Listening to the Not The Top 20 Podcast in the car this morning. Ali Maxwell described our football as 'Suffer Ball' think its quite an apt description!
On the Charlton TV coverage there were problems with the sound. But not when it cut out obviously a signal problem but Tel’s commentary seemed ever so slightly ahead of play. Did anyone in Tenerife or other parts of the world notice it? It annoyed me so much that I switched over to Sky.
Same for me. Steve Brown was annoying. When Terry Smith stopped and the woman started it was better.
Listening to the Not The Top 20 Podcast in the car this morning. Ali Maxwell described our football as 'Suffer Ball' think its quite an apt description!
Ali Maxwell could describe our football as ‘points gaining’.
Let's be fair. It's both. We gain points by pure attrition and percentage football, there won't be high scoring free flowing games but it gets results.
On the Charlton TV coverage there were problems with the sound. But not when it cut out obviously a signal problem but Tel’s commentary seemed ever so slightly ahead of play. Did anyone in Tenerife or other parts of the world notice it? It annoyed me so much that I switched over to Sky.
Same for me. Steve Brown was annoying. When Terry Smith stopped and the woman started it was better.
I had the same issue after the sound cut out the first time.
Steve Brown will needs to commentating on what he ‘thinks’ should have happened during a passage of play, and analyse what actually happened and why it happened.
Listening to the Not The Top 20 Podcast in the car this morning. Ali Maxwell described our football as 'Suffer Ball' think it’s quite an apt description!
As long as the opponents are the ones suffering :-)
Listening to the Not The Top 20 Podcast in the car this morning. Ali Maxwell described our football as 'Suffer Ball' think it’s quite an apt description!
As long as the opponents are the ones suffering :-)
That's the beauty of it. Everyone suffers! Long may it continue if we pick up 2.1 points per game!
I thought the game was quite different from our league games. We were less defensive, had more possession and more shots than any of our league games this season. Given it was against a bottom club I am hoping that Nathan will encourage us to go after the weaker teams and not just wait for mistakes (ours or theirs)
I've never really liked the whole modern idea of suffer ball and the other names given to effective football that isn't beautiful. Aside from the fact you have to do what works to get to where you need to be, which in the present day is financial viability without cash injections from wealthy benefactors, I've never really seen football as 'entertainment' in any real sense beyond how the outcomes shape the stories. Sure, it's nice for your team to play scintillating fast football but the real thing I care about is the other stuff; getting three points and waking up on a Sunday remembering that it was a good football week, beating a team you don't like for obscure reasons (steward there was rude to you once, there's a player who three clubs ago kicked an academy product who was playing in a different league at the time). I'll watch any football, I love it, but if I watch Brentford v Wolves the only actual entertainment there comes from the way it shakes out, thinking about who might be a relegation risk, who could sneak into Europe, who taking points off someone else might benefit. The real in-game excitement will be if there's cards or controversy and that's not related to the quality of football on show.
When I think of my favourite Charlton games in successful seasons I don't remember the games where we were unplayable machines passing teams off the pitch and banging goals in. For 11/12 I think of the miserable consecutive 1-0s against the Sheffield teams won through Jackson free kicks and general spoiling. I think of the 1-0 away at Bournemouth where we scored in injury time, the 1-0 at Oldham where everyone got sent off, the 3-2 at Yeovil on Boxing Day and the Carlisle 1-0 where we got promoted. We were rubbish from a footballing perspective in all of those games but they were significant for what they meant in the wider context. The season after that I remember the SISS 5-4 against Cardiff which was basically an incompetence-off. 18/19 I remember suffering through the play-off games and last season the only games where I could really say I felt much of anything were the 2-1 at Derby and the 3-1 at Cheltenham. No good football on display but the context made them matter. The only style of football that matters is the one that's effective, the best I've seen us play since the Premier League days was the first half against Forest in 19/20 and we ended that game with a 1-1 draw and got relegated at the end of the season. I was less happy at the end of that game after watching beautiful flowing football than I was at the end of the stupid Bristol Motors game the other day, because we won and I like it when my team does that.
Fuck your suffer ball, we play football and we play it to win games, not admirers.
There is a balance, I can see why some people prefer more "exciting" football but passing and "fancy" football is often actually quite tedious if there is no end product - Garner fell into this trap a bit, it was style over substance quite a lot.
Similarly its possible to play Jones' style in an exciting way, it's basically what Klopp did at Liverpool but obviously to a much higher standard.
Comparing what Jones is doing to the likes of Appleton is doing him a real disservice. It's a deliberate plan, you don't have to like it but it does work.
There is a balance, I can see why some people prefer more "exciting" football but passing and "fancy" football is often actually quite tedious if there is no end product - Garner fell into this trap a bit, it was style over substance quite a lot.
Similarly its possible to play Jones' style in an exciting way, it's basically what Klopp did at Liverpool but obviously to a much higher standard.
Comparing what Jones is doing to the likes of Appleton is doing him a real disservice. It's a deliberate plan, you don't have to like it but it does work.
And how we played on Tuesday was more exciting than our league performances. Less hoofing up the middle, hoping to win a knock down.
Cambridge didn't press us and invited us to play. I don't think we'll go long against teams that sit back like that. But it's clear from the way Jones has set us up that he doesn't want us losing the ball in dangerous positions, so against any kind of press we'll hit the channels and we're not gonna try to play through it.
There is a balance, I can see why some people prefer more "exciting" football but passing and "fancy" football is often actually quite tedious if there is no end product - Garner fell into this trap a bit, it was style over substance quite a lot.
Similarly its possible to play Jones' style in an exciting way, it's basically what Klopp did at Liverpool but obviously to a much higher standard.
Comparing what Jones is doing to the likes of Appleton is doing him a real disservice. It's a deliberate plan, you don't have to like it but it does work.
And how we played on Tuesday was more exciting than our league performances. Less hoofing up the middle, hoping to win a knock down.
Yep, it’s having a balance. The successful Charlton teams I’ve seen play a mixture of short passing and direct football, press the opposition and aren’t easily out worked and out muscled.
Powell used long balls to Yann a lot. Bowyer’s team played the prettier football but would still go direct and not over do playing out from the back. He had players who were very comfortable on the ball like Bielik, Cullen and Aribo to play through in midfield which Powell didn’t always have and neither does Jones have now.
I’m waiting for Zach Mitchell in our first team. A centre back who has the courage & technique to bring the ball out of defense with confidence & pace. That opens up multiple passing opportunities & stretches the game.
On Tuesday I posted he was our most effective midfielder, ok there’s no guarantee he could translate that into the first team but I’m following his career with interest.
Listening to the Not The Top 20 Podcast in the car this morning. Ali Maxwell described our football as 'Suffer Ball' think it’s quite an apt description!
As long as the opponents are the ones suffering :-)
That's the beauty of it. Everyone suffers! Long may it continue if we pick up 2.1 points per game!
Listened to the podcast myself. He called it suffer ball but also said he’s backing us to win so he knows it’s effective..!
If we wake up on Sunday with 16 points I don’t particularly care how we do it.
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Steve Brown was annoying.
When Terry Smith stopped and the woman started it was better.
Steve Brown will needs to commentating on what he ‘thinks’ should have happened during a passage of play, and analyse what actually happened and why it happened.
Similarly its possible to play Jones' style in an exciting way, it's basically what Klopp did at Liverpool but obviously to a much higher standard.
Comparing what Jones is doing to the likes of Appleton is doing him a real disservice. It's a deliberate plan, you don't have to like it but it does work.
Powell used long balls to Yann a lot. Bowyer’s team played the prettier football but would still go direct and not over do playing out from the back. He had players who were very comfortable on the ball like Bielik, Cullen and Aribo to play through in midfield which Powell didn’t always have and neither does Jones have now.