My thoughts are the same as pre-season, the lack of quality is glaring. And I know we lost our three best players and didn't improve on them, but I did accept the idea that the 'system' might be more important... Now we're 12 games in... What system? NJ is still trying to find one.
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Spot on. Not to worry though, apparently fans (particularly the younger generation) aren't that bothered about Charlton results, and more so the match day experience. Not my words, only a Charlton share/stakeholders.
We've found out just far you can go purely on effort and pressing. And that will get you survival comfortably, maybe into the play offs if you are very lucky but most likely squarely into the also ran midtable nobodies... again.
I hope that this is just part one of a bigger plan by Jones and the SMT but I honestly expected/hoped for much better.
Can't recall the last time I have been so consistently bored watching us. At the moment my attention span in most games is about 20-30mins. The phone then comes out and I start following my bets rather than our game.
The squad is so vanilla it's criminal. Dixon may change that, but that is a huge maybe.
The midfield is one paced and one dimensional. Last night was ridiculous, we had an extra man there and Barnsley played round us with ease.
Defensively we are totally reliant on Jones and Ramsey being fit, loose them and any semblance of leadership is gone.
Upfront something is seriously missing. Regardless of poor service it doesn't feel like there are enough goals for a promotion push. It's typical of our record with injuries, that 2 weeks ago we seemed way overloaded up front and now we are potentially short and risking overplaying Leaburn.
It was never realistic to think we could completely turn round last season's absolute shower of shit in one window, but it's starting to feel that quality wise we are way short of top six.
Ultimately my biggest concern is that the players haven't bought into what Jones is trying to create. I would be very interested to hear their honest opinions of him. He is a proper Marmite character and I can see things unwinding if results don't become more consistent.
Bristol Rovers was up there as one of the worst performances I have seen in the last 10 years and I was immediately thinking Jones had lost the dressing room/something wasn't right. Last night wasn't as bad, but I still got the impression that the players aren't willing to completely bust a gut for the manager.
Just got to hope the grind of a League One season slows down the early season pace-setters and that Leaburn cracks in a few hatricks before being sold.
Still yet to play our best and we're a point off the playoffs. Yes it hasn't been pretty and yes it's been frustrating quite often but this league is wide open this year. NJ took over the worst Charlton side I've seen that had a real concern over it being relegated. Will probably need 3 or 4 windows to get exactly where he wants to be squad wise but for me its not a bad start. Next month and half will probably give us a better idea of where we end up at the end of the season.
We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
Less worried then others, suspect if the Birmingham and Stockport results had been reversed we would all be more relaxed. You're not out of play-off contention before the yellow balls come out next week, and there is still plenty of football to play.
With the exception of Birmingham and possibly Wycombe, there were coupon busters all over League One last night, proving its unpredictability. We had become very predictable, as painfully exposed during the 3 defeats on the spin, so NJ tried something different in the Birmingham game and fair play for doing so. The injuries to 3 key players, especially Jones and Ramsey will do us no favours at all and we now have to find an impact player again. My pessimistic/pragmatic attitude says 32 points more then go from there as ever, we're just consistently inconsistent at present with a very prickly character at the helm. It could be a lot worse, Saturday for those of us who concentrate on football will possibly provide a clearer insight one way or the other.
Still yet to play our best and we're a point off the playoffs. Yes it hasn't been pretty and yes it's been frustrating quite often but this league is wide open this year. NJ took over the worst Charlton side I've seen that had a real concern over it being relegated. Will probably need 3 or 4 windows to get exactly where he wants to be squad wise but for me its not a bad start. Next month and half will probably give us a better idea of where we end up at the end of the season.
But how do you know we are yet to play our best. My concern is that it is starting to look like maybe for these players this is their best.
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
Who funds the Club's operating losses if not the owners?
Away from the Valley we look poor….wont be going up playing like that away. Home form is better but the lack of goals when on top is an issue. I predict we finish outside of playoffs 7th or 8th
We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
May has scored 1 goal in his last 7 games, and that's for a team producing a hell of a lot more than we are. He's always been a streaky player with very good purple patches but I don't think he would be the difference between us winning and drawing many more games at the moment as we create so few chances. May has 5 goals in 14 games across approx 848 minutes this season, Godden has 4 goals in 12 games across approx 494 minutes. May has started 10 games, Godden 6. He might have taken one of Godden's chances yesterday but he misses chances too, as any L1 striker will. I'd much, much rather have had him this season than not but I think we have far wider issues to work on than just having a goalscorer, and Godden's not produced substantially less so far this season than May has in a much weaker team. I don't think May would have more than 4 or 5 goals in our team this season based on what we've created so far.
A quarter of the way through The squad is dangerously thin at the back and up front. Toothless in front of goal. Missing a moderate defender like Jones as badly as we do is damning on how bad the rest of them are. A couple of injuries and it's really hard to see where we get a positive result. We're overburdened with moderate to hopeless midfielders. It took 10 games for the manager to devise a best fit shape/strategy Even then he still doesn't seem to have a handle on who best to put in which position. NJ's tactics have mostly been: hang on grimly for about an hour, then I can throw on Chuks and his presence might do the trick. All undone by losing Jones, Ramsey and Chuks We're as high in the league as it's likely we could be. Matching last season's finish might be harder than we'd like.
Disappointed but more optimistic than in previous years. You can see what we're trying to do, patterns of play etc at least. But we keep may and we prob pick up an extra 8-10points from where we are even at this early season point!
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
Who funds the Club's operating losses if not the owners?
This isn't a promotion winning squad. Not enough creative attacking play from the middle of the park and an inability to play with any width will handcuff us. we will end up pretty close to where we are now in the table (11th) and will need to recruit better next summer as January won't be ideal to pick up what we need to improve us sufficiently. It's better than last season in terms of organisation and feel around the club, but more quality is needed if we are to be promoted anytime soon.
As far as I can see we are more or less where most people thought we would be. Better than last season since NJ took over, difficult to beat and almost certainly good enough to avoid a serious relegation struggle. However probably not quite good enough to make the Play-Offs, and very little chance of threatening the top 2. Averaging a goal again isn't good enough but things could change going forward, especially if we have a good transfer window.
midtable again and another year festering in the 3rd division of english football another year closer to the eventual closing of the gates i would say.
midtable again and another year festering in the 3rd division of english football another year closer to the eventual closing of the gates i would say.
Lol if clubs closed up shop because of a few shit years, there wouldn't be any football clubs left!
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
Who funds the Club's operating losses if not the owners?
"On the field", as I stated.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
May has scored 1 goal in his last 7 games, and that's for a team producing a hell of a lot more than we are. He's always been a streaky player with very good purple patches but I don't think he would be the difference between us winning and drawing many more games at the moment as we create so few chances. May has 5 goals in 14 games across approx 848 minutes this season, Godden has 4 goals in 12 games across approx 494 minutes. May has started 10 games, Godden 6. He might have taken one of Godden's chances yesterday but he misses chances too, as any L1 striker will. I'd much, much rather have had him this season than not but I think we have far wider issues to work on than just having a goalscorer, and Godden's not produced substantially less so far this season than May has in a much weaker team. I don't think May would have more than 4 or 5 goals in our team this season based on what we've created so far.
Lol, “Streaky”
21/22: 23 goals 22/23: 20 goals 23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
I still go into every game day this season thinking it will be the day it all clicks together..
I still have the hope that Jones is the one to get us out of this shit league.. but some of the football we are playing is proper awful, bottom of the barrel stuff… I really like a few members of the squad - and I do think a strong base is there.. we’re just god awful going forward and I’m not sure where the change or creativity to break teams down is going to come from.
I don’t understand how we can be so poor against the teams you’d expect a Nathan Jones style, hard working, top 6 budget team to beat, and play so well against the teams I’d wager would pummel us.. such a weird team.
I think we will be a better team after jan and be scraping playoffs. No promotion this year.
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
Who funds the Club's operating losses if not the owners?
"On the field", as I stated.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
I've no idea what's they've spent on the field, but I do know what they are allowed to spend isn't unlimited as it's constrained by our turnover. Them's the rules.
I still go into every game day this season thinking it will be the day it all clicks together..
I still have the hope that Jones is the one to get us out of this shit league.. but some of the football we are playing is proper awful, bottom of the barrel stuff… I really like a few members of the squad - and I do think a strong base is there.. we’re just god awful going forward and I’m not sure where the change or creativity to break teams down is going to come from.
I don’t understand how we can be so poor against the teams you’d expect a Nathan Jones style, hard working, top 6 budget team to beat, and play so well against the teams I’d wager would pummel us.. such a weird team.
I think we will be a better team after jan and be scraping playoffs. No promotion this year.
This sums up my feeling exactly mate. The optimist in me thinks there is a game coming soon where we "click" and give someone a proper hiding. This team has so much potential but just seems to be spluttering and misfiring. Sure there are some players that are starting that are a mystery to me as to why but in the main we are far better than we have shown so far I feel.
Saturday is a massive game in terms of our season I think. If we fail to beat Wrexham I think the confidence will go even lower than it seems to be at the moment. I really hope NJ has everyone up for the game as Im sure the ex CAFC players will be champing at the bit from the get go and anything less than 100% commitment wont be good enough
We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
Exactly this. For all the talk of Methven & Co improving things off the pitch, running things sensibly, owners being excited by the challenge etc etc, the fact is that on the field they have:
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry. - Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan. - Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
Who funds the Club's operating losses if not the owners?
"On the field", as I stated.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
I've no idea what's they've spent on the field, but I do know what they are allowed to spend isn't unlimited as it's constrained by our turnover. Them's the rules.
I recall reading somewhere that we spent £1.3m and £700,000 of that was the Alfie May money.
So if true all our investors made up the difference of £600,000
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I hope that this is just part one of a bigger plan by Jones and the SMT but I honestly expected/hoped for much better.
The squad is so vanilla it's criminal. Dixon may change that, but that is a huge maybe.
The midfield is one paced and one dimensional. Last night was ridiculous, we had an extra man there and Barnsley played round us with ease.
Defensively we are totally reliant on Jones and Ramsey being fit, loose them and any semblance of leadership is gone.
Upfront something is seriously missing. Regardless of poor service it doesn't feel like there are enough goals for a promotion push. It's typical of our record with injuries, that 2 weeks ago we seemed way overloaded up front and now we are potentially short and risking overplaying Leaburn.
It was never realistic to think we could completely turn round last season's absolute shower of shit in one window, but it's starting to feel that quality wise we are way short of top six.
Ultimately my biggest concern is that the players haven't bought into what Jones is trying to create. I would be very interested to hear their honest opinions of him. He is a proper Marmite character and I can see things unwinding if results don't become more consistent.
Bristol Rovers was up there as one of the worst performances I have seen in the last 10 years and I was immediately thinking Jones had lost the dressing room/something wasn't right. Last night wasn't as bad, but I still got the impression that the players aren't willing to completely bust a gut for the manager.
Just got to hope the grind of a League One season slows down the early season pace-setters and that Leaburn cracks in a few hatricks before being sold.
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry.
- Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan.
- Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
The squad is dangerously thin at the back and up front.
Toothless in front of goal. Missing a moderate defender like Jones as badly as we do is damning on how bad the rest of them are.
A couple of injuries and it's really hard to see where we get a positive result.
We're overburdened with moderate to hopeless midfielders.
It took 10 games for the manager to devise a best fit shape/strategy
Even then he still doesn't seem to have a handle on who best to put in which position.
NJ's tactics have mostly been: hang on grimly for about an hour, then I can throw on Chuks and his presence might do the trick.
All undone by losing Jones, Ramsey and Chuks
We're as high in the league as it's likely we could be. Matching last season's finish might be harder than we'd like.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
I still have the hope that Jones is the one to get us out of this shit league.. but some of the football we are playing is proper awful, bottom of the barrel stuff… I really like a few members of the squad - and I do think a strong base is there.. we’re just god awful going forward and I’m not sure where the change or creativity to break teams down is going to come from.
I don’t understand how we can be so poor against the teams you’d expect a Nathan Jones style, hard working, top 6 budget team to beat, and play so well against the teams I’d wager would pummel us.. such a weird team.
Saturday is a massive game in terms of our season I think. If we fail to beat Wrexham I think the confidence will go even lower than it seems to be at the moment. I really hope NJ has everyone up for the game as Im sure the ex CAFC players will be champing at the bit from the get go and anything less than 100% commitment wont be good enough
So if true all our investors made up the difference of £600,000