American style feed lots, rare on this side of the Atlantic, where thousands of cattle are penned in together are also unsustainable.
The image that we have of cattle farming, and the impacts of cattle on the environment, are coloured by what happens here (including the impact of EU farming policies for 40 years), where intensification in beef farming in particular had been followed by a push towards extensification in farming practices, and a significant proportion of both beef and dairy cattle being largely grass fed (though both will also be fed meal). Admittedly, dairy farming is, because the price per litre is so low, much more likely to be intensive.
There is a lot of research going in to reducing methane produced by cattle, including mixing seaweed into their feed (which is reputed to be helpful), but all natural solutions will be finite resources, so it is hardly surprising that business is eyeing other options.
If you want sustainable cattle numbers, for the animals' own welfare and the wider environment, reduce the herd sizes and increase the prices of the produce. I'm not sure how many of us, though would be willing to pay £15-£20 for a Big Mac.
I'm talking a long way into the future where the faults of veganism would have been resolved. It's not a diet i would want to try for a extended length of time.