That’s a weird lineup. Normal formation with Tyreece “allergic to defense” Campbell as a central midfielder? 433 with Edwards playing left mid?. No holdup center forward when our game has primarily been long ball focused recently?
Didn't take long for the barmy line up to come out. Supposedly we have 2 players for every position but play TC in another position he is not suited for. He is at least more a striker than a midfielder...and Ahadme has a fractured nose eh ? Convenient.
Square pegs in rounds holes strikes again. Must get me one of these UEFA coaching badges as they seem 2 a penny.
Slight change of shape then. Anderson and Coventry holding with TC as a 10. Have to feel for Taylor there
If that is the shape then Anderson won't be holding. He'll be shuttling between the two midfielders and covering as much ground as possible. Anderson couldn't be a more different player to Taylor and that role couldn't be less suited to Taylor.
I’m seeing it as a double pivot a bit like Liverpool play
I have to admit I'm very biased against double pivots (so was Johann Cruyff!) as it is but I'm particularly against double pivots being used at League One level in teams where there's big gaps between the lines and transitional play is slower and less technical. Liverpool play a 433 and they do employ a high press like us, but they use their full backs extremely high with wingers ahead of them. They have two banks of width and leave only two defenders at home, with two extremely mobile deeper midfielders. All of the players in that middle three can play as 10s just as easily as they can play deeper and they all have a range of passing and technical ability to rotate if needed. The usual fears about the deeper midfielders blocking each other generally aren't there because Liverpool leave their wingers and their attacking midfielder so high that they always have an outball forward or wide to their advanced full back. Shape-wise they're more of a 2-4-1-3 when they're on the ball and we just can't do that. Put in a double pivot with Coventry and Taylor in our team and you'll have two very deep midfielders getting in each others' way and punting the ball up to either the one advanced wingback or the striker and seeing it come back while the third midfielder chases round after nothing all game. Maybe if we had incredibly mobile and dangerous holding midfielders it could work but Coventry and Taylor want to stand in the exact same spot and so the same job, it would not be a fun day out.
Didn't take long for the barmy line up to come out. Supposedly we have 2 players for every position but play TC in another position he is not suited for. He is at least more a striker than a midfielder...and Ahadme has a fractured nose eh ? Convenient.
Square pegs in rounds holes strikes again. Must get me one of these UEFA coaching badges as they seem 2 a penny.
guess work as usual. not having a big moan at NJ but those coaching badges are worth less than the paper they're written on. and the joke is they're bloody expensive to acquire. best thing is to get them (because you have to) and then just ignore all that they taught you.
The CL hive mind can't complain about those changes - Docherty, Berry and Ahadme come out of the starting XI, as does Gillesphey, who is often pointed to as the weakest link at the back.
Deffo looks like a tactical change
Maybe it won't be the slugging borefest we all seemed to expect
Didn't take long for the barmy line up to come out. Supposedly we have 2 players for every position but play TC in another position he is not suited for. He is at least more a striker than a midfielder...and Ahadme has a fractured nose eh ? Convenient.
Square pegs in rounds holes strikes again. Must get me one of these UEFA coaching badges as they seem 2 a penny.
Out of interest, are you saying that the club are lying about Ahadme fracturing his nose or are you saying that someone deliberately fractured his nose to create an excuse for dropping him? Or do you just genuinely think it's convenient that the bloke fractured his nose?
Hope to see Edwards and Ramsey able to bomb on with the confidence that Mitchell Jones and Potts can be secure behind them. Both are able to use their physicality well. I am not sure how or whether the Edwards long throw will be employed. Going to be an interesting watch, even if the football is dreary once again, for me there is interest in seeing if this pick can work out, or give us more knowledge about what might work in the future.
We are paying the price for a combination of not having another 10, or actual wingers at the club, especially if NJ's plan B is 433 or 343.
Leaburn has played as a Winger before, and Dixon is a winger, but it's not enough if it's a serious game plan of ours.
I think, given we've only lost twice this season and kept 4 clean sheets already, Jones has done a bit too much chopping and changing when it's not necessary.
We are paying the price for a combination of not having another 10, or actual wingers at the club, especially if NJ's plan B is 433 or 343.
Leaburn has played as a Winger before, and Dixon is a winger, but it's not enough if it's a serious game plan of ours.
I think, given we've only lost twice this season and kept 4 clean sheets already, Jones has done a bit too much chopping and changing when it's not necessary.
Think that’ll be more a 343 with Kanu starting from out wider. Good to see Edwards back. Thought we might go back to the back 3 that has been playing so well so interested to see how Potts does. Gillesphey has been the weak link, albeit he’s been better than last season, and his distribution from the back is frustrating.
The midfield needed a shake up. Not convinced Anderson is the solution to our lack of quality in possession but you know you’ll get lots of energy and aggression. I do wonder if this formation might not have been the opportunity to try Taylor with Coventry.
Glad to see TC starting, he’s been lively all season and looks our most creative outlet at the moment. There’s no natural target man and they have that Piergianni (sp?) bloke so got to keep it on the deck more today - hopefully we can do that and Godden and Kanu should offer decent movement and positional instincts in the box to give TC something to aim at.
Coventry might be the key today. If he can get in the ball and start dictating a bit it could be good. If we’re getting closed down well and have to resort to long balls we may not see much possession.
Slight change of shape then. Anderson and Coventry holding with TC as a 10. Have to feel for Taylor there
If that is the shape then Anderson won't be holding. He'll be shuttling between the two midfielders and covering as much ground as possible. Anderson couldn't be a more different player to Taylor and that role couldn't be less suited to Taylor.
I’m seeing it as a double pivot a bit like Liverpool play
I have to admit I'm very biased against double pivots (so was Johann Cruyff!) as it is but I'm particularly against double pivots being used at League One level in teams where there's big gaps between the lines and transitional play is slower and less technical. Liverpool play a 433 and they do employ a high press like us, but they use their full backs extremely high with wingers ahead of them. They have two banks of width and leave only two defenders at home, with two extremely mobile deeper midfielders. All of the players in that middle three can play as 10s just as easily as they can play deeper and they all have a range of passing and technical ability to rotate if needed. The usual fears about the deeper midfielders blocking each other generally aren't there because Liverpool leave their wingers and their attacking midfielder so high that they always have an outball forward or wide to their advanced full back. Shape-wise they're more of a 2-4-1-3 when they're on the ball and we just can't do that. Put in a double pivot with Coventry and Taylor in our team and you'll have two very deep midfielders getting in each others' way and punting the ball up to either the one advanced wingback or the striker and seeing it come back while the third midfielder chases round after nothing all game. Maybe if we had incredibly mobile and dangerous holding midfielders it could work but Coventry and Taylor want to stand in the exact same spot and so the same job, it would not be a fun day out.
Anyone trying to justify the line up by saying Liverpool use a pivot or double pivot (wtf does that all mean) is losing the plot.
We could play with 8 defenders if we had Erling Haarland up front ffs !!
Trying to find the right combination. Not unhappy with the line up but would I think Docherty and Allan Campbell on the bench is maybe a little two similar, so for me perhaps Leaburn or Dixon but Jones see's his players on the training ground and would call their readiness better than me, lets hope it all gels.
We have 5 defenders and 1 wide midfielder playing, jones doesn’t play a flat 4-4-2 and a 4-4-2 diamond makes even less sense that a flat 4-4-2 with the team we have picked.
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Square pegs in rounds holes strikes again. Must get me one of these UEFA coaching badges as they seem 2 a penny.
It is strange but after the last game, sounded like we need to change it up.
Deffo looks like a tactical change
Maybe it won't be the slugging borefest we all seemed to expect
Going to be an interesting watch, even if the football is dreary once again, for me there is interest in seeing if this pick can work out, or give us more knowledge about what might work in the future.
Taylor hasn't really got that in his locker.
Anyway, you may yet find Campbell as a wide forward in a 3-4-3.
That's not Taylor either.
NJ obviously feels letdown by some senior pros. Having a go at him for changing it up seems a bit of a cheap shot.
Leaburn has played as a Winger before, and Dixon is a winger, but it's not enough if it's a serious game plan of ours.
I think, given we've only lost twice this season and kept 4 clean sheets already, Jones has done a bit too much chopping and changing when it's not necessary.
I would have gone
Mannion
Mitchell Jones Gillesphey
Ramsay Coventry Docherty Edwards
Berry
Godden Kanu
Personally
The midfield needed a shake up. Not convinced Anderson is the solution to our lack of quality in possession but you know you’ll get lots of energy and aggression. I do wonder if this formation might not have been the opportunity to try Taylor with Coventry.
Glad to see TC starting, he’s been lively all season and looks our most creative outlet at the moment. There’s no natural target man and they have that Piergianni (sp?) bloke so got to keep it on the deck more today - hopefully we can do that and Godden and Kanu should offer decent movement and positional instincts in the box to give TC something to aim at.
Coventry might be the key today. If he can get in the ball and start dictating a bit it could be good. If we’re getting closed down well and have to resort to long balls we may not see much possession.
We could play with 8 defenders if we had Erling Haarland up front ffs !!