@callumcafc I’ve had a little look at the post match comments I could find I provided for the early games of the season. It’s interesting (from my perspective) and I think shows what I think is the most disappointing thing. The fundamental things that felt not quite right with the make up of the team and approach were there from Day One and haven’t been positively addressed in 4 months. Lots of things don’t work out in football, but the important thing is realising it and positively acting upon it. I fear Jones just isn’t seeing it.
Wimbledon friendly - You tell yourself it is only a friendly so doesn’t matter but I come away really disappointed. I think much of that was due to:
a, it just looked so similar to last season! This was an excellent pre-cursor game for what we will face repeadly in L1, a limited but combative team who do the basics, out hussle us and then go on to score relatively easily.
b. we had very little attacking play and no cohesion at all in the final third.
c. Ahadme’s cameo was a concern. His touch was off, easily disposed and just didn’t look he possessed much natural striker ability d. We looked both lightweight in midfield and uncreative in formation.
no alarm bells at all, but equally nothing on display there to inspire any confidence. We’ll hopefully look a lot better with Ramsey and Small on the flanks, but we also need to be better in all three central areas than what was displayed yesterday as otherwise this season is likely to look similar to last season.
Wigan away - Reading this thread I seem to be a lot less positive (note, not negative) than others.
I thought it was largely a god-awful, nondescript game with a complete absence of creativity or quality on display. It was only the left winger who come on 2nd half for Wigan that seemed to add anything in that regard and generally I felt if anyone would Nick a goal they’d be more likely.
Fortunately there was a defensive error that led to our goal. Jones produced a fantastic finish you wouldn’t expect from a centre half. One moment effectively dictated the game and had that mistake and strike been at the other end the consensus on here on the performance would have been completely different and the performance marks halved.
Thankfully, it wasn’t though. Three points is ultimately all that matters and we got them. We have to get out of this league, the football is awful. I don’t know whether it’s playing in half empty stadiums that doesn’t help but I watched some of Blackburn v Derby and the gulf to the quality of football, pace of game to the Championship now seems huge.
Will be interesting to see how our approach is at home when the emphasis will be more on us to dictate attacking play as opposed to keeping it right away from home and then try to nick something.
Hopefully the opening win takes pressure off and acts as a platform to improve.
Birmingham (Cup) - I really wish I could be more like @Callumcafc
i really do mate.
I’ve seen us three times in recent weeks (a friendly, a. League game, a cup game) and I’ve seen absolutely nothing to give me any confidence we might get a bit of enjoyment and excitement from this season (and we are already out of one of the two cups in the opening breath of the season).
We seem a bit more workmanlike in the press and a bit more defensively organised, but I’ve seen too many other positives from nearly 300 mins of football tbh. We seem to have a big squad with a lot of averageness. No idea where a decent goals return will come from if Leaburn doesn’t come back soon and come back good.
Really hope I’m being harsh and things kick in soon as I’m not finding it a great watch at the moment
Reading away - morning after the night before and still disappointed. A real back down to earth with a bump after the Bolton performance.
I suppose the disappointing thing is before yesterday we thought with this current team that we will not make many chances but we will work bloody hard and out battle most. Yesterday we were second best all over the park, not only did Reading outplay us they were sharper in all areas. Wasn’t expecting that.
First half was awful, just wasn’t at the races. A tactical injury for Mannion allowed a chat and regroup (we’ll see a lot of this this season as keepers don’t need to go off) so a slight improvement, but there only felt one team in the game.
2nd half we looked sharper, and threatening to be one of those classic away steal games, but when we got in final third areas we just didn’t have any conviction. Once they scored the result felt inevitable.
All round a really disappointing day and felt no different to the February visit there. Only positive was getting away well, not getting caught up in the muggy behaviour that seems to be actively encouraged there, and stepping off the train at Sidcup within 2hrs of leaving my seat.
We go again. Let’s hope yesterday was the blip and not the norm. Really concerned about us attacking though.
Rotherham home - I said on the match thread at half time, reading the comments from those watching online there feels such a disparity of what’s being observed watching online to being in the stadium.
I don’t know if it’s the lack of movement or the amount of time the ball is bouncing around in the air etc not being so noticeable online, or you’re able to not emotionally invest yourself so much, I don’t know. I’m not criticising those not there so please don’t take it that way, it’s just an observation. The different view to what people were seeing in Ahadme online compared to everyone around me in the stand was palpable.
Things picked up 2nd half and it was a fantastic goal by Chucks. But with us now having a good feel of what a good League One team looks like, I was expecting us to be better than this so far.
I know we’ve only lost once, and I can’t fault the effort in any way. I’m just desperate to now get out of this league but I just can’t see how we are going to get our attacking play and midfield working in the first 2/3rds of a game.
I’d take boring football but it’s not boring. It’s shit.
It's both. It's extremely tedious to watch, it's not even effective and even the players seem to be lacking much enthusiasm or belief in it.
If it looked like the squad actually had a plan that they were trying to follow but not working out that's one thing but aside from a very few they seem to be going through the motions.
This is Jones problem, he only has one gear and one mode of communication which is this hyper passionate, almost deranged approach. It might work to give a kick up the arse at first but it seems to have gotten pretty old to the players just as much as the fans.
I was massively excited when Jones was appointed and was willing to deal with last season's style of play as a means to an end and a quick fix to get us safe, expecting this summer to be about building a side to play a more attractive and expansive style of football. Alas I think the football has got even worse and these major signings with championship reputations and big experience just haven't panned out at all. I'll give him Alex Mitchell, Edwards and Godden as summer arrivals that have at least shown they'll be good signings.
I just don't know where this goes - he's too stubborn to change the style of play , i don't expect us to suddenly be a buccaneering 433 with Dixon and TC flanking Leaburn as we pass teams off the pitch with 40 pass moves but the current style of play is some of the worst I've seen. I also wonder how long his methods will last with the players before they suss him out like Southampton and Stoke did.
I really don't want to be back on the managerial merry-go-round again because it makes the club look like a laughing stock but Jones has to turn this around and fast. If Jones doesn't turn this around then I expect Scott and Rodwell to go with him because it's been a complete disaster recruitment wise both managerially and on the player front.
We ended up with Appleton and Jones because we’re already a laughing stock. No decent manager will touch us. We need to to get rid of Scott, Rodwell and Methven, otherwise it’s going to be the same disastrous recruitment and washed up, desperate managers.
Well possibly but let’s not minimise the fact that we’ve been a basket case club with a shocking reputation for ten years. Long before the current SMT ringmasters.
There is a process. Time will tell but IMO we need to stick with a manager and enjoy the journey. I'll still be Charlton whatever happens. Need the lows to appreciate the highs. TC and Leaburn credit to the club tonight. COYA
The process only appears to work against bottom of the league sides playing with ten men.
We are going to have to stick with him, I agree. There's not a manager in the land that will get a tune out of this bunch.
And I cant see these owners sticking their hands in their pockets for thier third fresh start in two seasons!
Thinking back when we played the higher teams I think our football was less long ball and more on the deck. Energetic pressing etc.
When we played the less successful teams, we seem to be going long. I wonder if this is a tactic, something to do with confidence or necessity because we can't break them down.
I might be wrong though as I could have misremember the games.
As others have said before we can't keep sacking managers. The number we have been through has been ridiculous.
@callumcafc I’ve had a little look at the post match comments I could find I provided for the early games of the season. It’s interesting (from my perspective) and I think shows what I think is the most disappointing thing. The fundamental things that felt not quite right with the make up of the team and approach were there from Day One and haven’t been positively addressed in 4 months. Lots of things don’t work out in football, but the important thing is realising it and positively acting upon it. I fear Jones just isn’t seeing it.
Wimbledon friendly - You tell yourself it is only a friendly so doesn’t matter but I come away really disappointed. I think much of that was due to:
a, it just looked so similar to last season! This was an excellent pre-cursor game for what we will face repeadly in L1, a limited but combative team who do the basics, out hussle us and then go on to score relatively easily.
b. we had very little attacking play and no cohesion at all in the final third.
c. Ahadme’s cameo was a concern. His touch was off, easily disposed and just didn’t look he possessed much natural striker ability d. We looked both lightweight in midfield and uncreative in formation.
no alarm bells at all, but equally nothing on display there to inspire any confidence. We’ll hopefully look a lot better with Ramsey and Small on the flanks, but we also need to be better in all three central areas than what was displayed yesterday as otherwise this season is likely to look similar to last season.
Wigan away - Reading this thread I seem to be a lot less positive (note, not negative) than others.
I thought it was largely a god-awful, nondescript game with a complete absence of creativity or quality on display. It was only the left winger who come on 2nd half for Wigan that seemed to add anything in that regard and generally I felt if anyone would Nick a goal they’d be more likely.
Fortunately there was a defensive error that led to our goal. Jones produced a fantastic finish you wouldn’t expect from a centre half. One moment effectively dictated the game and had that mistake and strike been at the other end the consensus on here on the performance would have been completely different and the performance marks halved.
Thankfully, it wasn’t though. Three points is ultimately all that matters and we got them. We have to get out of this league, the football is awful. I don’t know whether it’s playing in half empty stadiums that doesn’t help but I watched some of Blackburn v Derby and the gulf to the quality of football, pace of game to the Championship now seems huge.
Will be interesting to see how our approach is at home when the emphasis will be more on us to dictate attacking play as opposed to keeping it right away from home and then try to nick something.
Hopefully the opening win takes pressure off and acts as a platform to improve.
Birmingham (Cup) - I really wish I could be more like @Callumcafc
i really do mate.
I’ve seen us three times in recent weeks (a friendly, a. League game, a cup game) and I’ve seen absolutely nothing to give me any confidence we might get a bit of enjoyment and excitement from this season (and we are already out of one of the two cups in the opening breath of the season).
We seem a bit more workmanlike in the press and a bit more defensively organised, but I’ve seen too many other positives from nearly 300 mins of football tbh. We seem to have a big squad with a lot of averageness. No idea where a decent goals return will come from if Leaburn doesn’t come back soon and come back good.
Really hope I’m being harsh and things kick in soon as I’m not finding it a great watch at the moment
Reading away - morning after the night before and still disappointed. A real back down to earth with a bump after the Bolton performance.
I suppose the disappointing thing is before yesterday we thought with this current team that we will not make many chances but we will work bloody hard and out battle most. Yesterday we were second best all over the park, not only did Reading outplay us they were sharper in all areas. Wasn’t expecting that.
First half was awful, just wasn’t at the races. A tactical injury for Mannion allowed a chat and regroup (we’ll see a lot of this this season as keepers don’t need to go off) so a slight improvement, but there only felt one team in the game.
2nd half we looked sharper, and threatening to be one of those classic away steal games, but when we got in final third areas we just didn’t have any conviction. Once they scored the result felt inevitable.
All round a really disappointing day and felt no different to the February visit there. Only positive was getting away well, not getting caught up in the muggy behaviour that seems to be actively encouraged there, and stepping off the train at Sidcup within 2hrs of leaving my seat.
We go again. Let’s hope yesterday was the blip and not the norm. Really concerned about us attacking though.
Rotherham home - I said on the match thread at half time, reading the comments from those watching online there feels such a disparity of what’s being observed watching online to being in the stadium.
I don’t know if it’s the lack of movement or the amount of time the ball is bouncing around in the air etc not being so noticeable online, or you’re able to not emotionally invest yourself so much, I don’t know. I’m not criticising those not there so please don’t take it that way, it’s just an observation. The different view to what people were seeing in Ahadme online compared to everyone around me in the stand was palpable.
Things picked up 2nd half and it was a fantastic goal by Chucks. But with us now having a good feel of what a good League One team looks like, I was expecting us to be better than this so far.
I know we’ve only lost once, and I can’t fault the effort in any way. I’m just desperate to now get out of this league but I just can’t see how we are going to get our attacking play and midfield working in the first 2/3rds of a game.
👏 I could share various similar posts from myself.
here is just 1, after Shrews away when we were I think in 2nd place. And I take no satisfaction in being proved right at all, quite the opposite - however, I am thoroughly tired of the position we find ourselves in as a club and it really, really grates on me to see people so consistently and repeatedly burying their heads in the sand about owners, managers and players and therefore tacitly endorsing their respective utter incompetence.
Great result and 13 from 6 is excellent.
However I don’t feel hugely confident after that! Thought it was a dire performance against one of the worst teams for sure, lucky to come away with a win (could easily have lost on another day). We’re playing a game of very fine lines and I just struggle to see us keeping this going all season without it turning a bit at least at some point 🤷🏼♂️
pray it keeps going and we can stay up there but I really strongly feel we are going to have to start playing well at some point if we want to do anything this season.
The win at Burton has possibly saved him from the sack despite the facts that his chosen team looked disorganised and toothless and (bottom of the table) Burton had a man sent off Shows how that in pro football, there is a very fine hairline between employment and the dole. One win and probably keeping his job does not mean that Jones N is now a terrific manager, he plainly is not
Some will disagree but I’ve got to congratulate Nathan Jones - he’s created the dullest, most boring Charlton team I’ve seen the almost 30 years I’ve supported us.
Even our relegation sides and mid table L1 sides had a few players with flair, creativity or pace.
Both Phil Parkinson and Russell Slade managed us and played cautious defensive football, but even they found room for players like Shelvey, Kyel Reid, Lookman, Holmes etc.
Jones doesn’t have many options to add those qualities but it’s 100% clear that was a deliberate choice. He believed we could out run, out battle and out muscle opponents, and by signing players who had done it for him in the past he was confident they’d drive that culture and it would get results.
There is no doubt there would have been capable attacking midfielders and wingers available to us, whether permanent or loans, but Jones decided not to bring any in (Dixon a cheap punt driven by our Jamaica link hardly counts).
For me we need a more balanced approach in our style and the type of players we go for. I have huge doubts he’ll admit it’s not worked and sign the right players we need to change it. If we stick with the current approach I feel certain it won’t end well.
Sadly, very sadly I now think he’s done. I’m not saying it’s imminent or even soon but there’s nothing about what we’re seeing that suggests even the possibility of some sort of playing renaissance. It’s dull, ineffective, one dimensional and it’s with predominantly his players. We’re mid table and it’s about right. That won’t be tolerated next season and I think he’ll be gone around this time next season.
Sadly, very sadly I now think he’s done. I’m not saying it’s imminent or even soon but there’s nothing about what we’re seeing that suggests even the possibility of some sort of playing renaissance. It’s dull, ineffective, one dimensional and it’s with predominantly his players. We’re mid table and it’s about right. That won’t be tolerated next season and I think he’ll be gone around this time next season.
Correct. The owners will probably disappear before Jones does.
I think that we need stability and should keep NJ.
However I asked Chat GPT in general what she thinks about Charlton's problems:
If neither the manager change nor the loss of key players fully explains their struggles, it might indicate deeper, systemic issues at Charlton Athletic. The club has a history of underperforming despite having solid budgets, which suggests potential issues with overall club management or long-term strategy.
Perhaps a combination of better recruitment, managerial stability, and a clearer vision for the future could help them turn things around.
The key for Charlton Athletic, and similar teams, really lies in building a long-term strategy with better recruitment, ensuring managerial stability, and fostering strong team cohesion. That way, they can avoid the ups and downs caused by frequent changes and player losses.
It seems like Charlton has had struggles in this area recently, with managerial changes and player turnover. As you mentioned, a clearer, more consistent approach could be what they need to get back on track.
Charlton Athletic has been experiencing difficulties in recent seasons, and it seems like several factors are contributing to their challenges. The departure of key players like Alfie May and George Dobson had a notable impact on the team's performance. These players were influential in previous campaigns, so their absence left gaps that the team struggled to fill.
Additionally, the managerial changes and coaching staff updates have played a role. The club appointed Nathan Jones as the new head coach and made several key staff changes to improve the team's dynamics. However, it seems the adjustments are still a work in progress. The team's inconsistency in performance, particularly in converting chances, has been a major issue.
Overall, while managerial strategies and staff updates might eventually bring results, the club is still in the process of rebuilding and adjusting to these changes, which could explain why they haven't been performing as well as before.
Most of the discussion on a few threads boils down to the fact we need to spend a bit more but spend it better. Identifying that issue is the easy bit, agreeing on a fix is the tricky one
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.
I think he saved from a relegation fright, but is leading us into another.
Loss of 3 quality players, Coventry is nearly as good as Dobson but definitely not better. Replacements for May and CBT...nah.
Lack of passing quality/lack of movement/shortage of any sort of skill/lack of pace (TC aside). Hopefully Leaburn will save us , god help us if he is sold in January.
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Well for starters the players actually pressed properly and showed some sort of energy and enthusiasm. So maybe its fair to say that the actual tactics may have been similar but the execution was not. Maybe everyone was just really up for it that day. Maybe Birmingham set up in a way that made them particularly susceptible. Maybe it was just a fluke.
Since then we have not had the results, OR the performances.
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Well for starters the players actually pressed properly and showed some sort of energy and enthusiasm. So maybe its fair to say that the actual tactics may have been similar but the execution was not. Maybe everyone was just really up for it that day. Maybe Birmingham set up in a way that made them particularly susceptible. Maybe it was just a fluke.
Since then we have not had the results, OR the performances.
We’ve played well against teams that like to play from the back and play football. We’ve beaten Birmingham, Bolton and Wigan, one of our best performances was against Stockport. This suits the Jones style as we are difficult to break down and good at pressing high when teams try to play out. I think we will beat Crawley next week, as they are a team that try’s to play that way
Our problem is games against any other style, we can’t break teams down so have to go very direct. And although we are good defensively when we are sat back against those teams that play football, we are vulnerable on the counter attack and from set pieces so have looked more open against weaker sides
So against weaker sides we can’t break them down, concede on the counter or from a set piece and lose. Against the better sides we actually do quite well. I think Jones was planning on us being able to bully and almost bulldoze through the weaker teams, but that hasn’t worked
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Well for starters the players actually pressed properly and showed some sort of energy and enthusiasm. So maybe its fair to say that the actual tactics may have been similar but the execution was not. Maybe everyone was just really up for it that day. Maybe Birmingham set up in a way that made them particularly susceptible. Maybe it was just a fluke.
Since then we have not had the results, OR the performances.
We’ve played well against teams that like to play from the back and play football. We’ve beaten Birmingham, Bolton and Wigan, one of our best performances was against Stockport. This suits the Jones style as we are difficult to break down and good at pressing high when teams try to play out. I think we will beat Crawley next week, as they are a team that try’s to play that way
Our problem is games against any other style, we can’t break teams down so have to go very direct. And although we are good defensively when we are sat back against those teams that play football, we are vulnerable on the counter attack and from set pieces so have looked more open against weaker sides
So against weaker sides we can’t break them down, concede on the counter or from a set piece and lose. Against the better sides we actually do quite well. I think Jones was planning on us being able to bully and almost bulldoze through the weaker teams, but that hasn’t worked
I think Jones style is more likely to succeed in the championship, where nearly every team plays the modern way, play out from the back etc. So it’s no surprise his Luton team were able to press and bully their way to success.
In league 1 there is such a mix of styles that being good against one type of football is not enough to be successful. Hopefully January is a point where we re-assess our style and recruitment so that we can pick up points in those games, rather than just against the better footballing sides in the league
I asked chatbox to see what they could come up with, it came back with this:
'Your club needs to spend some f*****g money'
irony on this thread mate is they spent some money on Jones
Yeah that is true, he would also cost a fortune to pay off, so he has plenty of time to turn this around I imagine.
In regards to the performances, there were definitely people unhappy about the style and getting some forum stick for it.
I said straight away that is isn't pretty to watch and it's going to be a long old season if we don't win, which so far, has held true. There were definitely a fair few others with the same mindset.
I know Golfie comes across negative, but he was right in highlighting our goal threat early doors, but he was met with undermining comments and people essentially saying that a wins a win.
It's always been a concern how there's been a lack of goal threat this season.
The three standout performances this season were Birmingham, Bolton and Stockport. Those were the performances that should have been the standard, we also had a good spell against Rotherham. Other than that, it's been very difficult to get behind.
I can say with full confidence we have been dire away from home and some of our home results like Orient and Wrexham were difficult to watch
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.
People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.
There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.
People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.
There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
If we do not end up in the play-offs come the end of the season this will be seen as failure.
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.
People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.
There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
I certainly admire your optimism Callum but sadly I don’t think many share it .
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.
People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.
There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
I certainly admire your optimism Callum but sadly I don’t think many share it .
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a, it just looked so similar to last season! This was an excellent pre-cursor game for what we will face repeadly in L1, a limited but combative team who do the basics, out hussle us and then go on to score relatively easily.
d. We looked both lightweight in midfield and uncreative in formation.
Wigan away - Reading this thread I seem to be a lot less positive (note, not negative) than others.
I thought it was largely a god-awful, nondescript game with a complete absence of creativity or quality on display. It was only the left winger who come on 2nd half for Wigan that seemed to add anything in that regard and generally I felt if anyone would Nick a goal they’d be more likely.
Fortunately there was a defensive error that led to our goal. Jones produced a fantastic finish you wouldn’t expect from a centre half. One moment effectively dictated the game and had that mistake and strike been at the other end the consensus on here on the performance would have been completely different and the performance marks halved.
Thankfully, it wasn’t though. Three points is ultimately all that matters and we got them. We have to get out of this league, the football is awful. I don’t know whether it’s playing in half empty stadiums that doesn’t help but I watched some of Blackburn v Derby and the gulf to the quality of football, pace of game to the Championship now seems huge.
We seem a bit more workmanlike in the press and a bit more defensively organised, but I’ve seen too many other positives from nearly 300 mins of football tbh. We seem to have a big squad with a lot of averageness. No idea where a decent goals return will come from if Leaburn doesn’t come back soon and come back good.
Reading away - morning after the night before and still disappointed. A real back down to earth with a bump after the Bolton performance.
I suppose the disappointing thing is before yesterday we thought with this current team that we will not make many chances but we will work bloody hard and out battle most. Yesterday we were second best all over the park, not only did Reading outplay us they were sharper in all areas. Wasn’t expecting that.
2nd half we looked sharper, and threatening to be one of those classic away steal games, but when we got in final third areas we just didn’t have any conviction. Once they scored the result felt inevitable.
If it looked like the squad actually had a plan that they were trying to follow but not working out that's one thing but aside from a very few they seem to be going through the motions.
This is Jones problem, he only has one gear and one mode of communication which is this hyper passionate, almost deranged approach. It might work to give a kick up the arse at first but it seems to have gotten pretty old to the players just as much as the fans.
The grey kit is far better than the yellow one we’ve been wearing lately.
here is just 1, after Shrews away when we were I think in 2nd place. And I take no satisfaction in being proved right at all, quite the opposite - however, I am thoroughly tired of the position we find ourselves in as a club and it really, really grates on me to see people so consistently and repeatedly burying their heads in the sand about owners, managers and players and therefore tacitly endorsing their respective utter incompetence.
Great result and 13 from 6 is excellent.
pray it keeps going and we can stay up there but I really strongly feel we are going to have to start playing well at some point if we want to do anything this season.
Shows how that in pro football, there is a very fine hairline between employment and the dole. One win and probably keeping his job does not mean that Jones N is now a terrific manager, he plainly is not
The owners will probably disappear before Jones does.
However I asked Chat GPT in general what she thinks about Charlton's problems:
If neither the manager change nor the loss of key players fully explains their struggles, it might indicate deeper, systemic issues at Charlton Athletic. The club has a history of underperforming despite having solid budgets, which suggests potential issues with overall club management or long-term strategy.
The key for Charlton Athletic, and similar teams, really lies in building a long-term strategy with better recruitment, ensuring managerial stability, and fostering strong team cohesion. That way, they can avoid the ups and downs caused by frequent changes and player losses.
Charlton Athletic has been experiencing difficulties in recent seasons, and it seems like several factors are contributing to their challenges. The departure of key players like Alfie May and George Dobson had a notable impact on the team's performance. These players were influential in previous campaigns, so their absence left gaps that the team struggled to fill.
'Your club needs to spend some f*****g money'
I think he’ll stay because of this very point.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98415/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-leyton-orient-saturday-17th-august-2024-ko-12-30/p1
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Loss of 3 quality players, Coventry is nearly as good as Dobson but definitely not better. Replacements for May and CBT...nah.
Lack of passing quality/lack of movement/shortage of any sort of skill/lack of pace (TC aside). Hopefully Leaburn will save us , god help us if he is sold in January.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Maybe everyone was just really up for it that day. Maybe Birmingham set up in a way that made them particularly susceptible. Maybe it was just a fluke.
Since then we have not had the results, OR the performances.
In regards to the performances, there were definitely people unhappy about the style and getting some forum stick for it.
I said straight away that is isn't pretty to watch and it's going to be a long old season if we don't win, which so far, has held true. There were definitely a fair few others with the same mindset.
I know Golfie comes across negative, but he was right in highlighting our goal threat early doors, but he was met with undermining comments and people essentially saying that a wins a win.
It's always been a concern how there's been a lack of goal threat this season.
The three standout performances this season were Birmingham, Bolton and Stockport. Those were the performances that should have been the standard, we also had a good spell against Rotherham. Other than that, it's been very difficult to get behind.
I can say with full confidence we have been dire away from home and some of our home results like Orient and Wrexham were difficult to watch
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.